384 Forum Posts by "MarijuanaClock"
At 2/16/03 03:16 AM, Renegade51 wrote: Up here in Canada I dont think there where many (Or any for that matter) But if there had been I'd of been there in a heart beat. This war is wrong on so many levels. I was sickned when this whole Iraq thing started. Mostly at how no-one was saying it was wrong. I'm glad so many people think that it shouldn't happen
There were alot up here actaully :)
At 2/16/03 06:10 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: What is the point of discriminating against, insulting, or finding fault with someone's race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.?
It's like saying "Ha Ha, you have blue eyes!".
It's something they can't change, can't influence, and is in no way caused by them.
You can change the way the world percieves you though. Sure sterotyping all Americans is not right, but the fact is Americans have a history of being a arrogant, greedy, and decietful. That didn't come from nowhere, there is a reason for such a sterotype. Although not all Americans fit the profile, a great majority of them re-enforce this sterotype daily.
At 2/16/03 03:37 PM, Markus_Kangas wrote: i want the american users to answer this!
Is an american, white christian man worth more than a dark-skinned islami woman?
In my opinion, no!!!!
All the peole are worth the same!!!!
Obviously it is to an American. More people die daily from poverty and hunger then all of those who died on september 11th. More civilians were murdered in afganistan then all of those who died on september 11th.
The majority of Americans only care about loss of life when it directly affects them. To say otherwise is being ignorant of America's actions in the past.
At 2/16/03 04:01 AM, Mojimbo wrote: mainly cause i got bored of general, and wanted to see how this forum looked, although it looks different, im a general hippie!! peace man, smell a flower, lets share condoms dude!!
PLEASE DIE, KTHNX
At 2/15/03 03:03 AM, PrivatePartsxirbx wrote: I have posted this exact same post into another thread.
Then why the fuck would you post it again?
Why is this in the political forum?
At 2/15/03 11:51 PM, Shrapnel wrote: I'm joining this club because I hear you guys have free donuts.
Damn, there were free donuts?
Maybe I should join after all.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=arctic_wohlstand
At 2/15/03 08:45 PM, Ted_Easton wrote: You're 17 and you shouldn't have to what?
Shouldn't have to "give a fuck"?
Fine, keep all your fucks to yourself.
See how much you're laughing when everyone else is dying from a lack of fucks and you're hoarding them all, you greedy bastard.
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At 2/15/03 05:57 PM, swayside wrote: um...wow, how awful. your point?
America is fucked up, and the American people are cold and callous?
At 2/15/03 12:38 AM, DenkSmoker wrote:At 2/15/03 12:33 AM, MarijuanaClock wrote: "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."Heh - did he say that before or after he burned the Southern states for trying that very thing?
-Abraham Lincoln
Well get to it Yanks! What are you waiting for?
Abe commands it! ^_^
True, althought one could draw a line between self determination of a nation, and self determination of only one part of said nation. The south wasn't trying to change the country, they were trying to leave the country.
Anyway, rebel you yanks, ABE COMMANDS IT!
"This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can excercise their constitutional right of amending it, or excercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it."
-Abraham Lincoln
Well get to it Yanks! What are you waiting for?
Abe commands it! ^_^
I didn't see anything on this forum about the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003. So I'm reposting what Tritoch posted on the ClockCrew political forum. At anyrate it's another step toward limiting your freedoms, and moving America into a totalitarian regime(Fascism).
Quote: Tritoch
Patiot Act 2: Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 (post #1)
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/lewis.html
http://www.pbs.org/now/transcript/t...ipt_lewis2.html
http://www.public-i.org/dtaweb/repo...L5=0&Task=Print
http://online.securityfocus.com/news/2296
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...lnews-headlines
The Document Itself
http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/patriot2-hi.pdf
or
http://infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-hi.pdf
http://infowars.com/pdfs/patriot2-low.pdf
http://josh.middlepath.com/gnn/patriot2-hi.pdf
Some quotes from the PBS interview:
quote:
MOYERS: Congressman Burton, Dan Burton, of Indiana, a very conservative congressman, who is Chairman on the Committee on Government Reform. He said recently, "An iron veil is descending over the executive branch."
Now your forte is moving information around in Washington trying to find out what's going on. Would you agree with what Congressman Burton has said here?
LEWIS: I absolutely agree with what he's saying. I mean there have been 300 roll-backs of the Freedom of Information Act since September 11th. All over America, at the state and local level, as well as the federal government. The Attorney General sent a message to every federal employee, when in doubt, deny any Freedom of Information request.
We have other things like presidential papers being sealed off. We have reporters trying to cover things in Afghanistan being locked in a warehouse and not able to file their stories. Even before September 11th, we had one reporter's home phone records seized by a grand jury without telling him or his news organization.
There's a lot of things happening with information, access to information, and efforts to stop journalism that I have not seen in 20 plus years of watching Washington and journalism and government interact. And it's not just information. It's not information for information's sake. This is about health, safety, lives…
Oh, and what do you know? Another one.
quote:
MOYERS: The House Judiciary Committee actually asked the FBI a few months ago how it has used the new powers that had been given to it under the Patriot Act. And the Justice department said, "We can't tell you that information, it's classified."
And this prompted then-Congressman then Bob Barr, from Georgia, another conservative, by the way, he said the attitude of the Justice Department seems to be that even Congress isn't entitled to know how they are using the authority that Congress gave them.
LEWIS: It's incredible. I mean, if Congress doesn't have oversight over the Justice Department and these programs, who does? That's how it's supposed to work in our constitution and in our set up for government.
MOYERS: That's one of your real concerns, isn't it? That there's no oversight when secrecy is this tight.
LEWIS: Absolutely. The Congress is the people's chance to monitor the executive branch. That is the only… it is the closest branch of government to the people. The House members are up for election every two years. If the House of Representatives and the Congress in general cannot keep a watch on the executive branch and cannot be informed about their activities. There's something very serious here.
Some quotes from the securityfocus article
quote:
A sweeping new anti-terrorism bill drafted by the Justice Department would dramatically increase government electronic surveillance and data collection abilities, and impose the first-ever federal criminal penalties for using encryption in the U.S.
A draft of the Domestic Security Enhancement Act of 2003 dated January 9th was obtained by the non-partisan Center for Public Integrity and released Friday. The 120-page proposal would further expand many of the surveillance powers Congress granted federal law enforcement in the USA-PATRIOT Act in 2001, while increasing the secrecy surrounding some government functions.
At 2/14/03 11:55 PM, implodinggoat wrote:At 2/14/03 11:47 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Perhaps we havn't seen video because the audio tapes were manufactured by the CIA.If the CIA was going to manufacture something why not just fake a corpse? They have the means to bullshit it.
How does a corpse help them outrage the American people?
Wouldn't a corpse pacify/satisfy the American people, knowing the evil behind 9-11 was dead?
No, you see an audio tape will enrage the American people. In fact, it will get the American people pumped for war. It will make the American people sign away their civil liberties to "guard" against terrorism. It will help the ruling elite to get that oil.
Corpse? pffft, give the CIA some credit, they've been fucking with the world for 50 years now.
Perhaps we havn't seen video because the audio tapes were manufactured by the CIA.
At 2/14/03 10:43 PM, Spike_J_Wolfwood wrote: Pulled a Homer did we?....... Why isn't this locked yet?
Not sure O_o
Humanity has always been violent, even before there was religion we were violent. Religion was/is just another avenue for said violence.
Religion has been used to start conflicts, but even as religion falls other controling factors emerge. Religion is/was just a tool for the same evil, that evil being greed and control.
I'm not saying organized religion is right, it certainly is wrong, but it's just a tool for humanity's "bigger" problem. Not the root cause itself.
At any rate, as religion falters, greed will either win out and proliferate through terror(Fascism) or a new brotherhood of man will emerge(Communism, and no the Soviet model was not true marxism).
O_o
At 2/14/03 09:31 PM, swayside wrote: firstly, marajuanaclock, this isn't a how you take your coffee kind of argument. this is right and wrong.
secondly, go ahead and explain your socialism/communist difference argument.
First off, if you only see the world in black and white your are a sad individual.
Secondly, Please read up on political ideology, or at the least look at the political spectrum. Many countries incorperate asspects of socialism, such as Sweden, France, and even Canada to a lesser degree.
Communism-Socialism-Liberalism-Conservatism-Fascism
so·cial·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (ssh-lzm)
n.
The stage in Marxist-Leninist theory intermediate between capitalism and communism, in which collective ownership of the economy under the dictatorship of the proletariat has not yet been successfully achieved.
com·mu·nism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (kmy-nzm)
n.
A theoretical economic system characterized by the collective ownership of property and by the organization of labor for the common advantage of all members.
Communism
A system of government in which the state plans and controls the economy and a single, often authoritarian party holds power, claiming to make progress toward a higher social order in which all goods are equally shared by the people.
The Marxist-Leninist version of Communist doctrine that advocates the overthrow of capitalism by the revolution of the proletariat.
At 2/14/03 03:59 PM, swayside wrote: in the tollerance topic, slizor stated in response to my statement that "socialism is stealing, pure and simple" that "capitalism is atealing, pure and simple".
slizor, i'd really like to see you explain this in a way that makes sense.
The bourgeoisie steal from society as a whole. They hurt society for their own personal gain.
It's all prespective really, lets look at the word itself:
steal ( P ) Pronunciation Key (stl)
v. stole, (stl) sto·len, (stln) steal·ing, steals
v. tr.
To take (the property of another) without right or permission.
Under Marxist ideology wealth should be shared equally, when the bourgeoisie violate this convention they are stealing from society. You don't see it as stealing because you don't suscribe to Marxist ideology; however, someone who does suscribe to Marxist ideology does view Capitalism as stealing.
Just as a Capitalist views Marxism as stealing, a Marxist views Capitalism as stealing.
It's all perspective.
Secondly stop confussing Marxism/Communism with Socialism, they're two different things.
At 2/14/03 04:06 PM, TheEvilOne wrote: We have a sizable number of allies ready to provide support.
Damn right! The UK and ....... like ..... um ..... Spain ... and ...... um Poland!
Good thing you have the Poles on your side!
Hahahahaha!
At 2/13/03 01:03 PM, Morextremist wrote: No, I don't mean that a dictator is going to seize power and turn it into communist nation, but do you think its turning communist naturally?
With illegal immigrants pouring in, a declining economy, and living standards these factor are going to cause a political nightmare sometime down the road. the only feasible option would be communism or anarchy. what's you opinion on the future of America?
Hahaha, wait, can't stop laughing, hahahaha!
America is the farthest things from communist. Really if you watch the trend America is on as of late it's moving to the right. It is becoming totalitarian, but not communist. America will surely end up fascist, a right wing totalitarian society, before it would ever turn communist.
As for illegal immigration, that isn't going to spawn a communist revolution. Illegal immigrants are deported when found, so it's not like they would have a tremendous amout of time to organize.
I'm agnostic. People are entitled to their beliefs, and as long as they don't subjegate their beliefs on to others I couldn't care.
I'll have nothing to do with religion, nor will I try to convince others to have nothing to do with religion.
In short I do not believe in organized relgion, I doubt the existance of God, but I do not care to join your club.
Good luck though.
It would be helpful if the mod could just leave a reason for closing the thread before he/she does close it. Then there is no confussion as to why the thread was closed.
kthnxbai
At 2/11/03 10:19 PM, JoseTheHorrible wrote:At 2/11/03 10:10 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: I can't believe you people thought those were real facts. I mean have a little common sense.you call amercans ignorant? the whole world hates america because we are better than them and envy us.
Americans are truely ignorant of the world around them.
Which is why Canada and many European nations have a higher standard of living then America?
Which is why Canada and many European nations have extensive social benifits as opposed to America?
You are quite ignorant my friend. :D
Who would envy the ability to destroy the world 6 times over? Besides other war mongers that is.
Canadians hate Americans, I know that for sure :D
At 2/12/03 07:16 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: Canada should invade Turkey.
It'd be the perfect move.
Canada lays low for 150 years, then suddenly shows up on the other side of the world saying, "This is ours now."
Hahahahaha!
At 2/12/03 01:53 AM, thedirtiestjamocan wrote:yeah, im a fascist all right, and you're keeping my beliefs down! let my people go! accept my ways you anti-fascist discriminating bastard!At 2/11/03 02:04 AM, thedirtiestjamocan wrote:
I didn't state you could not have your beliefs. I stated my opinion. You see thats the difference between you and I. You want to force your beliefs on others, even silence them. Whereas, most Americans promote freedom, and the free exchange of ideas.
You are pathetic, well no, ignorant fits better.
At 2/11/03 02:04 AM, thedirtiestjamocan wrote: in a couple weeks i'm holding a massice pro-war rally in the heart of berkeley... on the UC campus itself. ...... so kindly shut the fuck up and get back to doing something more useful than pretending to have a serious cause.
Whoa, censoring others because their beliefs do not fit yours. You would make a good fascist, really you would. I mean your very words disgust me. I don't care if you are pro-war, but telling other people how to think and act is wrong.
YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH AMERICA TODAY. YOU NARROW MINDED FASCIST. I SINCERLY HOPE YOU DIE SOMETIME SOON.
-MJC
I can't believe you people thought those were real facts. I mean have a little common sense.
Americans are truely ignorant of the world around them.
