At 12/16/09 07:31 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 12/16/09 07:17 AM, Kisuke wrote: All of this talk about Miyazaki films and no Porco Rosso?

Sons, I am disappoint.

I'm pretty sure I mentioned Porco Rosso on the last page.

Y'know, all this talk of Miyazaki and you guys still haven't mentioned all his films. I don't see Ponyo or the Lupin III movie he did.

At 12/16/09 07:27 AM, Bahamut wrote: Makes me feel like an old-timer here but young at the same time since I wasn't even here until 2004.

Jesus, you feel old? I've been here since 03 and all my internet buddies are long gone. I feel saddened by this.

And now here comes the chain reactiomn of users from 02, 01 and so on.

Pour out a 40 for our dead homie...

Seriously Alastor was awesome, the fact that he's not a mod or even around on newgrounds anymore makes this place rather abysmal.

At 12/14/09 02:56 AM, LinaInverseFan wrote: I just finished watching the entire Berserk series. Overall it was good, but it could have been better. Seriously, is there a lost explanation episode, or were those last couple of episodes a giant middle finger to the audience?

Fuck the ending. It was great, the character were badass, the English adaptation was good and it all seemed to go along well when... THE FUCKING ENDING. Do we get a second season? No? FUCK YOU ASSHOLES!

Hahaha, that was great. I love this. But Afro Ninja, what was his problem with Windows? Is he just an angsty MacFag or was he joking?

In any case I love RetsuFrash

At 12/10/09 10:32 PM, Becan666 wrote: No, I meant that I can't find the flash anymore. Was is deleted from Newgrounds?

Entry 10 Suicide by Tool of the System was a stolen flash and featured Characters he did not create. This was a LONG time ago too. So it was removed from the portal.

At 12/9/09 04:41 PM, Aigis wrote: The first review for Final Fantasy XIII is out.

Famitsu gave it 39/40. Slightly less than they gave XII. But then again, the exact same score that they gave X.

This is also more than both Final Fantasy VI and VII. But, if Famitsu is to believed then FFXII is the best game of the series

Hahahahahahaha, logical fallacies.

But, in any case I might aswell download the demo when it's avaliable and see how it turns out.

At 12/9/09 06:42 AM, letiger wrote: Hello everybody. Just posting here to tell you I'm back from a ban. Damn this club dosn't get that many posts. I mean Spiffy last posted here November 27th. Dosn't anybody just check in with the place?

Welcome back, and apologies for not informing the club of your "disappearance" even though you did PM me. But, welcome back good sire.

I wonder if people are still on about my lovely piece about morals. I probably read a bit to much Nietzsche, but what can I say he is awesome. I guess it can continue, though I will not reply to every damn post, and will chime in from time to time too. Then once everyone has had their fair share I think I would like to move onto another topic (I have so many of them on my damn mind).

Congrats brother man, and your wife is a white woman? Living the dream man, living the dream.

Dissidia is worth buying. Mostly because you can play it for hours and you have about 20 characters to choose from. The voice acting is really good in my opinion, the musical score is brilliant as always and the story, although it plays on one central theme throughout the whole ordeal is really good. Plus the graphics are top notch for the system. Possibly the best looking game for a handheld I've seen. Also. You have to buy this game. You can't just rent it and expect to finish everything within a week. It's pretty damn long. Plus, it has something for everyone. From the NES fan to the fans of the newer games it's all good.

Plus, any game that has Kefka making fun of Squall is great. Also, Terra is mai waifu.

Jesus. I guess people are so busy with this contest that there is no time to do another one.

Then again, since it is december people will probably be doing other things. And it would probably involve Christmas.

But aside from that, how goes the judgings sires?

At 12/4/09 01:30 AM, aviewaskewed wrote: I have a boss at work that's a Green Lantern nerd...I enjoy occasionally bashing Hal Jordan and making fun of him for apparently being in H.E.A.T back in the day.

even if you're joking, don't bash Hal Jordan. Bash Kyle Rayner instead. He's the better punching bag.

At 12/2/09 08:22 AM, Fro wrote: This X-mas I'll be getting the FF7 remake for the PS2. I haven't ever played a shooter/rpg before so I feel that it's going to be quite interesting.

I hope you're referring to Dirge of Cerberus... if so, that is NOT a remake. That is a spinoff and it is horrible.

You confused me when you said "FF7 remake for the PS2"

I honestly felt like coming in here, doing a big long-post philisophical rant about this pissing contest.. but, that seems to sad. I seriously hate these competitions.

Cuz I never win loljoke

Anyway, I might as well observe, I have no intention of nominating anyone... frankly I feel out of the loop on NG users and the general forum.

Mostly because it's a very unfunny one

But, It might amuse me if I see how it goes. Though, if I were to nominate, Mendou for hottest and rapeily delicious everything... not just sigs.

I am the posts of my threads
views are my body, and replies are my blood.
I have created over a thousand thread
Unknown to bans
Nor known to deletion
Have withstood pain of many idiots to create many threads.
Yet, those threads never gain posts
So as I pray, Unlimited Thread Works!

!=reference for slow people

Hey guys, I really appreciate the response. Even if it is rather minimal. But hey, I'm glad I got the fires burning into this thread then having them fade into obscurity. So thanks. I am going to respond to your posts and I am going to keep this as short as possible. I've been busy with things that have kept me away from this thread. Watching Rifftrax (Twilight and Transformers 2), posting on other forums (well, less moronic ones with friendly faces), reading, writing for my blog (not my newgrounds blog mind you), playing video games (mostly Fate/Stay Night), drawing and sketching and searching for jobs (been lazy at that). Also plotting to kill Stephenie Meyer... but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, I will touch on the key issues you guys expressed. And I'll be honest, I did skim through while reading. But, I did catch what you guys said and argued about. All I need to do is put on some music to get the ball rolling.

Your arguments are just and profound and I am having a hard time fully disagreeing. I believe the points that emotions do factor alot to a person's actions However, I am afriad I have to correct you... and probably have to correct myself if I must.

I am ofcourse talking about the whole "emotions are minimal' thing. I have to admit somewhat, I do not know what I was thinking when I wrote that line. But I guess I was rushing a bit. Also, it doesn't help me if my wording gets rather Nietzschean. Can't help his philosophy and writing influences me. But; I must point out it seems you guys are only reading one portion of the whole sentence. The whole quote is this: "So, yes fear does factor into some of the choices that humans make, but ultimately Humans decide for themselves the choices they make and all emotional factors are rather minimal."

I can see how I confused both of you. I will say that my wording is misleading. But, the context is the same. That humans decide their choices for themselves! Emotions are powerful factors, but humans have the power to keep their emotions in order. We call this rationality. Emotions make us mammals. Rationality and ideas make us human. It's perfectly natural to feel fear and love and other emotions. It's good to release them too. It's also alright to make choices with them. But that depends on the person. An irrational person will make his emotions into a weapon, turn it into ignorance and turn a blind eye to the world and watch it rot. I usually call such irrational people politicians. But, that's a cheap shot... well, not really. Ofcourse, this is getting more into Psychology then Philosophy, but I will share an example and this is before I came to Existentialism or Philosophy altogether!

I was having a bad day at school. I was getting more upset and upset. Moving towards anger. This kid I knew who was alot bigger and stronger then me was making everything worse. Taunting me. What did I do? Should I deal with the conflict, ignore it and get through the day? Or should I attack and get my ass kicked. I attacked. I was pissed, I had my very sense of justice trampled on, my anger grew. The fact that this kid was provoking me even though I backed away became my reason. I wanted it. I let my emotions do the rest. The result? I got my ass kicked. Yeah. Foolish action looking back. No amount of emotion could make up for my lack of experience in fighting nor the fact that I attacked without a plan. I went berserker... almost.

Still, I had a reason behind my actions. I made the choice consciously and had my emotions control me. I needed to stand up and assert my self. That I will not stand for injustice. It also helped that I got the fuck out of the environment aswell. I probably went overboard and became rather irrational. But that lasted only moments. I had a reason for letting my emotions go. Probably a poor one, as they did jack shit to help me. I probably just needed to vent, let my emotions out. But, what's been done cannot be undone.

Call it what you want, make of it what you will. I did have a clear reason. I, a rational person by nature made the decision to attack. I made a foolish choice but I do not regret it... all to much.

I hope I made that clear to you on what I believe. And this has little to do with morality or philosophy really. I also ran on pretty damn long. jammering about my life like that.

I will switch focus a bit to end things on and clear everything up. We can continue this conversation whenever we have the time. Though, we can't do it forever. Still, it it pleases you to do such a thing, let's talk for as long as possible.

I will point out again I am an immoralist! In the way the Nietzsche expressed. Morals are good for the masses and people who often to reckless things. I am an immoralist based on the religions and the religious who claim I as a Godless man can not do good for man without a god and without guidance from a superstitious and archaic text. I find that laughable. But, I must say it I do have something to call a 'moral' it's this reason:I love Humanity all to much to cause it grief.

That's something I am sure religions don't do. They care not for humanity and it's grief. They only come to steal knowledge and kill free will. They have no love as I do. So they are not the path to follow.

I believe I have said enough. For now. I wish to expand but, I am busy after all. There is something that I have put off for now that I must do! That is sleep. I am fucking exhausted.

At 11/23/09 03:09 PM, Tink13 wrote:

At 11/23/09 05:10 AM, MattTheParanoidKat wrote: Atleast you could do is update your profile. You were gone a long ass time that you could your know, do a little updating for however long you're on Newgrounds for. Oh, and word to the wise, I don't think a single person here likes InuYasha. Be a bit grateful that the type have changed and we're not as elitist as we once were. Well, maybe not me because I get off on criticism. :P

excuse me as I go back to watching Rifftrax's take on Twilight. Comic gold.

OMG I totally forgot to update that somehow my aging has changed and i am now 85. I also grew a penis so I am no longer female. Seriously, wtf do you mean update?

As in add a picture, create a blog do something. When you haven't been on a website for over 3 years and that site goes through a massive change in layout, you should at the very least explore and take advantage of these new features.

OH and word to the wise, I don't give a shit. Pretty sure that the point of this club is to talk about anime. Pretty sure that's what I was doing. Don't be a dick. I'm sure there's atv least 1 person here who likes Inuyasha still but that's not my point. I expect it if I come in here saying "omg I'm super excited about the new pokemon!" but I didn't. You're just being rude.

Okay... someone completely missed the point. I wasn't trying to be rude, I don't know where the hell you got such an impression. Basically, I was trying to express the fact that in your absence every one in this club had an elitist attitude when new members arrived. Pretty much every popular or mainstream anime was considered shit, aside from a few or popular ones. That's all.

Excuse me, I am going back to Fate/Stay Night now.

At 11/23/09 04:42 AM, Tink13 wrote:

At 11/23/09 04:18 AM, Aigis wrote: It's too bad it's got next-to-none of the people you remember.

No shit. I used to run this place too. Imagine that. Not that I need anyone to remember. I still miss it. I had fun times here.

Atleast you could do is update your profile. You were gone a long ass time that you could your know, do a little updating for however long you're on Newgrounds for. Oh, and word to the wise, I don't think a single person here likes InuYasha. Be a bit grateful that the type have changed and we're not as elitist as we once were. Well, maybe not me because I get off on criticism. :P

excuse me as I go back to watching Rifftrax's take on Twilight. Comic gold.

At 11/22/09 06:49 AM, letiger wrote: Oh well fuck it. I'm tired of waiting. Now you said for me to write what i think about it. Well I woudn't really know how to do that at the moment, so now I am going to respond to each of the paragraphs with a responce. Well almost all of them.

I think I'm done with your "test". Probably sucked at it too.

Oh, thanks... but my 'test' was a few posts back. Sorry, I would have gotten back to you but I have been busy playing Fate/Stay Night. Still am so that's why I am not formally responding to your post as of now. Though, you could read my initial post while you wait and post afterwords. I will get back to you though. Pinky swear :P

So, I started playing Fate/Stay Night, and did the Fate route already. Pretty fucking awesome. So, I am thinking about watching the anime. Lord know it will be massively better than the Tsukihime adaptation... But that doesn't exist as I am so often reminded. I guess I must have hit my head somewhere, because they are convinced that Tsukihime never had an anime adaptation.

Anyway, Saber rules and Gilgamesh IS KING!

So, I am continuing Deadpool: Merc With a Mouth and got issues 2, 3 and 4. Pretty good. Though Marvel Zombies is boring. If I wanted to read zombies I'd go for Blackest Night, which is actually fucking awesome. The whole thing with Deadpool's Zombie Head is a weak plot device. Though, it does have classic Deadpool humour, the supportive female seems one dimensional but has this quirky straight man personality. So, I am optimistic it will get better.

i also picked up a Rorschach figure.

Sir, there is something about your words that I find profoundly negative. I don't know, there is something about them that your entire basis just... pisses me off.

It's a pessimistic state of mind that the human species is grounded by fear. I find it that insulting, and that any one who says that is a weak-minded individual.

Firstly, before I dive back into the topic I started I believe that humans are capable of doing things that improve society. There are emotional factors behind their actions but there is usually a far better reasoning behind everything. So, yes fear does factor into some of the choices that humans make, but ultimately Humans decide for themselves the choices they make and all emotional factors are rather minimal.

I for one am not dictated by fear. But your basis is not unreasonable, just weak. After all, people do have real and perfectly natural fears. It's natural to feel fear. However, and this is really getting back to the point of morality; that if there wasn't a fear based morality that every other basis would not exist. Which I find very pessimistic. It says that fear keeps people in line. Which is the exact purpose of religion. Like i said, George Carlin said it better than any many past or present could have.

The guideline wouldn't exist without fear? I am not happy with that statement. Like I said, my basis for not doing anything that people would consider "wrong" is I lack a reason to do so. But also, fear is not my reason. I have too much hope for the human race that I do not wish ill on them.

Plus, lets say that religious morality based on fear did not exist. You know how grand this world would be without that excess baggage? We could have reached the ends of the galaxies and our minds would probably understand our place in the cosmos a hell of a lot more. Because of mny optimism I find that commetn laughable. I guess you just don't trust humans that much. Probably for good reason.

I believe without this fear-based morality that our minds would have wandered and our natural curiosity will kick in and tell us to explore every facet of our free will. Ones concept of morality differs from the next. So they're all subjective to our own perceptions of the universe. One's morality might be something along the lines that if one person kills another, then the killer must be killed. But there is a faulty paradox to that. If that person kills, then he must be killed. It's stupid and irrational to think that way. Hence why so many laws based around fearful actions have been revoked. Still waiting for the one about Homosexuality to be revoked, but we as a society have come along way to better ourselves so it's just a matter of time that these idiot laws based on archaic and prejudice texts are gone.

Laws. That's a funny word too. Not saying that laws are bad as a law implies order.... unfortunately the Laws we have don't have absolute order. As in they must be obeyed regardless. I see human laws as just rules with harsh, but ultimately fair punishments. Depending on the crime. So, not bad, but stupid to call them laws. In the sense that there is a Law of gravity that everything has to obey.

I say this, because not everyone obey's laws. These people don't fear the people they want to victimize. They have their own morality and morals that are usually based upon a fear. Killing a bunch of people out of fear, raping them out of fear. It's not positive and it doesn't keep people in line for long.

The reality is, that no matter what happens to a person, and yes I am getting off topic again. But, people are resilient. They can handle some of the most horrible circumstances and still be able to deal with them. They aren't afraid. Fear is something that must be confronted, and dealt with. Life is really too damn short to fear others.

I think I am drawing a blank. After all, I didn't feel like posting at all, but I felt I had to respond in some way.

Depends how minor good sir. I will have to read your story and get into how a character based on myself would fit into it. Ofcourse, like I said depends how minor such as me being a character with a few lines, and essentially one dimensional or a character with a bit of a background that makes a few appearences and develops a personality within the story.

This depends on the writer though, so yes I would love to be in the story, and I doubt I have to tell you my name good sir. Plus there are many, many alternative spellings to my name.

So, hope you pick my name sir.

Hey people. I have always been interested in astronomy and science and have recently watched Cosmos by Carl Sagan. I demand all people watch it, it's awesome. So, I will post here time from time.

Here's some awesome science here for you

At 11/15/09 04:29 AM, Aigis wrote:

At 11/15/09 02:53 AM, JohnnyWang wrote: In other unrelated news, there is no Anime on Finnish TV. Ever.

Except some films every now and then, but still pretty damn rarely. I was lucky to catch Tokyo Godfathers last christmas.

Same here in New Zealand, really.

There's the usual kid's shit on Cartoon Network that I have no interest in, but there hasn't been anything that I've wanted to watch since Fullmetal Alchemist aired a few years ago at 2am.

Canada aswell if you don't have specialty channels of whatever. The only anime I've seen in recent years that's good is Akira. Ironically enough, as soon as I started watching Pretty Cure and started to like it, YTV decides not to show it. Fuck, i'd rather watch Pretty Cure in English with it's horrible English theme than watch Bleach or Naruto in any language.

At 11/12/09 10:31 PM, SpiffyMasta wrote:
You're more than welcome to, I don't know much about theology but I'm sure I have ideas about morals and morality. Maybe something you say will spark some thoughts in my head.

The floor is yours my friend.

Thank you, I would like to title this:

The Tragedy of Morality

Oh, how long have we been on this planet? The Earth is over 4 billion years old, but we're not 4 billion years, we're not even close. Our human species has been around for a good 3 million years. But, that's very recent. Beings before us, were grand and massive. Dinosaurs we called them, are all gone. Nothing left of them. How is it that we surpassed these creatures? I guess, dumb luck. A certain sequence of events had to transpire. But, we weren't as fast or strong as the Dinosaurs, we didn't have the teeth or the claws they had. We were as good as doomed, if not for our advantage. Our brains.

We, the human species have a marvelous brain. We have done many things with it. We tamed fire, we built tools and we developed civilizations with it. Humans are curious, and full of wonder and imagination we grew and prospered with this. We discovered and created many wonderful things out of our own powerful brains. Out of this brain came the concept of morality. Not a bad concept. Evolved out of our instinct to help one each other and the satisfaction we get out doing so. The basic three 'morals' that most humans share are: Don't kill each other, don't lie to each other and don't steal from one another.

I for one do think these 3 are good ideas. But I am something of an immoralist. I believe morals are essentially good for the masses but often are chaotic when misused. In a sense, I believe that those particular morals really are the only ones that work. But only because I have no reason to kill, steal or lie. That's really just all there is too it. I have no reason to kill or harm other people because I have a great love for all of mankind. I have no reason to steal from others as I don't feel I need anything else. I have no reason to lie, because although I lie from time to time I am ultimately a terrible liar and prefer to be honest to others and have a great contempt for dishonesty as a whole.

Now, there are many other so called "morals" but I am looking at the main three for what we closely associate with "morals." Atleast in the Judaic-Christian religions and other religious sects. Now, I am no scholar of any religious doctrine and have very little experience with religion as a whole. This may invalidate my opinion on the matter of morals and morality, but that's up to you. As there are more learned individuals on the matter of religious morals and doctrines than I. A few examples being Penn & Teller's show Bullshit, and the documentary Religulous by Bill Maher. You know, people who have read the Bible or any religious text cover to cover and have noted it's questionable morals. Although, it requires an open mind and a bit of research, you'll find plenty of people renouncing the morality of the so call "Good Book." From people like Richard Dawkins to, some could argue Carl Sagan. Though, I am not confident that Dr. Sagan rejected religious morality, he is merely a skeptic on pseudo-sciences. So, I will back away from that a tad.

But, the religious view of morality, I find is very contradicting. I have been backing away from Islam, mostly because I don't know much about it. But I will say this oppression of women doesn't not advance society. Why treat women as second class citizens when they are the key to human survival? Why prohibit masturbation when does not actual damage and is nothing but a natural process that is more than essential to the advance our species? Then again, this culture and ideals doesn't frown upon raping women. Ofcourse, Christianity doesn't either. Atleast as shown in the bible. Now, we're back at the Judeo-Christian religion. So, lets talk about the biggest set of rules for Christian morality: The Ten Commandments.

I am pretty sure we know these, I talked about the most noticeable three earlier. Murder, Stealing and Lying. Here's how they look presented on that set of 10 rules.

Thou Shall not Kill, Thou Shall Not Steal and Thou Shall Not Bear False Witness. Now, you'll notice that the first two are direct. Don't kill and don't steal. Simple enough, were this gets in trouble though is "bear false witness." Why couldn't they call it "Thou Shall not Lie?" Well, I believe the writers of the Bible and the Ten commandments noticed that if they said that, they would be out of business.

But what about the other 7 commandments? Well, I know them. But i can't say it any better than a man named George Carlin said it. A man who I consider not only the best comedian of all time, but the last great philosopher. I'll let him do the talking: Carlin on the Ten Commandments.

I couldn't say it better if I tried. But I am not done just yet. If you look in the bible it has a lot of questionable moralities. Such as justifiable murder. God sending a flood to purify the earth (although this flood story is a direct ripoff of the Epic of Gilgamesh, a much better story). God killing the first born son of every Egyptian child (Egypt being one of the few societies to never have slaves. Atleast until the time of certain idiots called Plato and Aristotle. One who rejected the scientific method and the other who supported Slavery). Then of course we have all the tragedies committed by men who were doing "God's Work." A sort list includes 9/11, the Crusades and the Holocaust. Mao Zedong couldn't come even close to the amount of people who died in the name of a "God."

Oh thiests, how many smart and wonderful people you are to say such nonsense on how we who have no God are without proper morals. How deluded you are, as I weep for you and hope for an awakening, but alas it's futile. We without God have decided to rely in ourselves and not God for guidance. We do not need the questionable words of a mad God, a sadomasochist God. We learned trust, we learned to look for answers elsewhere. To analyze and speculate helps us venture to the stars. Thus, we go. You're more than welcome to come.

I believe I have said all I have said. I will probably say more. But, I pass the baton to someone else. For now.

At 11/12/09 08:40 PM, letiger wrote:

At 11/12/09 08:38 PM, EmEmEm wrote: Maybe because you like MONKEYS WITH... and jerking to hentai, while learing how to abducting little girls...

That was Monkey with 72 magic by the cinema snob as recommended by spoony... WITH SCIENCE!

Oh wow, how I love that picture. This is the influence I bring from other vast reaches of the internet.

With regards to that, funny thread.

Hello friends, I as an atheist and an existentialist and an avid reader of Nietzsche and also a man of science. I wanna start a little debate on Morals and Morality. I want to hear from your principles and schools of thought on the matter and what do you consider your "morals" if any.

I also would like to raise the theistic outlook on morality and how religions perceive what is good or evil. To analyze and examine and debate this outlook also.

So, can we talk about this?

At 11/9/09 08:56 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: We will continue to use an 10 point scale with decimals, which you may multiply by 10 and have it be 100 point scale if you so choose.

I am perfectly fine with this. After all, as I am only offering a suggestion. But, again I have to point out that my basis is not by simply multiplying it by 10. It's because a decimal based 1 to 10 system allows for 100 different possible ratings. Which is excessive.

At 11/9/09 08:56 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: There is not enough differentiation on a 5 point scale or even a 10 point scale to determine winners.

I agree on the fact that you need a system that determines a clear winner. This is possibly the only positive thing you can find from a decimal based system. But, what's there to say a cumulative system can't determine a winner? Ofcourse there needs to be testing. But I see no reason why it can't work.

At 11/9/09 08:56 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: And I'm sorry if you dislike the system, but when you submitted your story you agree as specified in the contest page, to abide by our system for judging. If you dislike this you are free to not participate in the future. I regret to inform you that 5 point system would only worsen the situation.

Okay, I am a bit offended by this for a few reasons. Firstly, I while I do think the system is full of problems, i am not denying that it works. It just works in a very chaotic way. Secondly, I am trying to offer a change in the way the process of judging entries, a passing suggestion based on a difference in philosophy. To create a better order in the process. I am more than willing to abide by the accepted rules, but am I not allowed to suggest a system, i think would be better? Thirdly, the fact that you said: "If you dislike this, you are free to not participate." That's the equivalent of saying "if you don't like don't watch." That just says that a person can not take criticism. That does not advance knowledge. And finally, I would like to understand your reasoning why a 5 point system can't work. Granted it would be less easy to tally the votes. There are cons to every rating system. I just happen to find that this system is less chaotic than the current one.

At 11/9/09 08:56 AM, gumOnShoe wrote:
I will, however, bring up the issue of a rubric again with my fellow judges. We have yet to establish one, though its been brought up before. If you would rather have us systematically grade your piece based on a small set of criteria rather than the wholeness of the final product, I can look into doing so and you can expect further numbers in the future.

That would cause more chaos. A piece of fiction should be judged on personal enjoyment and not via specified criteria.

There, I hoped that I explained everything better. I hope you got the message that I am offering a suggestion based on personal preferences and analysis. I accept the original system and am more than adamant to keep submitting stories with that system. I just wanted to express my views on what I think and feel is a better system to work with.

All I wanted was a review. Was that so hard to do?

At 11/8/09 12:45 PM, TheReno wrote:
I personally use numbers after a review because it expresses a whole lot more then what I said. Take what I said about rapemuffins story. Its all very good I just elaborated on a couple issues with it but all in all It was a good review, makes ya think it was near perfect. If one were to give a number grade you might think its a 9 (or 90 on your scale) but it wasnt. The issues I pointed out were a tad bigger then what they might seem. Well only the one where the detective takes the story in too quickly, and that cost some points (for me). And the reason I dont round up to even numbers is the same reason you leave a penny on the table as tip for a bad waitress, its a more powerful image.

Thats why the numbers are there, its all about showing what I cant describe. And if you dont like that, I cant review your work properly because there is just shit i cant put words to.

Maybe I could elaborate more clearly on my views on what I consider to be proper analytical review. Firstly, I don't think that using numbers in a review is essentially bad. It can be very to the point when a proper rating system is used. and a 1 to 10 scale isn't bad. But the problem with this scale it create a problem of
Four Point Scale. Ofcourse this is up to the critical fortitude of the reviewer and the interpretation of the reader. So, in reality it's more of a people problem. However, it's still a mediocre system for the fact that Four Point Scale exists. It's a critical flaw in this system. I find it gets worse, much worst when this ten point based rating system include decimals. Now you argued that using giving a piece of work a grade or, lets say 9 out of 10 would be a 90 on the example I used. I believe, you didn't get what I was trying to express. I am sorry about that, so I shall explain carefully what I was getting at.

Here's what I meant: A rating scale based on a 1 to 10 system has just that, 10 possible grades or ratings. In contrast a decimal based 1 to 10 system has a possibility of 100 different ratings. 110 if it's a 0 to 10 system, or rather a 0.0 to 10.0 system. The major problem this creates is Eight Point Eight. It's not a very good rating system I find and is not simple or cohesive.

There must be a simpler and better system of rating to use. Now, I understand that most of the people in this thread have judged and said that they understood my point of view but said that they needed a rating system with numbers to declare a clear winner. I guess it's my fault for not clearly explaining that I am not against number based rating system; not entirely atleast. I was trying to establish a need for a better system for rating.

I purpose this system. Instead of a 1 to 10 system we should just use a 1 to 5 system. It simple, it removes the Four Point Scale and the Eight Point Eight. It makes judging much more easier I find. There is less chance for jargon in reviews and you're still able to express what words can not.

Now, that being said, I still want you to review my story. Infact, I am more than willing to accept your use of your rating system. I won't let a difference in ideas or opinions keep you from doing what you offered. To review our stories at request.

So please, continue.