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At 3/9/03 11:38 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: Human shields? Saddam loves those people. One group that moved in to "protect" a school was shocked to discover that an Iraqi army regiment was then billeted in their location. Saddam is counting on us not to shoot at the "human shields".

Just goes to show that "Every noble human deed can be perverted"(Self.. lol).

At 3/19/03 11:47 PM, mysecondstar wrote: i actually hope we capture him and lock him up so he can live, for the rest of his life, with his failure and shame. i think that is far worse than his demise.

Yep. That's an arguement I use for life-imprisonment rather than capital punishment =P. Although some prisons give too much freedoms... heh...

At 3/19/03 11:32 PM, TheShrike wrote: Shall I call you NoName or just Prophet?

Prophet works fine for my ego, I mean, works fine.

:I'm all for designing and discussing utopian societies.

Yay. Me too.

At 3/19/03 11:41 PM, ShadowCenterWall wrote: well posting about it on the forums wont stop shit. it's like, yeah they are all online, right now.

Yeah yeah, well, I gained someone's respect so that's cool. and...

OMG, that cat is almost CRIMINALLY cute! Lol. *tries to pet it* Nuts.

At 3/19/03 10:00 PM, Dark_Sk8er_Grrrl wrote: Happy Birthday!

But meh, it's not THAT bad, my friend was born on September 11th!

LMAO! I can see the problems that could create.

[Guy walks down NY city street as a 9/11 remembrance ceremony goes on. From inside a small home he hears cheering, laughter, and pop-pop noises.]

[Guy] O_O! EVIL! TERRORIST CRACK-HOUSE!

.... Yep, that must be a sucky thing for him.

At 3/19/03 11:35 PM, MyNamesShadow wrote: you can rate reviews now, so just click abusive and move on.

you can also email wade for a more direct approach.

posting here isnt going to stop them.

Oh the purpose isn't to get rid of those abusive reviews already there, most of them have already been taken down anyway! (Woot for the system)

I don't need to contact Wade to delete anything, just the people. But if Wade would do something to spread a message faster than this, then maybe I could try it. Heh. But I am sure he's got better things to do.... That's why I try to handle it alone =P

Oh, and for the reason you stated above, I am kinda waiting for someone to come in here and dispute me. That way a convo-fire can be started and I get some attention at least, lol.

We can only hope. =P

At 3/19/03 10:33 PM, RedSpellCaster wrote:

:Intelligence is ignored most of the time here on the bbs, because the people that make the statements(like your example) will never see this.

Heh, I try to read back on my posts to see what people think (I wouldn't spend all that time trying writing it to just ignore it), and I try to hunt for posts where topic names suggest a well-defended opinion. Usually you'll find it in new/rare ideas...

You can make an assumption off a topic called "dbz sux teh ballz" and "DBZ-Good concept stretched too far". =P

:(they may not like it also, but your goal is to whipe dbz away. why would you take the chance that someone may like it? Because you did not think that is why.).

To sum up everything you said quickly for everyone, if you want something to be forgotten, don't bring attention to it.
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If at least one person learns from this then it's worth it. They might spread it by defending others at other times too. =P

At 3/19/03 11:11 PM, TheShrike wrote: One flaw, and it isn't perfect. It's a bit idealistic, this idea.

When I say it's a "Perfect" democracy, I don't mean it in the sense that it works perfectly, just that it has the potential to be a representation of the entire population's belief, rather than just that of the most popular group's beliefs ((and most people might not agree to ALL of the beliefs of the most popular group. It's just an average, which is imperfect.)).

At 3/19/03 10:36 PM, TheShrike wrote: The system would be exploited almost immeadiately.

Yeah. I think most people know all too well that those kind of technical problems that could be created in the system are almost unavoidable. This, like communism and democracy, is my view of an IDEAL.

IF a hack-proof system was created by honest and good people, it might stand a bit of a chance.

In order for any system to work perfectly, it would require the a constant supply of just and unselfish coordinators.... which is obviously a tall order. That's one of the things that helped doom communism, corrupt leaders.

Greed is the bane of human systems and human action.

*correction* any stuff he's said before.
^ Oops.

At 3/19/03 10:13 PM, NJDeadzone wrote: what is this, sportscenter?! live coverage of a war is being treated like an NBA game...this is just desperation for ratings.

I agree with Deadzone on yet another thing (yay, he posts lots and has some good ideas, brave enough to say what he thinks), Lol. I am not watching the news right now. Bush isn't going to say anything totally new and insightful. It's everything you'd expect him to say and stuff he's aid before.

Watching the live coverage to me is kinda pointless too. Me being so far away and with no friends in that area right now, I don't need to know what buildings are being hit, or where gunfire was first sighted.

Sure some footage would be nice to have just because it's a historical event I guess, not that I'll watch it =P.

Oops. Thought up a bit extra.

A big question though, is what voting topics would come out, and who decides what goes up. Maybe a certain vote topic request would have to be sent in a certain number of times before it becomes offical (depends on population)...

And as a note on another post. Yeah, this is a MASSIVE NUMBER True Democracy. It only works with hugenumbers, because that's the only way all topics could hope to be addressed. With small numbers, a single person being lazy, or a single biased opinion, or a single piece of propoganda can have too much effect.

At 3/19/03 09:42 PM, Taxman2A wrote: Is this democracy such that no true leadership is needed from government? In that there would be no need for a governing body of officials, as the citizens themselves choose everything ?

Yep. There might be a president elected just for the sake of having someone to travel to other countries and be a figurehead though.

Essentially this type of government could open the way for the development of idealogy guilds. People of common belief on a variety of topics might group together and form councils or leaders, and these naturally developed heads would provide insight and information to masses.

You might think that's similar to how it's done already but these groups and 'leaders' can't override the system though. Their only power is what the people give them. Sure it's open to some corruption due to who is able to get their message out the furthest... but at least it's alot more open.

At 3/19/03 09:17 PM, VasIndustries wrote:

:I don't think that your class should determine what you are elligible to vote for, but you were just mentioning that a person's class suggested certain polls I think.

Yeah, exactly. No one is blocked out of any type of vote... it's just certain people would have a tendency to care about certain topics. There's too many topics for everyone to care about everything. You'd go nuts.

"WTF! THIS IS SUCH SH*T! YOU PEOPLE ARE TOTAL LOSER-NERDS WITH NO LIVES AND NO GIRLFRIENDS! HAHAHA YOU SUCK! I HAVE A LIFE!"

A sentence like the one seen above is the kind of thing you might see in the reviews of Ganguro Girl. Or at least it's what I found when I first checked it out. It's luck I found it, but I am glad I did as it bothered me enough to start this topic. This topic basically is setting out to prove that
*These type of games can be appreciated for gameplay and 'perversion', and even when the latter is the reason, it should be treated with a bit more compassion*

Let me start off by saying that while I really didn't enjoy that game too much, I am able to recognize that there are more reasons for the game's popularity than the opening sentence would lead you to believe.

- *Girls* and Guys have shown appreciation for its coding and gameplay. They usually do not cherish the 'ending scenes', but you don't need to agree with everything in a movie. It can be taken in many different ways, just like religion, music lyrics... ect.

- While there wasn't really any good story (events or twists) to this game in my opinion, other games of this type, even Hentai-Games, have proven that such a thing is possible. There are many which are just pointless sexfests yes, but there are different styles of games in this genre, just like any other. In that sense too, how would sexfests be any different from the practically worshipped (by the macho guy community =P) hardcore porno. Some people brag about what they do and have seen.

Sure it's a "cartoon" but you need to realize that the Japanese economy grew up in a different situation from others. Movies and videos weren't as easy to create there as it is elsewhere. That's why manga (Japanese comics) and Anime have been so strong in their culture. Just don't bash it before you learn to understand it's history and why it happened.

- YES there are some that fit your bill, but even those people do not deserve such harsh judgement. Not everyone has life easy, some people DO have problems getting girlfriends, or feel really lonely, and you need to show compassion for those people... not strike them down even further. That's the kind of thing you do if you want to kill them. Just because they aren't reacting to problems in ways you think is proper, it doesn't make it a total abomination.

Why do people say these things? Well for some it makes them feel better, stronger, or even cooler to trash those with problems or doing things the majority would not agree with. I don't think it's very cool to bash people like that though.

I am just asking humanity for something called respect and kindness towards others. We don't get alot of that in the world, so every little bit helps. Just because the world 'isn't a kind place' and that cruelty will always be present, doesn't mean that we should give in and just embrace aggression.

If you don't like those kinds of people, then just don't say anything. It's not like what they're doing hurts people. Unlike kiddy porn, this is only cartoons, there are much 'greater evils'.
Please, just a little empathy is all I ask for.

( Try to read all I said before you disagree with me, 'nother little request ^_^; )

At 3/19/03 08:58 PM, Taxman2A wrote: I, as well, would like some more information on how he arrived at that conclusion. Communism and Democracy are two completely different forms of government.

Oh yeah, and while you're at it, or Tax you could too... Tell me if there's anything in that above system that you agree with and any points you can draw off it or something. I want to reflect my ideas off people for feedback so I can improve my though =D

At 3/19/03 08:43 PM, Taxman2A wrote: I do not believe nuclear weapons should play a role in any way.

There's no chance US will need or even dare to use nuclear weapons on Iraq, there's no need. They don't stand a chance as it is, and this little war in particular won't last too long.... Wars that this war may cause later is a different matter altogether.

Like Russia getting pissed off because their oil deals with Iraq/their chance at getting some of the pie/US is growing in its sphere of control.. then the Russians, Chineese, and North Koreans ((who I've heard have some kind of light alliance. China having helped North Korea in wars before and things like that. Japan is an enemy of NK so they're considering stocking up on nukes in defence against NK's nukes so... things are getting dangerous)) end up getting retribution. In chain reactions like that

At 3/19/03 08:41 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: A perfect democracy is called communism.

Bleh. One liners are no fun. Can you show us how you arrived at that conclusion? Some explanation please?... You need to help people who may not have noticed or even had the time to consider such ideas. Myself included.

Try not to assume everyone knows and thinks what you do. This isn't an attack either, just a nice request. Lol. In order to give others something to debate and discuss we need points and things to make it easier. ^_^;

At 3/19/03 09:02 AM, David_Green wrote:

:so i dont see why we cant just nuke them. whats your opinion.

Um, I hope you're joking but that's kinda scary. I won't insult you or comment beyond that since there's no point to that. You've got the right to voice your opinion, but I, and most people, just won't agree with you that's all.

HOLD BACK THE URGE TO FLAME PEOPLE!

Not saying that leaving the choices up to the masses is a good idea, I like it in the fact that it would be interesting just to see what would actually happen ^_^.

Here's the idea. Democracy was said to be a method of government where 'power was given to the people' right? This system gives the people total control. The hard thing about getting it in would be that the government doesn't trust the people to make the right decisions for themselves. But maybe after a few mistakes we could learn to make proper choices as a collective... some funky group mentality like ants. Lol.

Anyway the system lies in MASSIVE internet poll networks. Everyone would have access to these polling services as terminals could be set up on streets so even bums have access. Basically the people could vote to decide on pretty much anything. Due to the massive number of choices, everyone would not vote on everything, just the people who know of the situations. Which would result in most having at least somewhat informed opinions.

At the terminals it would give information links for various points of view, and the choices themselves. If you wanted to find a new topic you could do a little search. Mr. Poor guy could click "Poverty" and vote on something that affects his own life.

I am not a master-engineer and I don't know everything there is to know about computer security so I'll just toss ideas around here. Maybe you could register and get a login ID at the terminal itself. Retinal scanners (yeah I've heard of their existance), fingerprinting, or even DNA logging could be a possibility (It'd need sterilization systems to avoid spread of disease when pricking your finger though =P).

To TRY and insure informed opinions, maybe you'd be required to check out a couple links, and a timer checks that you've at least read something, but it's not a perfect system in that sense. Maybe you'd have to write an opinion piece, take a quiz, I am not perfectly sure on the method, but something could be worked out, and whatever doesn't work can be replaced.

Anyway, this system would be TRUE democracy. I invented it when thinking about how everyone says true communism and democracy is impossible, so just to be the flip-side guy that I enjoy being sometimes, I wanted to think somethin' up.

It makes sense to me, and it makes me curious as to where the country's people would lead itself. Just an idea.

Things are hard for the people right now. They might have been walking for the past 20 hours to get away from the impending war. They can't just drive off like we might be able to, and they have to deal with heat. Also you'd need to factor in them carrying all their provisions and possessions.

I say we should all hope for the middle and lower classes of the world who are caught between the struggles of government, buisiness, and upper-class. These people are the ones that feel the war. They are the soldiers, and the casualties.

Just look at the sanctions US has imposed on Iraq. These won't hurt Saddam or his organizations. He is able to hoard up supplies and use all sorts of methods to get what he needs. The only thing this does is hurt the people, killing millions a year. It's a sad state of affairs for the world....

At 3/18/03 12:17 PM, Dig_the_Man wrote: You know what I am sick and tired of... listening to people like you who have the choice of turning off their tv's. Get real, read a book.

Jesus, you don't need to be such a bitch. People need to stop judging topics like this. Not everyone has gotten the chance to hear everything you have, don't assume people all have had equal opportunity and experience.

The last thing this place needs is a group that horribly flames topics that just aren't something you find new or interesting. It's a waste of space!

"You know what I am sick and tired of... listening to people like you who have the choice of turning off their tv's"
^ Well I am tired of people commenting on topics just to bash others. If you don't like the friggin' topic STOP bumping it up with useless fighting. Let it go, ignore it...

We don't need your hate. That goes for a lot of you.

At 3/19/03 04:43 PM, wafflemeister wrote: I SERIOUSLYdo not think Americans have the right to insult the French. Our country is 1/2 fatasses

ROFL...Thanks, I needed that bit of comedy there. Always fun to toss some pointless humor into serious discussion. Fun =P

*not being sarcastic or anything*

Bleh, can't seem to find it. Think you could give a better keyword to look for or something? I'll try your profile too I guess =P

At 3/19/03 02:57 AM, OlenWhitaker wrote:

:collectively point to anything in particular.

Nope, just said stuff and hoped it would stir up thoughts. Never really had any points to prove, just pondering.

I feel very strongly that religion has no place in schools.

Yeouch. Pretty big statement there =P. Maybe single religion schools should not exist, yet the opportunity for Multiple Religion learning to arise at a grade level where it isn't just childish memorization and they actual reason and create ideals.

Oh and other guy, if you ever see this again, lets hear why the egg came first. =D

At 3/19/03 07:13 AM, swayside wrote:

Once again, not something I would do. I'd certainly hire somebody on thier merits,

see? you do discriminate. you wouldn't hire someone whi didn't finish the ninth grade would you? that's discrimination on the grounds of educational level.

Well, there are certain degrees of discriminatory severance! Lol. It's obviously less-bad to let someone work for you if they didn't complete certain levels of education because they may not know certain vital things, and school is a good reflection of a person's commitment, responsibility and dedi- you get the point right?

Not hiring someone because they're black IS wrong, and you shouldn't be able to do it, but people will because yeah, they can. There's usually no way you can prove they did it either unless they say so. Of course, there are situations when descrimination due to age/looks/race come into play. That's in "themed" restaurants and stuff. If you've got a place where you want lots of cute server chicks then you obviously can't hire a guy. And if you're really pushing for some oriental theme, you're probably going to want to lean towards the appropriate race of women.

It's just to keep variety. Not everything has to be blended you know? It's not like they hate all other people, it's just that they want to give off a certain theme sometimes. So you can justify it in certain situations =P (Porn could be an example too if the people were looking for a certain theme due to their website theme/name)

Oh yeah, but everyone else is still brainwashed and they think I am going to hell just because I say prayer and the rosary is useless BS.
No one is any fun. Oh and the fact that I enjoy progressive rock, Incubus n' Tool... really doesn't help me. "Devil-Music" lol. *sigh* I want out, but last year is soon to start so I might as well finish it somewhere where I know where all the classes and blah are...

At 3/19/03 01:20 AM, Taxman2A wrote: The catholic school I went to was as manipulative as hell also. During my freshman year of high school they literally brainwashed us during a "morality class", making us sit through several hours of videos of doctors administering abortions to women. I remember after that class we talked about and every single one ofthe 40 students in the room was talking about how they would be pro-life forever, and about how pro-choice really meant pro-death. We were given homework assignments to cut out ads for abortion clinics we found in phone books and newspapers, and we were made to bring them in so that our teachers could show how all of the ads were evil and lied to us.

Lol. I know exactly what you're talking about. I dealt with it last year actually. I managed to see through it about a year later (now). Thank god for world religions class. Opened my mind up from the narrow narrow christian point of view.

At 3/19/03 01:04 AM, Taxman2A wrote: yeah right, Karl... ever heard of sex, music, alchohol, drugs, television, the internet, and about anything and everything else people use as a passtime?

Well, I guess in Karl's defense... he didn't say those things didn't also numb you. He was only talking about religion. Lol.

And yeah, religion does have that problem. People accept certain truths because they must, else they face damnation. They adopt absurd rituals. Just look at what I had to go through in a Roman Catholic school... ROSARY. Incarnation of the very thing I despise. Almost 50 friggin prayers, and we are supposed to do it because people say so.

Good thing I ditched that crazy and manipulative religion (not only for that reason. If you wanna know why, ask later)