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At 2/9/04 09:05 PM, red_skunk wrote:

At 2/9/04 08:12 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: Why in the world would I vote democrat! They're no different then the republicans.

What a fool you are to think the democrats are leftist. They're paid by the same people the republicans are, they're made up of the rich.

Exactly. What state do you live in? Vote Green. Or conservative, whatever.

I live in Canada. I vote for the NDP Provincialy (Democratic Socialists - they're about 12% in parliment, and are in control of several provinces), and the CPC(Communist Party of Canada) Federaly.

At 2/9/04 08:51 PM, Dagodevas wrote:

At 2/9/04 08:08 PM, MarijuanaClock wrote: The only western countries that produce enough food to feed themselves are Canada and Australia.

This is a bit off-topic, but is Australia really a “western country”? I always though it was part of the eastern hemisphere.

Western School of thought. That is to say European. Countries founded upon anglo principles(Canada, Aus, NZ, America) and then the traditional "western" countries.

ÿ Achieving a marxist society, or even socialist society, would provide a level of freedom unmatched in any capitalist nation. How can one enjoy freedom if he is not equal with his comrades. How can freedom exist in a society like ours. A society where some lead a privileged life from birth, and others are condemned to the refuse of society without even a chance at bettering their lives. The answer is there can be no freedom in a society like ours. True freedom springs from equality, freedom from basic want, and the end of exploitation.

Bourgeois “democracy” proclaims itself as the defender of freedom. Of course those in charge would suggest it is, they have everything to gain in doing so, but it is not. In a country like ours, where our government wreaks of patronage, bourgeois “democracy” is nothing more then a clubhouse for the rich. Worker’s parties(That is to say real workers parties: Marxists, socialists, social democrats - Note, there is no worker/labour parties of any size in America) are increasingly marginalised, and our government is comprised of a sickening morass of exploiters(Democrats and Republicans). Voters are offered a “choice” between two nearly identical parties.

As Marx and Engels would suggest “freedom consists in converting the state from an organ superimposed upon society into one completely subordinate to it.” Not until the truest form of democracy is achieved, that being a dictatorship of the proletariat, will the air ring of liberty. Freedom exists when the state consists of the people, not their oppressors.

I live in a capitalist society, yeah I've got freedom. The freedom to starve.

Why in the world would I vote democrat! They're no different then the republicans.

What a fool you are to think the democrats are leftist. They're paid by the same people the republicans are, they're made up of the rich.

At 2/9/04 05:35 PM, Jimsween wrote: Depends on your definition of work...

And the part about the food is a little misleading, it isn't that there isn't enough food for them, or we are taking it all, it's just that there is no means to get it to the starving.

They produce the food, in their countries, and then it is shiped here. Through old colonial opression, and neo imperialism the southern hemisphere is systimaticly raped to support the oppulence of the the north.

The only western countries that produce enough food to feed themselves are Canada and Australia.

*sigh*

I know that, I was pointing out that while the NRA protects the rights of backwoods hicks and thier guns. It also enables people like me, revolutionaries, to own guns.

Sarcasm, it's a fun thing, really, look it up.

Often I hear people say "communism does not work." How grand it is to hear them spit out this tired old cliche they have heard countless times before. Something they have been brain washed to believe.

However, communism is far from dead. This planet Earth produces more then enough food to feed every single person. All six billion of us. However, under the yoke of capitalism over half of those people(3 billion people) go hungry. Whats worse 1/5(1.2 billion) of those people have nothing to eat at all.

Now, to say communism(or socialism, as no economic system lives up to it's ideal type) would not benifit the masses is to ignore the wants of the world. To say communism will not work because humanity operates on the old "self interest principle" is wrong. Maybe you (read privileged westerners) couldn't see a marxist society working. You've been raised, either because you benifit, or because those who benifit oppress you, to believe communism does not work. Yet, over half the world wants nothing more then to eat. Over 3 billion of us want nothing more then peace, bread, and land. Nothing more then to be free of simple want.

So, before you say "commuism doesn't work," I ask you to think what, and who, keeps it from working.

You are not the majority

I believe every worker should own a gun. How else to win the revoutlion. Many leftists(read leftists, nor bourgeouise centrists) believe quite redily enjoy the fact we can access weapons. And when we win the revolution every citizen will be armed to defend against capitalist aggression.

Thank you NRA, thank you for helping those who want to over throw capitalism!

I live in Canada, and it sucks. It's a capitalistic hell hole. That being said it's not as bad as America, but it still sucks. And it's getting worse everyday.

At 2/7/04 03:49 AM, Dr_Arbitrary wrote: I think that that is a 'little' bit exaggerated. I will admit that the Right Wing does have significant corporate backing, it is just plain naive to make the claims that are made in that quote.

By making the same claims that Republicans have made about the media you only make yourself seem like a whiner. Both wings are extremely well funded, and not by individuals.

Liberalism is not left wing.

Neo-liberalism or “big-L Liberalism” advocates a laissez faire economic regime, i.e., the right of property-owners to exercise the power of money unhindered by regulations, redistributive taxes and so on. Economic liberalism therefore easily makes common cause with the traditional sources of conservative politics — the landed aristocracy and Christian fundamentalists. Neo-liberalism favours reliance on market forces to resolve social problems, rather than methods of state regulation.

Canada's military is quite poor. Why do we need a military though? Who hates Canada. No one really. And even if someone does hate Canada, if they're going to go to the trouble of attacking us, then they would attack America instead. Because let's face it, everyone(read everyone except Isreal) hates America.

It is not possible to define race on biologicaly. Only cultural constructions of race are possible. Even though the average person conceptualizes "race" in biologcal terms. For all purposes it is best to use the term "ethnic group" when talking about a group of similar people.

Nationalities are ethnic groups that once had, wish to gain/regain, autonomous political status(Ie - A Country).

I hope that helps.

Capital punishmetn does not work. Americans are so blinded with rage and revenge. If only they'd put half as much time into feeding the poor.

You, my friend, are what we call a complete moron.

You see capital punishment does not work. It never has worked. If you like compare America with say Canada or Western Europe(where the laws are more focused on rehabilitaion, and less on revenge). You'll see a far lower violent crime rate. The solution is not more bars, walls, prisons, and police. That is reactionary, stupid, and ignorant.

If you want to stop crime you need to fight it's cause. Poverty, hunger, suffering, and misery. This is basic strain theory here. I swear every conservative in America should take an introductory sociology course. Though, they don't really have the intelligence.

I'd also like to note that it's not just the poor who commit crime. The middle class commites relatively little crime, but the upper class comits a great deal of it. Not that we see any of them in jail. No wonder though, they make the rules.

Often I hear conservatives complain of the "liberal media." This is absolutley absurd! To answer, I will enlist the help of Mike Parenti. Additionaly I suggest you read Dirty Truths, great book.

quote:
Free Speech--At a Price
From Dirty Truths by Michael Parenti

What does it mean to say we have freedom of speech? Many of us think free speech is a right enjoyed by everyone in our society. In fact, it does not exist as an abstract right. There is no such thing as a freedom detached from the socio-economic reality in which it might find a place.

Speech is a form of interpersonal behavior. This means it occurs in a social context, in homes, workplaces, schools, and before live audiences or vast publics via the print and electronic media. Speech is intended to reach the minds of others. This is certainly true of political speech. But some kinds of political speech are actively propagated before mass audiences and other kinds are systematically excluded.
Ideologically Distributed
In the political realm, the further left one goes on the opinion spectrum the more difficult it is to gain exposure and access to larger audiences. Strenuously excluded from the increasingly concentrated corporate-owned media are people on the Left who go beyond the conservative-liberal orthodoxy and speak openly about the negative aspects of big capital and what it does to people at home and abroad. Progressives people, designated as "the Left," believe that the poor are victims of the rich and the prerogatives of wealthy and powerful interests should be done away with. They believe labor unions should be strengthened and the rights of working people expanded; the environment should be rigorously protected; racism, sexism, and homophobia should be strenuously fought; and human services should be properly funded.

Progressives also argue that revolutionary governments that bring social reforms to their people should be supported rather than overthrown by the U.S. national security state, that U.S.- sponsored wars of attrition against reformist governments in Vietnam, Nicaragua, Angola, and a dozen other countries are not "mistakes" but crimes perpetrated by those who would go to any length to maintain their global privileges.

To hold such opinions is to be deprived of any regular access to the major media. In a word, some people have more freedom of speech than others. People who take positions opposing the ones listed above are known as conservatives or rightwingers. Conservative pundits have a remarkable amount of free speech. They favor corporations and big profits over environmental and human needs, see nothing wrong with amassing great wealth while many live in poverty, blame the poor for the poverty that has been imposed upon them, see regulations against business as a bureaucratic sin, and worship at the altar of the free market. They support repressive U.S. interventions abroad and pursue policies opposed to class, gender, and racial equality.

Such rightists as Rush Limbaugh, William F. Buckley Jr., John McLaughlin, George Will, and Robert Novak enjoy much more exposure to mass audiences than left liberals and populists like Jim Hightower, Jerry Brown, or Ralph Nader. And all of them, conservatives and liberals, enjoy more exposure than anyone on the more "radical" or Marxist Left.

It is the economic power of the rich corporate media owners and advertisers that provides right-wingers with so many mass outlets, not the latter's wit and wisdom. It is not public demand that brings them on the air; it is private corporate owners and sponsors. They are listened to by many not because they are so appealing but because they are so available. Availability is the first and necessary condition of consumption. In this instance, supply does not merely satisfy demand; supply creates demand. Hence, those who align themselves with the interests of corporate America will have more freedom of expression than those who remain steadfastly critical.

People on the Left are free to talk to each other, though sometimes they are concerned their telephones are tapped or their meetings are infiltrated by government agents and provocateurs-- as has so often been the case over the years. Leftists are sometimes allowed to teach in universities but they usually run into difficulties regarding what they say and write and they risk being purged from faculty positions. Likewise, they are free to work for labor unions but they generally have to keep their politics carefully under wraps, especially communists.

People on the Left can even speak publicly but usually to audiences that seldom number more than a few hundred. And they are free to write for progressive publications, which lack the promotional funds to reach mass readerships, publications that are perennially teetering on the edge of insolvency for want of rich patrons and corporate advertisers.

In sum, free speech belongs mostly to those who can afford it. It is a commodity that needs to be marketed like any other commodity. And massive amounts of money are needed to reach mass audiences. So when it comes to freedom of speech, some people have their voices amplified tens of millions of times, while others must cup their hands and shout at the passing crowd.

There is no point to voting. Either way you will be exploited. Stop bourgeouis "democracy," raise your rifle high and take your freedom. Stand together and work together. For a better society, revolution is the only answer.

First off, is there really a difference between Neo Liberalism(Or economic liberalism) and Neo/Radical Conservatism. Really both assert the right of the bourgeouise to exploit other class. Economicly they are similar beyond any real division. Why do Americans pit the two against each other when it really doesn't matter witch gets in? Where are the social democrats, where are the marxists, where are the anarchists? Where is the choice!

America is a one party dictatorship masquerading as two party "democracy."

http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=149133

So what do you think?

Ahem, well I yet again do NOT have a snow day. Now, it seems to me, everyone who lives on the coast gets these wonderful little breaks called snowdays. For even the smallest amount of snow. Perhaps 3 inches. Oh wow, three inches!

Here, in the okanagan, however, I must contend with a temp around -19 to -15C. On top of that I must trudge through two feet of snow! Yes, 2 feet of snow.

I will not recieve a snow day, no not for this Canadian. So, on this wonderful day I would just like to say: *stabs you all in the face*

At 1/7/04 02:46 PM, WadeFulp wrote: Your plot has been exposed:

http://www.nettoon.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1417

So you all want to gang up and vote down IllWill's entries? Try and blam them? This is BS. It's fine if you don't care for them, but to organize yourselves and attack his entries like this is not right. It will be a shame terminating all the accounts of those involved.

whoa, ok first off I didn't have anything to do with this. Secondly don't blame the entire clock crew.

Additionaly, while ClockGrounds [ www.clockgrounds.com (I'm an admin there)] does not support this action we are not going to censor what people post(if it does not break the rules), and we certainly can't control the actions of individuals.

We are all rational, independent people who exercise free will. The clock crew on a whole is not to blame.

-MarijuanaClock
-Clockgrounds.com

At 12/22/03 02:44 AM, Dobio wrote: ^^

Got it. Merci beaucoup.

frog

At 12/22/03 01:58 AM, Shrapnel wrote: That's what Guybrush says and then they all laugh at him.

But seriously, someone come to my house and kill me and then go through my phone book and kill everyone in it.

Actually, someone just nuke British Columbia.

Thanks.

Only no. Hell I'll kill you, just leave BC alone.

o.O

It's kinda boring

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At 5/25/03 11:44 PM, alejandro1 wrote:

At 5/25/03 10:52 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: a lot of liberal propoganda

Reading that confirmed my already established belief: liberals will continously take away our rights as we move closer and closer to socialism.

As oppossed to the current conservative administration in America, which is taking away your rights and moving you closer and closer to fascism .........

This is coming up on the CBC(Canadian Broadcsting Corperation) tommorow night. It looks like a good watch. Just a look at the American propaganda machine. If you live near the boarder you might get CBC. Otherwise there's probably no way in hell this will be shown in America.

http://www.cbc.ca/passionateeyesunday/feature_250503.html

WAR SPIN: THE TRUTH ABOUT JESSICA
on Sunday, May 25

Some stories are just too good to be true. The BBC's Correspondent program examines the United States' propaganda machine during the Iraq war and questions its version of the daring rescue of Private Jessica Lynch who lay trapped behind enemy lines. THE PASSIONATE EYE, hosted by Michaëlle Jean, features the North American television première of the documentary War Spin: The Truth About Jessica, Sunday, May 25 at 10 p.m. ET (10 p.m. PT) on CBC Newsworld.

Private Jessica Lynch became an icon of the war, and the story of her capture by the Iraqis and her rescue by US Special Forces became one of the great patriotic moments of the conflict. But her story is one of the most stunning pieces of news management ever conceived.

BBC reporter John Kampfner exposes inconsistencies in the official version of the rescue in Iraq of Private Lynch. War Spin: The Truth About Jessica challenges the Pentagon's version of a story that boosted American morale during a sticky point in the Iraq War as part of its investigation into allied propaganda.

Private Lynch, a 19-year-old clerk from Palestine, West Virginia, was captured when her company took a wrong turn just outside Nasiriya and was ambushed. Nine of her comrades were killed and Lynch was taken to the local hospital, which at the time was swarming with Iraqi soldiers. Eight days later, US Special Forces stormed the hospital, capturing the dramatic Hollywood-style rescue on a night vision camera. But doctors interviewed by Kampfner claim Iraqi forces had left the hospital well before this happened.

Reports claimed that she had stab and bullet wounds and that she had been slapped about on her
hospital bed and interrogated. But Iraqi doctors in Nasiriya say they provided the best treatment they
could for the soldier in the midst of war. "I examined her, I saw she had a broken arm, a broken thigh and a dislocated ankle," said Dr. Harith a-Houssona, who looked after her. "There was no [sign of] shooting, no bullet inside her body, no stab wound - only road traffic accident. They want to distort the picture. I don't know why they think there is some benefit in saying she has a bullet injury."

Witnesses told the filmmakers that the special forces knew that the Iraqi military had fled a day before they swooped on the hospital. The aim was to capture images that would swing public opinion behind the war here and in the US and encourage Iraqis to believe Saddam's grip had loosened before it actually had.

Kampfner also traces the roots of the controversial tactic of embedding cameras and reporters with military units to the Hollywood blockbusters Pearl Harbour and Black Hawk Down.

I don't hate America or Americans. I don't hate anything. I dislike America's administration and foriegn policy.

At 5/4/03 09:41 PM, NJDeadzone wrote:
then would you support (with military force if necessary) the tolerance and integrations of jews into the Arab world similarly to the 1950s American integration of african americans into white society?

The boats kinda sailed on that one dude, Israel exists now. There's no changing that. I support the creation of a seperate palestinian state. The peaceful, yet seperate, co-existance of arabs and jews.