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At 3/19/03 12:57 AM, NJDeadzone wrote: Deism is the believe that God created the universe and left it alone to do its thing. What makes it so much fun is that it accounts for everything and doesn't favor a certain people. Things just happen.
A simple analogy would be that God's playing SimUniverse and built the minimal requirements and is just putting it on the highest speed of growth and left the computer screen. That reasoning works for me, and i've been closer to him ever since

halo floats over my head::

>< relgion is the opium of the masses-Karl Marx

Lol,if that were the reason it would make sense. It totally destroys that Christiany "God loves everyone" view since he 'walked off'.

That's kind of a strange concept. Because then he's like an invisible person that shapes worlds and runs off @_@. I honestly don't know what of the things I said that I truly believe though. Its not that important to me though, eitherway I'll be living my life the same way.

Do more good than bad. It's silly if we have to be a certain religion to be saved from hell or whatever. It's just not something that matters and effects what we do. If you ever ask me what religion I am from, I'll reply none, or my own religion. *shrug* The religion of humanity. =P

But if that eastern meditation/enlightenment thing is the answer... Ooops. I doubt with my current personality would be able to live such lives anyway. If they're right, I'll just finish the job in another lifetime, one where I am actually born there. Eitherway, still livin' the same way.

Well, I still THINK I should be living that way. I really am not as good as my words. A hypocrite yeah, but few truely stick to their beliefs.

Oops. Someone already answered that. Oh well, my apologies to everyone before I get flamed. Anyway, gonna sleep now. Have a nice night (or day, depending on location =P)!

At 3/18/03 11:11 PM, Judge_DREDD wrote: "Of all the world's elite fighting forces, none have commanded greater respect or generated such an image of mystery as that composed of volunteers of any nationality, creed, or race - a crack squad of international police - one of the oldest and most world renown and widely feared fighting outfits; The French Foreign Legion."

Foreign Legion. French people cannot even enlist. So that doesn't count. Lol =P

I am not saying I disagree with France's decision to stay out of the war or anything, JUST talking about this.

At 3/19/03 12:39 AM, karasz wrote: oh i say that but i dont mean it... like if someone truly doesnt understand something then yes i will help them out anyway i can...

M-hm. I just ignore those bums =P. And hey, I am not attacking you, I know you're not even a hundreth as arrogant as some others are. You never said it like you really meant it, just talkin'.

At 3/19/03 12:32 AM, NJDeadzone wrote: i have to admit, he has A+ speech writers

Yep, great for swaying the public.

At 3/19/03 12:22 AM, karasz wrote: ok... i think it may have been me that said i consider myself elite... and i do feel that way, based on the fact that the majority of the 18-25 year old population is stupid... i also consider most people on this forum in that age group part of the elite because they also know what is going on...

second, the council would have no power unless one of them were a mod... right, i mean what else could someone that is only allowed to post do?

Hey, even if most people are stupid, no need to antagonize them and point it out =P. Just try and help people out.
Anyone saying everyone sucks and you rock helps no one.

What would they do without power you ask? Flame the people with "STFU"? Lol

You know, I really shouldn't have bumped this crappy topic up by accident. Duels are lame. Do them outside the boards, we don't need to see fools playing a game of trying to be the most-arrogant-assholey-elitist. One is enough. Leave him be =P

At 3/16/03 09:28 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: Really, "Slim Shady" is only popular because of his whole "wigger" style that is so popular with a number of today's white male teens.
It's moronic, they dress, act, talk, eat, sleep, listen, watch, EVERYTHING as if they were black, when they're all WASPs.

*cries* It's beautiful to read this kind of thing. It's such a big sack of false-ego bullshit. Makes me puke and their music sucks donkey ba-....spheres. Horrible repetitive 'music', and half the time it's just talking, which makes it a crime to call it music at all.

The themes, morals, messages... all total garbage.

At 3/19/03 12:18 AM, Ruination wrote:

Group hug, everyone!

Woo! *hug*

Errr.. I forgot I was going to write this too, so sorry, mind wandering. I'll view your profile to reward you for your mass-postingness. lol

At 3/18/03 11:41 PM, NJDeadzone wrote:

:Well, it doesn't matter what he wrote...

... Man, you're dominating the board right now. So many posts with your name on it. Woot for free time huh? =P

At 3/18/03 11:44 PM, panik wrote: uh how did I shoot my self in the foot?

*cough cough* Cheap topic bumping there. Does it matter that he didn't make sense on some pointless remark? Oh well, I don't care, do what you like. I just feel like writing stuff.

At 3/18/03 11:38 PM, NJDeadzone wrote:

Makes sense. It's not like their help really would matter would it? Iraq was swiftly defeated before, and I am assuming this attack will either work really "well" easily (look at last time), or go horribly wrong (nukes, chem weapons).

I don't hate them for it. Do what they want. *shrug* It IS in their best interest not to help, and you can't blame ANYONE for looking out for themselves, because that's what everyone does. The common good is so hard to achieve, and so hard to feel immediate in-this-life-time effects from unless everyone does it, which is too much to ask.

If war was horribly out of favor for US like it is Russia, would this war still be happening?

At 3/18/03 10:29 PM, DenkSmoker wrote: Seriously, it would save everybody a lot of trouble if this were handled internally. There would be no need for a war and Iraq would hold onto its soveriegnty.

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I know I haven't walked in their shoes, but it's just not the U.S.'s responsibility to rescue people from bad leadership - otherwise we'd be at war with half the countries in the world.

EXACTLY!... That's how I live my life. I ignore the problems of the world around me and just play my music, mess around with my video games, and occasionaly spout out some ideas and ideals =P

I lay myself down and become a tool of the system. To hell if they're corrupt, there's no way anyone can change the way the world works and its revolution around greed.

I preach this! Procrastinate! Do nothing! Lets all just enjoy ourselves before death comes around and takes its toll.

I've said this before, you'll go insane if you worry about everyone's problems and the world as a whole. We're just too messed up!

At 3/18/03 10:44 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

then who'd be digging up the diamonds we'd be putting on wedding rings?

I could do it... I mean my.... ROBOTS!!!!! ^_^....

At 3/18/03 10:31 PM, Judge_DREDD wrote: ..woah, Lofty Ambitions!!

and i thought we were he just to save the secret services the effort of trolling our hard-drives in order to psycho-analyse the potential anachy in us :(

LOL. Well, some are doing it for that reason.

Hey.. that's a verryyy shiny signature pic you've got there. So big. So green. So mind-warping... Oooo @_@... You make it?

At 3/18/03 10:33 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: I'd just like to take a moment to say that a lot of people (not you specifically) put the word 'rhetoric' into their topics to make them sound intelligent. I really have nothing productive to say *points to PC badge* but that doesn't matter.

Uhhhh, we appreciate your random bashing of those people. Thank you, sorta... well, no not really =P...

Here's something many of you may think is a bit basic, but sometimes it's better to give a simpler one. Less confusion means lower chance of things being taken the wrong way. Anyway.

I highly doubt there's any 'purpose' for human beings or the universe. And if there was, he would have to be far from perfect. Why?

Well, lets say you were God. Lets also assume that you were an omniscient being. You could hear everyone's thoughts, you could feel everything, because you were everything. You know all that is going to happen, and has happened because you are outside of the space-time continuum.

Why the hell would you create the universe? If you know what's going to happen, why bother? If there's a purpose, and we reach it, then what? The plan must be infinite, but then it would have no goal, so then it wouldn't be a plan at all.

Sure you can take the easy way out and say "he thinks in mysterious ways", but that's just silly. This is all why I doubt 'his' existance as an actual sentient entity.
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How was the universe created? What was it's trigger? Chicken or the Egg? I have no idea, but I doubt there's an almighty 'plan'.

Another thing you can use to doubt God's infinite power is that mistake he made with Moses, and how he promised not to interfere with life again. Many use that as a reason for him giving us total freedom, yet it is also a symbol of his incompetence and imperfectness, if he even exists.

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Many claim to be inspired by God to perform various actions. Presidents, Hitler, Saints.. they all claim heavenly divination. Why does this God interfere and give messages to the few, when he could intefere and just send messages to the many? Why not give concrete proof?

Some say we need to be taught a lesson, and that's the plan. For the soul to reach purity and get into 'heaven', but when did our individual entities first exist? Created by God? But why would he do something like that if he already knows the result? Why break up the infinite?
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Those questions spark the idea of maybe just existance being one... and it willed itself into physical manifestation. We think we are one, but like a single drop of water that break apart from the ocean when it hits a rock, it quickly returns to that ocean and you cannot identify it from the rest.

So, to sum it all up, there might be no God (in the popular Westerny term of the word), or Self, no Plan. Just existance.
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It's mind-boggling to think about it. The answers to these kinds of questions will go on for infinite. I have given many questions and few answers for those reasons....

I apologize for stretching it all on for so long too, it'll be hard to analyze it all at once so, just read it all and take a piece you like. Respond to that.

Bit choppy too, hope you guys can make some sense out of my late-night brain-splurge =P

Enjoy.

At 3/18/03 06:14 PM, DenkSmoker wrote: France, Russia, and Germany don't want the war because the U.S. is greedily jumping the gun in the colonialization of the Middle East. They watch the U.S. put a puppet government in Afghanistan and be about to do the same in Iraq, and they are upset as their piece of the pie slips away.

Heh. Yeah, we've seen alot of problems with US attacking countries in the past for their own benefit. Saddam needs to be removed yes, but it's hard to let anyone do it, because whoever does is probably going to try and nab some power and oil while they're there anyway.

If only Saddam could just be shot by one of his people RIGHT NOW, or get hit by lightning, or spontaneusly combust, or tornado, or earthquake... C'mon God, if you're out there, do something now you lazy bizatch!... Oh that's right, you gave us the free will to f*** ourselves up the a** and turn this world into a total sh*thole ^_^....

At 3/18/03 04:34 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: You know, the UK report in Iraqi atrocities has been very overlooked...

See men shredded, then say you don't back war

Oooohh is there color pics O.o?... *checks*... Aww.. none.

Err, seriously though, that's pretty sick stuff in that article. It does embolden my thought that yeah Saddam needs to be removed =P.

During the Osama thing, yeah I guess there's no stopping them from rushing into Afghanistan. When the Iraq stuff came up I was really suspicious at first. Some reasons were oil, America's history of lying about events in Iraq to secure support during the last war (supposed satelite pictures speaking of armies, which using commercial satelites later that was shown to be false, dead babies). That and the false care Bush seemed to show for the Iraqi people ( yet they've had sanctions which killed millions of Iraqis every year, fueling reasons for hate. It wouldn't have much effect on Saddam or the military since they can hoard and abuse the people, taking more for themselves if they wanted anyway ).

I've been hearing alot about his evil deeds though so, I know he has to be taken out, yet I'll still have my suspicions on exactly how the US is going to carry it all out.

Well, whatever happens happens. We'll just see, but nothing is going to stop this world from destruction. Abuse of the middle&lower class by big buisiness and greed are unstoppable entities in today's world. War will never end, and only intensify as technology increases. Differences in opinion and belief and the desire to push them upon others increase as newer creations bring in newer issues, these topics often spawn more violence.

Basically no matter what we do, existance here overall is going to be hell if you look at it from a wide perspective. To live is to suffer. To have attachments to things in this realm and to be human is to feel pain.

The best you can do for your own sanity is close your mind and be controlled like they want you to, because is there any way to fight such an unsurpressable evil?

I haven't found any yet.

At 3/18/03 05:05 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 3/18/03 04:56 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote:

This only fuels my paranoia. I fear a secret society ruling the politics forum, deciding who stays , who goes, what can be said, what will be allowed to be posted.

LOL. Secret societies... The New World Order and the Antichrist rise out from, dun dun dun, Newgrounds!

Anyway, I don't think they'll be that oppressive, else they won't last that long. Any opinion is valid as long as it's created from rational thought. All that needs to go is random meaningless comments, and things that don't contribute at all really....

If someone thinks America is being 9/11, they should be able to say so, as long as they've got some reason for it. If that's ALL they say well, they didn't do any defending =P

At 3/18/03 09:23 PM, ichbincow wrote: I have decided that getting into online arguments is a particualr waste of time and in light of the upcoming events which WILL occur no matter how much people may argue for against it.....

It's true that chances are, nothing anyone says in here will ever impact any wars going on now. Anything that is going to happen, seems like it is going to happen no matter what.

But these forums aren't made for stopping war. They are for spreading opinions, gaining information, and improving the clarity of your own outlook on how the world works and the situation of those within it.

Aside from self-improvement and understanding, you never know that maybe something said by someone in here might influence someone who might become a big-time politician, a large buisiness owner, a revolutionary, a suicide bomber, or any variety of things. What you say might not effect now, but it can effect the future ^_^.

So uh, chat on all.

At 3/15/03 10:24 AM, vibes wrote: I think we should focus our attention on killing all ethnicities other than caucacian people.

... Yeah. He's just joking. Ignore or laugh at it. Don't get so pissed off. You're just wasting emotion on something silly =P

At 3/13/03 11:57 PM, Dark_Sk8er_Grrrl wrote:

At 3/13/03 11:53 PM, XVI wrote: I thought Lolapooluza was dead.

lolapooluza will never die. Especially when they have Incubus on the bill.

Woo lolapooluza! Me go too.
*Hurrah for useless input!*

At 3/15/03 03:05 AM, panik wrote: nice response, thanks

Uhh... You're welcome ^_^? *unsure if that's sarcasm or not, it was just an unexpected reply. Thought You'd cut my head off because you never agreed like everyone seemed to be doing before..*
Funky.

I don't plan on writing anything long... just a little bit on what I think. Some of it has been said before, pretty much everything has been said before but it got kinda mangled in a sea of bitter hatred ^_^;.

I just think it's funny that Bush promotes protecting the US, or protecting anything on this world when North Korea openly has more than Iraq. It took them forever to find anything to hold against Iraq, not even sure if they have, just going with what I've picked up.

So, N. Korea poses a big threat, yet we go after small fries we KNOW we can beat. Sure he has weapons, but he hasn't been clearly linked to the 9/11 attacks or anything recent against America. If so, the media would make sure it wasn't a secret since they're sometimes even forced to be Pro-Bush.

So why the hell aren't we after Korea? Or have Osama? It's got to be the oil.

It's dangerous to take on North Korea too though. They've got allies and provoking attack by going in there is a dangerous thing to do. It might be safer not to poke lions with big sharp sticks.... You might call it cowardly but, I just call it common sense.

But, I am young and I can't affect the outcome of this in any way at all. I'll just live on in ignorance, and if the world blows up, so be it. The government will get to do whatever it wants anyway, and the big buisinesses and the rich will always dominate the law and influence politics.

We're going to get stuck, we're going to piss eachother off, and then we'll be all going down in flames. But I won't worry, because there's not a god damn thing I can do. Why waste time and emotion?

(But hey, if there is something.. shout it out. But note that I am selfish like most of the world and you can't expect anything radical. =P)

^_^ I just hope someone reads all this stuff we've said and actually learns something. I'll put some of this stuff on my site sometime =P

And as a buffer to defend myself from possible flameage... No, I am not a terrorist bend on blowing up the world. Just saying that there might be something good behind it if such a thing does happen.

At 3/13/03 10:53 PM, PreacherJ wrote:

:Why can't people just believe in people? To feel the need to do good for the species to propogate? I dunno.

<sniff> That's my dream world. But it'll never happen. I have an idea though... it's kind of scary, but if you try to hold back your urge kill me for it, and keep an open mind you might learn something.

Goal --> To get humanity to look past its greed, which has been it's ultimate downfall.

Yep, Greed as lead to corporate scandals, division between poor and rich, wars for land or resources, power struggles... and pretty much ever single problem man has suffered for. How the hell can we at least fight some of it, and wake up a whole planet of billions of people?

Well one thing that always seems to get people's attention and stir up thoughts is mass-destruction and death. Just look at 9/11. Everyone was talking about how everyone felt a bit more brought together despite the destruction, same goes for Columbine. Some people might have realized it's not such a good idea to tease the hell out of kids during such unstable years.

So what's that have to do with the plan? One thing. Nuclear War. Near-Apocolypse. It's sad if this would be the only way, but it's hard to wake up the world to such an intense degree.

IF this US/North Korea/Iraq thing ends up bringing around the near destruction of the earth, maybe then if we're lucky enough to have a limited and connected population lying around... maybe they would realize the mistakes of the complicated world of before. Maybe they would realize how dangerous greed is on a massive level like it is today.

Although I am pretty sure eventually the people of future generations would forget. Humans are such a flawed species and I doubt perfection could ever be reached. That's a reason why I hope there's something better in some kind of afterlife. That's a reason why I hope this is all just a test.

On the brighter note though.. While the entire world might not be saveable, I've found it better on my sanity to use ignorance. It's easier to just try and do your best where you are, influence and teach who you can, and just try to end your life doing more 'good' than 'bad'.

You can't help the world, but at least you can try to do something about those close to you and involved with your life? If everyone just tried to deal with making things better locally, the entire world could be saved.

It's fun to dream isn't it?

Heh. You aren't that old yourself, so I'd avoid acting all high and mighty. You aren't so all-knowing either, because apparently you can't provide me much insight or information. You just say to keep looking.

Although hey, maybe it's because you're still young too. Lol. No hard feelings over our little discussion alright? And if you ever find out why God needs us to pay tribute to him through prayer or anything, give me a shout.

Although yeah,I don't think you'll ever figure one out. It's one of those unanswerable questions. (Lil recap here) The only good thing about all that devotion stuff is you can get your problems out and be with others (although for my age hanging out with friends in church wouldn't be too stimulating ;)).

I just wouldn't think of prayer and belief as a way to salvation. I am confident in the fact that all it requires is good action towards others.

It's just unfortunate that religion causes the problems it does =/. Everyone is so greedy and stupid. <sigh>