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Response to: To my fellow conservatives... Posted March 13th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/12/09 04:18 PM, Slick-Rob wrote:
We Republicans tried a REAL Stimulus package which gave money straight to the taxpayers and didn't have over 9,000 earmarks. (insert DBZ joke here) It didn't work did it? And neither will this one, which has a whole bunch of crap that WILL NOT STIMULATE THE ECONOMY!!! How is $50,000 for the National Foundation for the Arts, a STIMULUS? Tell me why a 3 Trillion Dollar Bill is necessary.

You mean like the last couple of stimlus bills and tax give aways that did that as well and showed itself to do nothing at all.

The funny thing, is people keep putting faith into an idea that has been shown by history to both not work and to actually drag out or extend recessions. Stimlus spending hasn't shown itself to be an effecient form of government "guided" economic action.

A government can't force the economy to react, a government can make it easier for the government to controll itself.

Response to: Obama School Plan Posted March 13th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/13/09 09:18 PM, Korriken wrote:
What we need is one thing the government can't buy with money. A cultural change. Our culture has to change and have a lot more emphasis on intelligence and education.

What we need, along with this change in intelligence and education in our national view, is actual competive schools where parents can pick and choose where they went to go aka voucher program

Along with that, if ever possible which isn't likely,we have to get rid of the biggest problem to public education in this country, teacher unions.

The amount of power that they have on the education proccess and thier corrupt manhandling of our nation's youths is something that needs to be changed.

Response to: Shoe Thrower Jailed Posted March 13th, 2009 in Politics

More then likely you would have gotten the same sentance here if you did that.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted March 10th, 2009 in Politics

I can't believe how this story has gone on without mentioning one of the best children's movies of all time.

I can't believe how all of you guys forgot about it.

The Brave Little Toaster.

Anyman that watches the scene with the toaster and the flower and doesn't cry has no heart.

Response to: Why I'm glad the economy crashed Posted March 10th, 2009 in Politics

Simple, newspapers are like any other business and cater to thier customers.

The American people, sadly, have the attention span of a 12 year old on ADD and will only limit a certain amont of time or passing care to a certain situation.

Usually after that, the paper will still cover the story, but just not anywhere near the first six pages.

Response to: To my fellow conservatives... Posted March 9th, 2009 in Politics

Bring back Barry Goldwater would be one good thing.

As much as I love Ronald Reagan, there were many things that he did that started this decline.

Chief among them was incorparating overly religous docterine into conservative policy.

Conservative policy used to mean small government, small debt, small taxes and pro military.
Now it's massive government, lip service to the military and forced religious and social values.

People like Palin and Huckabee are what is killing the Republican party.

Response to: People don't have rights Posted March 9th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/9/09 05:22 PM, BitchJustLostTheGame wrote:
At 3/9/09 05:16 PM, Ravariel wrote:
With one more fucking retard to explain things to. No one deserves to live. Neither you nor I ever deserved to be born. Any second of anyone's life up until now, they could've died in any manner of ways. Everyone in the world is just living on borrowed time. For all of their life. So gives thanks you've lived this long.

Clearly we have met an endowed humanist, huh.

Now, since this is your belief, what philosophical belief or basis due you base this you? I mean, since all philosophy isn't correct or incorrect, you must have rationalized this in your mind to some extent.

I am of course digressing from your point and view life as a natural culmination of God's graces, but that is my belief.

Response to: People don't have rights Posted March 9th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/8/09 07:45 PM, EKublai wrote: Fundamentally, people must have certain rights or society breaks down. For instance, no government can exist without the consent of the governed. That is the natural right that the entire animal kingdom operates under.

Because obviously there were no governments before John Locke came up with the idea of consent of the governed.

There have been societies and governments based a long time on and remained in power for a number of years without consent of the governed.

The real answer is that no just government can remain in power without the consent of the governed.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted March 8th, 2009 in Politics

You know...I just like peanut butter brownies, you know by themselves

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted March 8th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/8/09 10:38 AM, SevenSeize wrote:
At 3/7/09 11:44 PM, aviewaskewed wrote:
It was over and I was like, "wait, no. dont be over. come back"

Can't really get the urge to see it that much.
Not really a fan of comic book movies.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted March 7th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/7/09 10:20 AM, SevenSeize wrote:
At 3/6/09 11:00 PM, Malachy wrote:
At 3/7/09 04:00 AM, fli wrote:
yes, he actualy is a pig farmer... and a lawyer too. He gave up law to farm pigs.
This is a smart man.

I never knew that pig farming was that rewarding of a career.

Response to: Obama Deception Posted March 5th, 2009 in Politics

At 3/5/09 12:31 PM, mikailus wrote: MP, you don't like him because he's black and you think that Americans would never vote for a black guy based on merit, so you spin these wild conspiracy theories to discredit him. Admit it.

I introduce to you folks, the Troll of the Thread.

Did you actually read my post where I called bullshit on these theories, or did you just make this post after I complained about him?

Response to: Obama Deception Posted March 5th, 2009 in Politics

I swear to god, you people really like to piss people off do you.

Obama is a demigogue, yes thats a fact. Obama is nationalizing and socializing the nation, yes thats another fact. Obama is the most socialist president we have had since FDR, yes. More then likely Obama is going to fuck up the country more, well I believe so.

But the idea that Obama is some massive puppet for some new world order scheme (bullshit) and that the economic meltdown was enginered by the worlds elite (also incredibly bullshit to anyone with the most rudimentary concepts of economics) to form a world government is just....laughable.

There's enough to dislike about Obama without getting into the ludicrous. You people just make any reasonable dislike for Obama seem crazy.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted March 5th, 2009 in Politics

I wish life was filled with more standardized tests, because I've always kicked ass out them.

I've found often that, beyond the obvious that the only people that bitch at the tests because they did bad on them, are the same ones that can't have a linear class system in highschool. You know what I mean, they don't like or don't do well at more strict and organised classes (listen to lecture, read the material, do equations on your own freetime and then get tested on it).

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 28th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/27/09 09:40 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:
At 2/27/09 01:54 PM, Proteas wrote:
It's okay, you're not stupid, you just haven't found what you are most good enjoyable in yet.

I have a couple of ideas that would work for him.

Problem is the status of thier legallity.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 25th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/25/09 08:04 PM, Proteas wrote:
At 2/25/09 07:52 PM, Malachy wrote:
If the only part of your private life you share is that you like knives and are a big, quiet guy...well, we will think you are a big, quiet guy who likes knives and nothing else.
I know you're all mostly joking, but still... the joke's been beaten to death.

Stabbed to death would have been much more pun intented

Response to: Greenspan goes Commie Posted February 24th, 2009 in Politics

And just like that, Judas gets his thirty pieces of silver.

I swear, you can't find a free market capitalist that won't go marxist when his holdings are in trouble.

But to be fair, I didn't like Greenspan before and I don't like him now.

Response to: Punishing Bush Posted February 21st, 2009 in Politics

Bush can't be charged for anything people.

A president has absolute immunity from liability based on his acts as president.

Nixon v. Fitzgerald kinda clarified that.

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 19th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/19/09 11:49 AM, Proteas wrote:
At 2/19/09 11:21 AM, Christopherr wrote:
Note to self...
(1) I don't drink.
(2) You folks scare me at times.

(1). How? Dear god how do you live?

and

(2) Pot defiantly calling kettle black. I just have a love for guns, but I'm not sweeney Todd here.

Response to: Muslim leader claims Holocaust was Posted February 18th, 2009 in Politics

I can't wait untill the day were we have advanced to a better form of energy and fuel rather then using oil.
Then we can just dump them back into the world they were in before the British showed up.

Response to: Sex change wtf? Posted February 16th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/16/09 01:03 PM, Shaggytheclown17 wrote:
So that enforces my statement that a person who has a sex change can not have kids in their normal way and never ever in the oposite way.

I really hope I cleared that up.

I think that was self implied so don't worry about it.

My question, is what do they do about the adam's apple for the mtf gender benders.

While there are already many aspects that could point out what they truly are in public, the adams apple would seem to be a more visible marker.

Response to: South America and world afffairs Posted February 15th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/14/09 05:35 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:
At 2/13/09 01:45 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote:
I think it would depend on
1) The American public realising that subisdies are against all sort of morality and efficiency standards.

Right, the American public coming to an informed and credible conclusion.
Tell me how that works out.

2) Counter-lobbies by 3rd world nation. Basically what we did in Mar del Plata, not signing FTAA because of the lack of inclusion of liberalization of food-related markets.

You don't give the agriculture lobbyist's enough credit. You don't realize how much power they have and how much sway they have over senators and Representives from the south, midwest, and west.

No international group is ever going to beat that.

Response to: Obama's economic address Posted February 13th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/13/09 01:56 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:
Yeah, it worked wonders for Carter.
Or hell, it's not like it didn't take the biggest war in human history to bring us out of the Great Depression.
WW2 is macroeconomically, the same as a stimulus plan.

G up
Multiplier in action
???
Profit!!!

Profit is questionable, since this was the beginning of the US descent into a debt ridden nation.

Au contraire, my friend, fiscal policy is the only tool left. The fed has already lost all ammo, especially since deflation has become a quite possible scenario.
Remember that the whole cause for the Keynesian revolution was the Great Depression, it was the only economic school that was able to explain it, and ultimately solve it.

Yes because, like I said earlier, Roosevelt's alphabet soup of programs didn't seem to do much untill we needed rifles to kill the germans with.
If Keynesian economics is indeed correct, then how come Roosevelts New Deal programming had such a miniscule effect? If Keynesian economics is indeed correct, then what explains Japan's lost generation?

Response to: South America and world afffairs Posted February 13th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/5/09 09:43 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:
At 2/5/09 03:46 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
At 2/5/09 03:24 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:
Here's a list of the policies you could implement to greatly help the Third World:

1) Eliminate Agricultural Subsidies

End.

Yeah and I want to live in an Ice Castle, but thats never going to happen.
You have to be realistic and just accept, that while removing subsidies would be fantastic for third world nations and (as you know my economic views) benificial as a whole, the idea that the farm lobbyist's (some of the strongest in the nation) would ever let that go is crazy.

Response to: Obama's economic address Posted February 12th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/11/09 02:09 PM, Der-Lowe wrote:
At 2/11/09 03:32 AM, Memorize wrote:
At 2/11/09 01:44 AM, Bolo wrote:
Fiscal policy (aka stimulus plan) has been intensively and successfully by every president that has faced a recession, from FDR to George W Bush.

Yeah, it worked wonders for Carter.
Or hell, it's not like it didn't take the biggest war in human history to bring us out of the Great Depression.

Fiscal policy is great tool for helping to control inflation or unemployment, but is useless for large scale recessions based upon more pressing and critical flaws in th economy.

Response to: Centrism - Weak? Posted February 10th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/10/09 09:37 PM, Tancrisism wrote:
At 2/10/09 07:42 PM, aninjaman wrote: The people that view centrists as weak are also the same decisive politicians that refuse to compromise and get things done.
For instance, George W. Bush. ?

Or Congress as a whole, or Obama, or any State Legislature or Govenor in the country.

I would say the vast majority of politicians are like that.

Response to: Made in USA Posted February 10th, 2009 in Politics

Apparently people don't read history anymore.

Simply mentioning the Smoot Haley Act and the damage it did to the US should be enough proof

Response to: Negative Income Tax Posted February 10th, 2009 in Politics

Why do people always need flashy, unrealistic tax systems to replace a gargantuan and corrupt tax system?

Is the idea of a flat rate tax system really that hard to swallow? Is simplicity to be feared?

Response to: Obama's economic address Posted February 10th, 2009 in Politics

Actually funny thing, the Cato Institute recently ran an advertisment in many national papers (New York Times, Washington Post, Boston Globe etc etc) addressing that idea that almost all serious economists insist that government spending needs to be jacked up.

The funny thing about it, is that they got a bunch of University economists and what not to actually disagree with that statement.

http://www.cato.org/

A little bit of food for though

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 9th, 2009 in Politics

At 2/9/09 04:56 PM, Proteas wrote:
At 2/9/09 04:47 PM, stafffighter wrote:
But hey, little brothers are supposed to be a pain in the ass, right?

No, just the older one.

And this is the only time I'm ever going to say this, but I love an Apple product.

Thier Apple Garage Band is actually pretty good, while using it on someone else's computer.

I recorded a chuck berry rythym bit on my acoustic guitar, then recorded a harmonica solo and overlapped them.

Folk Rock awsomeness.
Next step, Springsteen's Atlantic City.

And oh yes, Proteas, we don't winter prep our vehicles up here.
The most we do is add some different wiper fluid mix, other then that the cars are the same.
The only difference is that we have plows and salt trucks.

Actually today was nice, it was like 37 out and it felt like summer. I was out in just longsleeves.