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At 5/25/10 11:41 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 11:18 PM, Kakashi1930 wrote: but like we both said :3,

you, me... and just about every other text book out there lol

I understand the theory. I just suck at execution. Though you guys did give me an idea or two. Sometimes ya just gotta hear it again lol.

At 5/25/10 11:21 PM, PixelCake wrote: oh, damn. It only looks sloppy because you're doing it by hand and it's sketchy.
I use the pen tool which makes everything smooth and quick ^_^

Coloring is giving me one hell of a time. You guys make look so easy lol.

Thanks guys.

WIP. Still coloring. Gawd dammit.

So, as you may have noticed. i SUCK at shading. Any advice?

At 5/25/10 10:36 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 10:31 PM, MajesticBob wrote: I gotta say thanks for being so helpful. I was kinda afraid to post a thread, as I've seen some nasty responses. Though to be fair It's usually directed at ass-bags or trolls. Still fairly intimidating.

don't worry, as time progresses we'll have you manning the blam cannons one day :P
lol.
Some of us try to be professional.... some are here for fun... then their is JoeToucan....

He confuses me, one minute he's making a valid point. The next he's raping a piece of gum. Funny either way, just confusing.

At 5/25/10 10:25 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 10:19 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Gel pen is all I have to work with. Well not completely true. I have Ink and Quills but I hate those fuckers. They always puke up ink one second and go bone dry the next.

yeah I remember learning how to use those, talk about a mess. although I do keep around bottles of ink in case I have to to large black areas where I can use a brush . Other than that I like to use Microns, and Steadler and I like the Pilot V-7 when I;m on the go

I gotta say thanks for being so helpful. I was kinda afraid to post a thread, as I've seen some nasty responses. Though to be fair It's usually directed at ass-bags or trolls. Still fairly intimidating.

At 5/25/10 10:11 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 10:03 PM, MajesticBob wrote: I kinda don't want to tell you, 'cause you'll yell at me. LOL. No really. I photocopy the pencil using my awesome multi- function printer. Then I go over it with a gel Pen. Real low tech I know. Then I clean it up/ add lines an such in GIMP.

other than the Gel Pen that is not a bad way to go about it.
I prefer a water proof inks and technical pens if I don't ink digitally.
I've been known to draw something, the scan it, clean it up print it out on higher quality paper then ink that printing and color with markers.

Gel pen is all I have to work with. Well not completely true. I have Ink and Quills but I hate those fuckers. They always puke up ink one second and go bone dry the next.

At 5/25/10 09:45 PM, PixelCake wrote: fixed dem fat lineweights...other stuff is left fat for shading purposes!

and i wanna see your inking ;) I won't take your word for it :D

I have a tread, there's an example there. It's been awhile since I took this seriously, as I like to experiment. But Kinsei and Ashman (amoung others) have encouraged me to take a more tried and true approach.

I kinda don't want to tell you, 'cause you'll yell at me. LOL. No really. I photocopy the pencil using my awesome multi- function printer. Then I go over it with a gel Pen. Real low tech I know. Then I clean it up/ add lines an such in GIMP.

Slow going. WIP 2. Now with pole-arm!

At 5/25/10 09:31 PM, PixelCake wrote: finally done inking. it looks sloppy now but when I shrink it to a smaller size it won't look so bad.
http://twitpic.com/1r3581 now to fix lineweights and i can color dis bitch

You think that's sloppy? HA! You should see my version of "inking" It's so sloppy I have to put air quotes around inking.

At 5/25/10 08:55 PM, kiiryu wrote: Look, artwork.

Well, maybe, it all depends whether or not I actually know what I'm doing.

Hot Damn.

WIP

See? Monkey can learn! Monkey sketch! And am surprised by the results. Please form a line for I told you so's.

At 5/25/10 07:34 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 07:31 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Then a great craving for Taco Bell ovtakes me and it all goes down hill from there.

I know the feeling... It's like when I start drinking whiskey... then I wanna watch the Princess Bride.. then I wanna cook pasta with Broccoli and Cheese.

I really have no clue why those three things like together like that....

But anyway the more you practice, the more natural things will become, even when just doodling.

Whiskey tells me to draw hot naked anime chicks, and that never pans out. It always ends with on my lawn screaming KAGOME!!! Just kidding. Well exept for that one time...

At 5/25/10 07:19 PM, Kinsei01 wrote: Art as a hobby and a relaxation technique is good. I guess the reason I went for a career in art is because I found it fun. Although sometimes it's more stressful than relaxing.
Although a hobby for you, it won't hurt to learn the basics. And although you have a valid point about conforming, but that truly only applies to the basics. Once you learn those then they become more of a powerful tool rather than a conformity. Some of the most eccentric artist like Picasso, Keith Haring, and even Andy Warhol studied the basics, any they are/were anything but conforming.

True. I have done the basics and they are a powerful tool, and if I get inspired I might start using them more. But most of the time my brain goes: "Your bored. Go draw Spiderman! There's no time for scetching! Damn the basics! Draw Spiderman now!" Then a great craving for Taco Bell ovtakes me and it all goes down hill from there.

Again, I'm not knocking or ignoring advice. I'm taking it all in stride. If any of my responses seem defensive I apologize.

At 5/25/10 05:58 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 05:52 PM, MajesticBob wrote: I get it. I always just drew what was in my mind and if it looked wrong I redrew it till it looked better. I know that's the wrong way but old habbits are hard to break. I'll try rough sketching and see if I can get the hang of it. I really do appreciate the advice and help. Just bear with me I been drawing this way for a long time and kinda set in my ways.

well break the habit. plain and simple.
if you don't, your not going to get much farther as a artist. You need to study some basics. Simple life drawing classes will aid you quite a bit.
Start drawing from life, learn about underlying structures, study form and composition.

This may seem cruel, but abandon what you want to draw and pick up what you need to draw. After you start to get those skills down, then you can start drawing what you want to draw again.

You make sense. No doubt. However. Art is free expression. If I draw According to lessons and tried and true methods it is art, but it feels like a form of conformity and structure that seems to suck the fun out. Don't get me wrong, your Advice is 100& valid. I appreciate it. I will use most of it. However, I'm not trying to be the next great artist. I draw, doodle, MSPaint because it's fun and relaxing, I was once upon a time Trained as a Graphic artist. But thats a far cry from here. Though any and all art skills help. I did subtle things, layouts and such things that our taken for granted. I don't do that much anymore either. not for about 12 years. I have books and reference material. I could take classes. But I like to experiment. Again everything you say is true and I do appreciate and use the advise given. But my drum beats a little differently. I'll incorporate what fits me, improve what can, and value the the advice/criticism of others. I hope that does not come off as rude or disrespectful. Nor am I saying I don't want advice, just don't put it so harsh. Your great artist. I respect that. I'm not, I want to be better, but not if it means sacrificing what i fnd so relaxing about it.

I get it. I always just drew what was in my mind and if it looked wrong I redrew it till it looked better. I know that's the wrong way but old habbits are hard to break. I'll try rough sketching and see if I can get the hang of it. I really do appreciate the advice and help. Just bear with me I been drawing this way for a long time and kinda set in my ways.

WIP Spider Man Bust Sketch. Not sure I like how it came out.

At 5/25/10 05:27 PM, Kinsei01 wrote:

At 5/25/10 04:20 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Finished.

Quick Question!
can we see your underdawing for this?

The original sketch? Yeah it's posted a few posts up. Infact I have been posting it through the stages.

At 5/25/10 05:20 PM, Havegum wrote:

At 5/25/10 04:20 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Finished.

Well, the ground looks like it's going vertical instead of horizontal to me, and he lacks a bit of shading

Y'know your absolutely right. But for some reason I like how it came out. In future pics I'll push the shading more. No doubt it lacks there. I know this pic could use improvement, But Like I said I'm happy with it. Reminds me of the drawings on the back of 'Hop Along Cassidy's Cereal" Don't know why, but it just feels right. Maybe I'm just weird. 'Cause it could use some shading. I dunno. I like it.

Finished.

Added color, Next Back Ground and shading/ lighting.

At 5/25/10 12:55 PM, big-jonny-13 wrote: This here might also give you some help with working out proportions.

Thanks Johnny!

Ok I've taken all advice so far, like extending the knee so the arm does not reach it. And this is what I got so far. Also I fixed the gun position. It was bothering me.

At 5/25/10 12:35 PM, Ashman wrote:

At 5/25/10 12:23 PM, MajesticBob wrote: Ok, added hips, extentended torso. fudged up on the gun belt but it still looks ok.

when your arms reach down to your knees, its not ok, if your looking for realistic proportions then your a way off, even cartoons need some, ok prepare for tutorials and help

tutorials
anatomy and poses

Thanks for the advice Ashman. I actually have a number of books to reference, but the added info helps. Course reading and practice are two different animals. Lol. I'll keep on trucking.

Ok, added hips, extentended torso. fudged up on the gun belt but it still looks ok.

Thanks y'all. I appreciate the advise.