At 12/4/04 04:22 AM, Zephyr2 wrote:

At 12/3/04 08:41 PM, WadeFulp wrote: You know, when I sit back and take all this in, it's pretty funny.

Wann know what I find funny? People agree with T0MMY before you and MC post, then right after - everyone goes haywire and wants to bite T's head off - even wanting to posess your babies Wade.

Everyone, get a mind of your own plzkthx.

Haha, you're absolutely right Zephyr,
And it one of the reasons why attacked Tommy Directly.
Just like Agent K from Men in Black onces said.
"A person is smart, but People are stupid"

While I still feel Tommy is entitled to his beliefs, he real intention was to group up the hapless, and engage in some Huge Exodus, of Moses-like proportions.
His apathetic tone, and Gandhi-like approach merely backfired, as the more sentient members of the site caught on ever so quickly.

At 12/4/04 01:17 AM, Stamper wrote:

At 12/4/04 01:00 AM, T0MMY wrote: Have fun, everyone.

-T0MMY

I'll cry you a river if you cry me an ocean.

At least Stamper pretended to die, when he left.

this.... this is just lame.

At 12/4/04 12:46 AM, T0MMY wrote:

I never said that. I said I didn't like the logo branding before my movie, the only option you've given artists to take it out is to remove their movie completely. How about giving an option to have it instead of forcing us to remove our movie? How about even a simple courtesy post on the front page about it?

Holie shit.. You're dense. The Branding dissappears as long as you log in? WTF is so hard about that ? No one is forcing anybody to remove anything,

What I don't understand is why you people think I want money from you for myself and only myself for what I've done here. I never wanted any money for the work I've done here. I'm proposing ways of enabling artists to continue their production. Sorry, but my grocery store doesn't take Newgrounds stickers as food stamps.

-T0MMY

Funny how you're saying You're only doing this because you're looking out for "the other artist" .. yet YOU end your statement about needing to buy groceries...

As negativeone already stated. the artist that will make it, will. and the ones that don't try hard enough won't. No one needs your help man.
we never did...

Also You're a hipocrate. You're looking out for yourself, and you're trying to use the guise that your doing it for the "good of the artist".

I bet you didn't think of that when You crashed Eric's Tablet to peddle your shit did you. I bet you didn't think of it when Eric is there sweating everypenny to produce banners and standups for his table and renting the space. Or how his stomach turned every day leading up to the convention, because he poured his heart and soul, AND Money into everything he believed in.
where where you're ethics then? You grimey piece of shit.

A true Artist Does not beg...

Fucking Look around man... No one is bitching.... just You....
If you can't do it. Don't. Get a 9-5 and get absorbed into the system like the rest. Become what you are, and are destined to be, a statistic.

At 12/3/04 10:18 PM, EVIL-C wrote:

At 12/3/04 10:07 PM, NegativeONE wrote: It's honestly weak to try to blame NG if you're not surviving as an artist.

You shouldn't be so quick to think I'm blaming anyone. Don't get so worked up over the idea that I think it'd be great if you could make money making animations.

-T0MMY

That makes absolutely no sense. If monetary gain for you and other artist, wasn't the point of your original post, then why you wasting our time with this?

I think the problem is you revolve yourself around newground a bit to much. You eat sleep and breathe it. and that ain't healthy.

Neither is putting all your eggs into one basket. You're Fustrated because your putting all this energy into one outlet, and it didnt pay off for you.

Newgrounds is only one of the many outlets for you to express yourself publicly, and possibly have a chance at a deal. But you can't blame newgrounds it it doesn't work out for you.. Thats just pathetic.

Think Of Newgrounds as a Flash Version of monster.com
the same way you post your resume' is the same way you post your flash here.
An Employer hires you, and monster gets paid for providing a service where Employers can find workers.
Would you really Expect Monster to pay you for posting your resume??
the same applies here.

And At the Same time, people looking for work don't only post on monster.com, think about it.

At 12/3/04 06:54 PM, T0MMY wrote:

At 12/3/04 06:40 PM, MindChamber wrote: If you truely feel you do, and your not making money from it. Then you are are not doing something right.

You, sir, are right. But that leaves us wondering exactly what it is that we're not doing right. So, to help everyone out, here's how to make money off your work:

1) Forget about artistic skill, don't bother practicing life drawing, movement studies, illustration, design, and don't waste your time/money on an art degree. Simply do one of the following: sprites, clay, trace Johnnen Vasquez's drawings (the goths will pay big bucks for anything remotely similar to his work).

2) Make a lot of movies. Forget about quality, if america has shown us anything it's quantity not quality. Pretend you're McDonalds and you've got a lot of hungry customers. Don't let frame-by-frame enter your vocabulary, TWEEN AWAY!

3) Don't bother writing scripts, just rehash sitcoms and popular movies. Nothing will get people laughing more than a Family Guy quote. Include lots of catch phrases like "I pwn j00" which will get people to remember you more.

4) To be the best you have to pretend you're the best. Boast about DVD sales and site hits, even if it's not true. If people think you're hot stuff then you will be.

Follow these simple rules and you may be a one in a million artist that can make poverty level income.

-T0MMY

Sounds like your Bitter because the sell-outs are making money and your not..
That's life kid, wake da fuck up.
Hey, it pisses me off too.
But I'm not gonna compromise my ethics because of it.
and you can ask Eric, I'm not full of shit when it comes to this.

and While I may be poor. I'm still proud of what I can do and what I have done, and only strive to be better.
There are millions of artist wayy better than you or I out there, that don't even have access to a computer. But they make it work. and regardless of Sell-outs their talents will shine.
You already have a step up on them. you have exposure to millions.
Shit,. I'm sure to them, Your the sell-out, simply because you do have the upper hand.

Use it wisely, instead of just shooting yourself in the foot.

Lets Be Brutally Honest here.

You really think you should be paid for your flash?
Honestly ,
You really feel your flash is that up to snuff, against all the professionals out there, that you deserve a paycheck?

If you truely feel you do, and your not making money from it. Then you are are not doing something right.

Keep practicing man. Just like the rest of us.
and quit griping about it.

At 12/3/04 05:31 PM, GreatTeacherOnizuka wrote:

At 12/3/04 05:06 PM, MindChamber wrote: Un-fucking Believeable.

j00 are an ass kissing, pen0r suxxing, toadie splo0j licking, buttgina. j00sucked toms fulps anal so hard... jeez let it breath, i bet he paid j00 to say that too. either that or hes just j00r ghey butt buddy.

now go back to suxing LFs pen0r, and filming it for tom. j00 loser rent-a-cop wannabe.

PS. sux mai pen0r

haha Nice one Tommy.
I'm not ashamed of hard work. I think LF sucks. and I don't speak for anyone, but myself.

and just as you have a right to grubb, I have a right to tell your hippy ass to get a job like the rest of us.

At 12/3/04 05:26 PM, Denvish wrote:

At 12/3/04 05:15 PM, MindChamber wrote: No he's not, he's asking for money.

He's asking for money for Flash authors so they don't HAVE to 'work a fucked up overnight Security job' to keep Flashing. I don't understand why you have a problem with that, surely as a Flash author, you should be supporting that argument? Or do you bear so much resentment from working in a shitty job that you can't bear the idea that other people should have it a little easier?

Well your right about one thing. Snotnosed bitches living in their moms basements, asking for handouts DOES Urk me. but that wasn't my point.
OBVIOUSLY, they are not getting work on their own..
Which means.. Guess what? Their shit aint up to snuff yet..
Which means that they still have to keep practicing like I did.
and you'll still need to work to live, so get a fucking job, and dirty those precious faggy hands.

I'm sure if They guys where getting clients on their own, they wouldn't have Tommy Boy here, beggin for scraps.

and THATS my point.

At 12/3/04 03:12 PM, Miles11 wrote:

At 12/3/04 03:10 PM, SickDeathFiend wrote: Maybe we should start submitting to www.Kizash.com instead, atleast they pay you for your hard work.

thats sellfish, TOMMY is helping the website because he wants to, he doesn't expect payment and would like to provide a charitable service to the website.

No he's not, he's asking for money.

At 12/3/04 05:07 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Keep in mind if you review something and complain about it being featured, like "Why is this crap on the front page?" we will ban you if we catch you saying that. It's not the artist's fault where he's featured, and leaving comments like that in a review are not helpful to the author. Stick to reviewing the entry, or be fucked.

"Why is this crap a sticky?"

Un-fucking Believeable.

First of All people need to realize.
That Newgrounds is Merely showcasing peoples' work.
they don't own or have rights to the art or games shown.
The Logo merely states that your Piece is being showcased by newgrounds. Nothing more.
If anything it adds a flair of proffesional quality to an already shit pile of crappy flash .
Newgrounds Doesn't "own" anything.

Now for this crybaby act of.. "I work hard for newgrounds, I should be reinbursed" Well you do.. You have your content exposed to Millions of potiental Clients out there.
So now you want to get paid as well?
Well turn the tables then... If newgrounds gathers work for you, and directs clients to your website, and you make money from said clients...
then Hell, that means newgrounds is your agent.
and if thats the Case YOU owe newgrounds money. Agents aren't free.

But obviously your not making connections with potiental clients..
and so you bitch.

But who's fault is that? Not newgrounds..
You don't see "illwillpress, or Adam Phillips complaining,...
Hmmmm I wonder why..
Hey, It's not newgrounds fault if you shit ain't up to par, and no one wants to hire you.
You do what I did. work a fucked up overnight Security job, and keep practicing.
Not Begging for fucking handouts.

it's Ironic that you threaten to take your animations from newgrounds.
Seeing as if it wasn't for newgrounds, no one would know your ass from a hole in the wall..

At 11/28/04 10:16 PM, -poxpower- wrote:

At 11/28/04 10:09 PM, MindChamber wrote:
Obviously, I not the one that needs to grow up. Since your the one whos to immature not to take a word out of context.

lol if you knew how many jokes Ron made about gays, jews and blacks, you would have never said that.

In fact, Ron is one of the mods who uses the most of these sort of offensive jokes, and he's the one who banned the little shit. So that tells you a lot about how "funny" that review is.

Ohh I see. So no one aside from Ron is allowed to make Fags, and racists jokes?
thanks for the heads up.

At 11/28/04 10:11 PM, MtSaintMichelMix wrote:

At 11/28/04 10:09 PM, MindChamber wrote: Obviously, I not the one that needs to grow up. Since your the one whos to immature not to take a word out of context.

said the one whose age is apparently 80.

i hope you noticed that he said "gay" 12 times to described the movie.

i'm sure you can agree that "Alexander was one flaming faggot." is acceptable in a movie review.

Mabye not in your Mormon county. But this is newgrounds.,
We are mature enough to know when someone is being sarcastic.
It was a play on words. And he didn't attack anyone on the site.

Admit it. Banning other guy from the forum gets you wet.
No wonder your so defensive haha.
You should go out more.

At 11/28/04 10:01 PM, MtSaintMichelMix wrote:

At 11/28/04 10:00 PM, MindChamber wrote: wah.

grow up.

Obviously, I not the one that needs to grow up. Since your the one whos to immature not to take a word out of context.

At 11/28/04 09:49 PM, Zerok wrote:

At 11/28/04 09:46 PM, MindChamber wrote: and yet I read that moderators banned the Poster?

Read further and they explain in detail.
Summary: too much 'gay' use.

Thats totally retarded. He obviously was joking.
some of these mods need to take their non paying jobs less seriously.

and yet. I see a badly drawn pic of a black dude that can't go to heaven.

Thank goodness for them I don't have a stick up my ass like they do, or otherwise I'd be offended.

There was nothing wrong with that review.
You nerds need to lighten up.

Wow.. That was such a funny ass review, long and detailed,

and yet I read that moderators banned the Poster?

I mean seriously, what the fuck is that?

Awesome Work as usually Ben!!

and thanks for the compliments!!

Personally I think both pieces work. in distinct ways.

and I can't really choose either one for you :P

Simply because YOU are the Director. Its your world that you create for us.

And its much more exciting to be suprized!!

At 10/27/04 12:47 AM, rvyn wrote:

blhablah

...Maybe you could send us over a free copy? ;) Good publicity!

or..maybe... you could BUY IT? Ya cheap ass

what happened to Thistler?
why did he decide to take his minigame out, and submit it solo?

yeah, I fronted on Shok, I was supposed to check the show out yesterday. Times are too tight for da' fun stuff.

I'm sure he Kicked ass..

At 10/19/04 05:39 PM, Deathcon7 wrote:

At 10/19/04 05:26 PM, MindChamber wrote: WTF is taking so long?

Perhaps some of the others of the games are taking forever to send their games to Ing. I'm not worried though, mine is already in.

Well, there's been rumours that Ing simply made this post so he can run away with that code..

So instead of keeping quiet about it, I wanna go to the source and find out whats up.

WTF is taking so long?

At 10/15/04 10:26 PM, Skizor wrote:
Just my paranoia, ....

-Skizor

I agree, You're Paranoid.

Firstly your remark about Tom not Defending the little man with the Lego Bullshit. You might not have been around. But Tom has had many Bouts on Legal matters and properties, where you here when he spent thousands of his own money defending the Charlie Brown Parodies?.. Do You think he should fight this fight alone? Are you willing to help him? What about all the legal hassle Tom gets from Flash with copyrighted music? Did Tom turn the other way? Quite the Contrary, the man went on to create the 'Audio Portal' yet another avenue for creativity. Seriously a few Half Assed Lego flashes are not going to Hinder the Portal in anyway. Infact that Lego Fiasco is only a Fraction of the Legal threats That Tom speaks of Publicly. Every time some Dufus decides to animate sticks to some copyrighted material.
Your remark that Tom is letting Newgrounds Slide because he is supposedly allowing flashes to be removed is Unfounded. Newgrounds attracts the biggest and the Best in Flash animators, and programmers, while still making it inviting and engaging for the hobbiest or enthusiasts. Some of the Best Flash/ games to date have come out of newgrounds in the recent years. This in part to some of the restrictions you whine about now, those same restrictions that have helped create a more productive commuity with more focus.
The result? Better Flash animations and Games.
So what if Tom Plugs a few Items from some distrubutors. He's been running this site with no help from anyone going on Ten years now. If Big brand companies are finally recognizing the Flash culture as a viable market, it manly because of sites like Newgrounds. It sure as hell isn't because of you.
and If Tom ever decides to make a VIP section for newgrounds, then more power to him, Sign me da' fuc up. When you have Creeps like Illwillpress, making hundreds off his DVDs, and the Xombie creator
going Bigtime, Or even RAB creator beggin for handouts. the truth to the matter is, there are tons of other artist selling out for the Allmighty buck, all because of Newgrounds, then shit, why shouldn't Tom?

But here's the funny part, one needs only to Venture out to other Flash Sites, to realize. that in fact Tom hasn't.

While you make think I'm a loyalist, I'm not .
I simply been around long enough, and know more about whats going on behind the scenes, to know that no matter how knowledgeable and pretentious your post may be...

You're merely talking out your ass.

At 10/15/04 11:55 AM, TomFulp wrote:

At 10/15/04 10:37 AM, Tnye02 wrote: -I live in Brooklyn, where is Barcade?

The address is 388 Union Ave.

You can learn more at:
http://www.barcadebrooklyn.com

There wasn't a cover when we were there.

holie crap thats a train ride away!!!

Bummer.. you where in Brooklyn, and didnt look me up? :)
snob

Comes in with a growl, leaves with a Whimper.
A man that gives no respect to peoples hard work, cannot demand it in return.

Yes, be gone, you parasite.

At 10/13/04 05:59 PM, aUsTiN_Inc wrote:
"So to continue with the childish posts (these other members) is rather pointless."

It is your call as they are your work. Ive asked both & have had no direct reply on how to proceed. ...

Thanks.

your prententiousness is infuriating.
I want "Alloy" and "Recoil" removed right now.

At 10/13/04 05:02 AM, aUsTiN_Inc wrote:

.... Its amazing how much easier things are when ya just ask. True or False w0ggles :)

Interesting Logic,

Would have been nice if you had followed it yourself when obtaining other people's hard work. It would be amazing how much easier this would've have all been if you simply contacted the creators to host their work.

And going by the Logic "If I see the game stolen on other sites then, why shouldn't I take them," is just as faulty.
And Decompiling someone else’s work is shiesty, no matter what spin you put on it…
Just because someone has a DVD-burner and they see Bootleg Movies being sold on the street , that doesn't make it is any less illegal if they decide to do it themselves..

True or False Mr WigglesJ:)

heres my suggestion to the Lego-crisis

USE STIKFAS!!

They are amazing and I'm sure the company who creates them are alot more hip to the free advertising than Lego.

http://www.stikfas.com/