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It might not be so easy to notice but, italics is what he wrote... and normal is mine. Shoulda used bold for his instead. Oh well.

At 3/13/03 09:02 PM, OlenWhitaker wrote:

If your actual question was, "Why should God care if I believe in Him?" then you did not make that clear. You said, "I don't know if there's a God or not, and I don't care to find out." You also said, "...knowing if he's there doesn't effect what happens to us anyway." I made my reply based on your 'who cares?' attitude.

Sorry I never made it clear enough.

If you wish to dogmatically reject the very idea that God might be relevant to your life, without even giving the matter serious consideration, then you are just as blind as the religious zealots that you so loudly denounce.

I gave the matter serious consideration. There was a reason why I said "I don't care"... and that was specifically because God has no reason to care whether or not I pray and acknowledge his dominance. He's not a flawed human who needs praise is he?

I don't care what you believe, but find a good reason for it. Don't just say, "It doesn't matter," and ignore it altogether. Make a reasonable, open minded inquiry and then decide.

M-hm. I gave it consideration, and that's in the fact that preaching religion, and the boundaries it creates between countries and different religions and groups is only creating death. I don't just say "I don't care" for no reason.

And what you said about "you have nothing to lose in searching, and everything to gain"... I'll say this.
What I have to lose is the waste of time in following a path of devotion in saying the rosary everyday or whatever other ritual it might be.

I FORGIVE YOU BEAVER!!!!
As long as you're learning not to over-react on what some people shout out for jokes or if they're just stupid.... then I am happy =P...
Woo!

You missed the big point of "Why should it matter to him if I think he exists or not"... Try and answer that and we'll see what happens next.

Buuut... Why should God care if I acknowledge his existence or not? He's a big boy, he doesn't need it. All that should matter to him is whether or not I am a good person.

That's the problem with religion. Their Gods MUST have recognition, or the MUST have you pray to them in a special way. That's an impossible thing for a God to ask because depending on where you're born, certain religions just won't reach you. And if people of those religions try to push that knowledge on in forms of crusades or missionaries, you end up with religious clashes and death.

Basically religion is just a big battlefield and I don't want to throw myself in the line of fire. It should be enough for whoever is the ruler if I just do a good job =P

Jesus. That's a big post O.o (Bad Pun)

At 3/13/03 04:34 PM, OlenWhitaker wrote: I must also agree that religion and politics should not overlap. .... If you can't make a good argument for something without bringing God into it, it's probably a bad idea.

For the record, I do believe in God, even though I don't adhere to any organized religion.

I don't know if there's a God or not, and I don't care to find out. If you read my last post you'll know why, because knowing if he's there doesn't effect what happens to us anyway.

I belong to no religion. I simply set my own boundaries on what I think is right, and treat people in ways that I would think is fair if I was in that situation. Always looking for the common good and such.

Now for a little rant on religion itself

I think it was Ghandi who once said that there is only one true religion, yet since all humans grow up in different areas and recieve different influences, it becomes fractured and that's why we have many religions. That's why you can see a common message among many religions.

If you look at many of the largest religions you often see then containing that familiar message of "treat others how you'd like to be treated". As simple as it sounds, simple answers are the ones we need more of. Complicated responses only lead to misinterpretation (and more crazy cults >_<).

The problem with the world today is that people are seperated BY religion. Some say don't take part in other's religious events (which causes segregation between you and potential friends. People won't like it if you respond with 'Christmas is evil, Jesus wasn't born then and he's a false prophet'... they just want to have some holiday fun.) Religion now is setting people apart with big boundaries, and causing alot of fighting. That's why I don't identify myself as a Christian or a Muslim... I am just a human. I am myself.

People take those tales a bit too seriously when you have massive wars going on just because some countries want to own certain pieces of holy-ground. That's a problem with mixing religion and politics.

Not only is there no need for mixing religion with politics, there is no need for religion at all. We just need to treat eachother right. Make just living with good actions a religion then if you must.If we just obeyed that basic rule we'd be alright. But we've got to see everyone as humans.

( P.S. I don't know if any of this has been said before, since I never read ALL the posts so I apologize if there's any overlap ^_^; )

( P.P.S I am not saying I want to get rid of all religious holidays and events. Partying and fun stuff is good.. keep it for tradition's sake. Just make sure you don't exclude anyone or do anyone harm. )

At 3/13/03 04:42 PM, Veggiemeal wrote: well, if god exists he's an asshole. And the politics are full of assholes so i think religion and politics mix perfectly.

Heh. Well I think there's a few possibilities, although it doesn't matter which is right.

1) He's there but this is all just some divine test
2) He's not there and we're all just part of one big reincarnating lifestream
3) He's not there, we're on our own, there's nothing that binds us and death is the end.

But as I said, it doesn't matter which of those we believe. All that matters is our actions and how we treat others. Why is devotion and saying your rosary not important?

Well, if there IS a God... Why the hell would he need our prayers? He's all-powerful, and he knows what is in our hearts, so really there is no point in asking for something when he already knows. And if it's a test, you're on your own anyway.

The only thing religion brings with it is unity, but it seems to bring alot more hate and death nowadays than bringing us together.

Incubus/Our Lady Peace/Dream Theatre/Tool = yummy...

Reading the first few posts.. I think everyone is getting way too pissy over something stupid. Why should you care what some idiot shouts out? You can't take everything people say to heart.

This is the same reason why it'd be rediculous to ban him for life for it. People make mistakes. Maybe he was drinking, on something, or just had a bit too much sugar coated cereal. That radiates "it's a joke" to me. Not something someone deserves to be banned for life for.

Whatever happened to freedom of speech? I believe our society gets too emotional and goes nuts with censorship. If you don't like what someone is saying, you have the right to say something back, ignore it, or punch 'em in the face (If it was very provoked violence you can get away with it =P).

Point is, don't start a topic on a simple one liner coment, and negro literally means "black" in another language. Maybe he's spanish. Lol. ^_^