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At 2/13/13 10:25 PM, notYert wrote: the united states is an evil hypocritical murderous country

Solely because they are in league with the infamous LAPD, am I doing stupid, paranoid conspiracist right?

I think, personally, when it comes down to it, the only thing these men had in common, were that they were both dictators and lacking in any morals what so ever.

As to who is more evil, I think is subjective.

I mean the comparison really is night and day.

Hitler was a dreamer, Stalin was a pragmatist.

You watch Hitler's speeches and understand german (I know a bit and in my class we watched a series on him) you can see it. His promises are all so grand, and built on the idea of some great awakening, and they way he conducts himself he got so caught up in simple things like speeches and ceremonies (of which he had far too many to count).

He was big of pageantry and spectacles, and most importantly tradition. The man lived in a fantasy world, and when he beat France he was on an ego trip, man viewed himself as God. And in this state, he was very benevolent (to his own) and trusted the war to his generals, and let subordinates run the country.

He was just content to sit back and take the credit, it's all he ever really wanted any way, though he'd stoop to despicable means to achieve it.

Stalin, as I said was paranoid, but yes for good reason, but it drove a lot of his actions. He constantly tried to take the easy way, in terms of ruling the USSR. I mean the whole pact with Germany was done so he had a buffer, if France and the UK attacked they hit Germany first not him. I wouldn't necessarily call it cowardly, but he really was Machiavellian.

If Germany never rose to power, ww2 would be between the USSR and a great Communist union against the Free World. Basically the Cold War turned hot.

Fascism rose just at the right time to curb communism, and had hitler never rose to power, Spain would turn communist and from there the pincers would move in. Hell we were so afraid of it we almost had ww2 right after ww1 with the Allied Intervention.

At 2/13/13 10:12 AM, kisame wrote: Lumber's tears are fucking delicious

So siding with the law is me crying?

Clearly you're such a big man because you refuse to follow the rest of society, I'm just a lowly sheep with useless morals, I guess you are the better man.

Honestly trying to reason to you people is about as productive as trying to watch paint dry.

At 2/12/13 09:49 PM, Elitistinen wrote: I have spoken to a die-hard moron that believes in everything cops said without thinking for a sec. A true sheeple.

Right, because believing in a man who killed a couple, because he was too cowardly to go out and face the LAPD head on like he ranted about for 6000 words, and give them hell as if he was capable of launching some sort of one man war, despite the fact he was only in the Navy Reserve and isn't near the level of some say a regular Marine or Soldier. All Because he was fired, as in you can now longer work as a police officer, something that I'm sure happens to thousand other cops.

And by the way, what makes him an, ex-cop different from the rest, because he was sold out., because he opened fire on them? Tell me if he was never fired, do you honestly think he would of acted the way he has?

Please enlighten me, a lowly ignorant unthinking conformist, so that I can see the light you so clearly bask in.

At 2/12/13 09:36 PM, Elitistinen wrote:

At 2/12/13 09:30 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote:

At 2/12/13 09:25 PM, TheKlown wrote:

Risk their 'lives' to 'capture' Dorner? They were fucking shoot at anything that look like Dorner and they even considered on using drone. How fucking naive can you be? The whole fucking LAPD is after ONE guy. They want to kill him quick and silent (news media were called off where they believe he was hiding).

Dumbass, the drone they used wasn't outfitted with hellfire missiles. And you're telling me they can call off the news media. So then why is it a 10k man force can wave off every news media aviable for, as you said one guy, where as Bush can't do the same when he's torturing thousands.

You expect me to believe they have more pull than the president of the United States.

And no the WHOLE LAPD is after one guy because if that's the case, then you're telling me that right now at Big Bear, they have 10000 cops while all of Los Angeles is currently devoid of cops?

And what could this man possibly have on them that they would want to kill him so bad? They just shot 3 more people, that's terrible incompetence yes, but do you know what the reaction was to that, fucking close to nothing. Why didn't they cover that up?

So after just fucking up in front of millions on the internet and televisions across America and facing hardly any backlash for it, what could be so important this man has on them? Are they in league with Xenu and the NWO?

Please don't throw around naivety as if you even have a fucking clue what it truly means.

At 2/12/13 09:25 PM, TheKlown wrote: I'm 26, and it's just my opinion. Why do you act like Police are so innocent?

Please, explain to me why they aren't.

This isn't the Medieval ages, where the knights get castles, land, women, and power from enforcing the King's rule.

Cops don't live out in expensive mansions and reap the benefits of the tax payer's dollars. I know cops, and half of them can barely even send their kid through school.

Now tell me what reward is in that job, where you put your life on the line, where men just risked their lives to capture this guy and others like him every day in the line of duty.

Because I can sure as shit tell you right now that if you expect me to believe that those men who risked their lives, just so they could cover up a fucking firing gone wrong, and let their friends keep their low wage life risking job, when they could've said 'fuck this it's your problem' like you want to paint all cops as, then you sir, truly earned your screen name.

Right people, let's listen to a a kid from New Jersey, on Newgrounds no less, than several dozen well established and credited News Organizations, with every member spending years of his or her life to the journalism, just because he has a hunch that cops several thousand miles on the other side of the country are collaborating with them in some national conspiracy, of which no one, save the PD themselves, have anything to gain.

Because apparently in the minds of you people, this makes sense.

God Help us if this is what my next generation looks like.

At 2/12/13 08:52 PM, TheKlown wrote:

At 2/12/13 08:51 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: Do you live in California or Los Angeles for that matter?

How do you know he isn't innocent? Is it because you have a problem with his skin color?

Do you even expect me to dignify this with a response? So because I have faith in a Police Force assigned and created by the United States Government, a Government mind you that's existed for 200 years, and made up of millions of people, each elected by the people, that means I'm some how racist just because this guy just so happened to be black?

People pull your heads out of your asses, wipe the shit of your eyes, and see the world for what it is.

Do you honestly think that an entire City government, fuck the Police at this point, and the entirety of the multiple national medias onBOTH sides, would lie to us for some man who attempted to wage a literal personal war, where the odds are 10,000 to 1, and we're just going by numbers here (forget even the tactical and technological difference here), just because he thinks every now and then a Cop kicks some drug addict who refuses to be arrested rather than risk the injury of simply cuffing him?

Does that sound remotely rational to you.

Let's apply Occam's razor here. What sounds much more simple and much more believable that one man snapped and went on a rampage.

Or that millions of people, so ideologically and geographically detached from one another, decided to rally around ONE police department, and lie infront of millions of people, and having all these varied (to say the least) players not slip up, because again, every now and then they arrest an obvious gang member or drug dealer on false charges.

At 2/12/13 08:49 PM, TheKlown wrote:

At 2/12/13 08:35 PM, Stretchysumo wrote: Now it looks like they're saying he got away. This motherfucker escaped again.

Right now I'm not sure he is guilty of murdering the Asian and Black man. I do not know if he really killed anyone or if the LAPD is framing him. I'm dead ass serious when I say I do not trust what the LAPD is telling us.

Please, shut the fuck up.

Do you live in California or Los Angeles for that matter?

At 2/12/13 08:39 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Any idea what sort of firearm he's using?

I know I head the media throw around the term assault rifle (their new favorite word since machine gun, at least they're getting there in terms of knowledge on these things). But as an ex-sailor and police officer, most likely some AR15 variant.

I don't understand you people. Let's remove the LAPD from the equation.

What is your problem with cops, for God's sake I feel like I'm listening to Biggie and Pac (not that they were bad rappers, they were great, but they were assholes). Fuck cops, they killas, etc.

Do you guys understand just how much more shitty and terrible life would be without them?

Yeah complain about their mistreatment of the blacks and etc, but I can guarantee you without them, these so called "wrongly accused" victims would be shooting up every one and everything.

Think cities are dangerous know with cops, just imagine for a second what they'd be like without them.

Stalin.

Hitler at least held some kindness and sympathy for his own people so long as you were a good citizen of the third reich you were safe.

Now Stalin would kill you simply because you looked at him wrong, he was entirely too paranoid and purged his own military for fear of them rebelling against him. Hitler had no such fear, the people loved him, at least until the war went bad.

At 2/9/13 09:08 PM, Bees wrote: cool how this is a fairy tale for some of you and the only time you will feel any emotion towards the situation is when it ends in "tragedy" (when he dies from two in the chest). if this guy is a cop, or ex cop, and its been admitted that one, he is biased and then generally agreed upon that cops are corrupt why do you put your backs with this guy, hypocrites? any pig can write a narrative of some bullshit they were a part of and you insipid morons would eat it up like beliebers eat up the same album over and o er rereleased as remastered and acoustic versions because it makes you feel good and important

humans are trash lol

don't waste your time with these retards. Half are probably acting like this since they're lil 'rebels'.

It's good to know this thread won't entirely be filled up with these idiots.

At 2/9/13 07:41 PM, Phobotech wrote:

At 2/9/13 07:35 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: Phobotech you are a despicable human being, you're treating a life or death situatuion as if it's a game.

Id love to drop your ignorant ass in the middle of a warzone and see how much you'd still care to see bloodshed.

You are truly deserving of the word: Pussy.

Yuck it up, kid. I'm secure enough with myself to know when death is necessary. None of us are going to make it out alive.

You have no power or weight behind your empty, distant judgements. Enjoy being powerless! Enjoy it, because none of this matters! :D

None of this matters. You don't matter. I don't matter. You are hilarious :D

You speak of life and death as if you've personally dealt with it.

Where do you come off as an authority on morality? Because everyone's entitled to their own opinion? You sound like the close minded new age 'philosophers' that make up too much of this generation.

So again where do you come off, were you a soldier, were you exposed to such violence that you can say the things you say? Because if not, then with all intents, shut up.

I don't care what you think of me, because although this probably has no impact for someone like you, 90% of this country, hell 90% of the world maybe, would agree with me on this issue, and be disgusted by your general attitude and behavior.

And for you to not even have a sliver of doubt regarding whether or not what you're saying is moral (and if you can even deny morality or give some bs about how it's all "subjective" then I'll just chalk you up to a lost hope) then all I can say is the world would truly be better off without people like you.

Phobotech you are a despicable human being, you're treating a life or death situatuion as if it's a game.

Id love to drop your ignorant ass in the middle of a warzone and see how much you'd still care to see bloodshed.

You are truly deserving of the word: Pussy.

At 2/9/13 06:12 PM, Phobotech wrote: Y'know who else could edit the content of the LAPD Wiki page?

The LAPD.

There's LIKELY tons of instances of police corruption from that particular department that nobody has even heard of. Shit that have been kept way secret.

Conspiracy has nothing to do with it...that just makes sense to me. It's not like this "blue line" thing that this guy has been talking about is anything new; cops look out for their own, especially when they have everything to lose.

But with the guy in question? He said it himself, that he's after a Camdean Victory.

"The man who wants nothing is invincible."

First the only thing this man will get is a bullet in his chest or head, and an infamous legacy, as some nut. Now he's not stupid I won't say that, he's clearly intelligent and his lil manifesto does have some good points.

The proper action here would have been a lawsuit. And if he failed he should've kept trying, many greater men before him have been faced with such adversity and over came it, through peace.

Second, the LAPD has corruption, The LAPD is NOT corrupt.

There's a difference between the two, I have no doubt they have some shady shit hidden down below, but the men searching for him are SWAT, and when's the last time there was corruption in SWAT?

And before you post me a link to innocents being killed in a crossfire between SWAT and some Goons, just know that unless you've ever been in such a situation you have no right to condemn them. The intensity and chaos in a firefight can lead to innocent deaths if there are bystanders, and that's not corruption, that's just the very nature of the subject.

Every organization since the beginning of Man has had such cases when a fight breaks out, hell even with swords and bows, now throw guns in the mix and results should be predictable.

Oh, and for the record I would love to see the firing of those dumbass cops who shot the women in the truck, it may not happen, but there's hardly an excuse for that one. I understand it was dark, but they should be investigated for that.

At 2/9/13 05:58 PM, Darthdenim wrote:

At 2/9/13 05:56 PM, TNT wrote: I am in disbelief that some of you users support his actions on killing people.

The police department being corrupt is one thing, but killing their loved ones in the process? How can you justify that?

Because people are largely immoral, and hate cops because they got pulled over once in 2004.

No because a good half of this generation is fucked up.

I'm 18, and I know that might discredit me to a degree, but still I see it all around me. A teacher gives a student a hard time because he sleeps in class, and gives the kid a well deserved failing average. And the shit will have the audacity to call said teacher an "asshole".

That's not one isolated case either I hear this shit all the time. To many people today are too self centered.

I mean for shit's sake look at facebook, the very idea of it. "Check out sick my friday nights are!", it's really just a circle jerk of ego's. Not to say that everyone who has one is self-absorbed and some hedonistic prick. But that's a different story all together.

Point being, too many people in this generation today view themselves as learned and all important, probably because we don't get enough shit.

I was kinda hoping the recession would turn into a depression just so we could be taught a lesson. The reason we got into it in the first place was because some many people think a credit card is an endless pool of wealth.

Regardless of that though, could some one explain to me WHY this man is in the right and the cops are in the wrong?

And let's please give facts and don't just spew bs about corruption. If you have a link or story that strengthens your claim then post it.

Funny note: I just went to check the LAPD on wiki, and I suppose some one of a similar mind as some of you edited the front page so the last sentence reads: " It is currently panicking over Christopher Dorner's whereabouts, thus proving the allegations of its corruption and tyranny in his manifesto correct."

However the only reason I went on was to pull up some facts:
-The LAPD is 10 k men strong, you want to tell me that EVERY man in the department is some corrupt, cop involved in some national conspiracy?
-Only 46% of the department is white, of an 82% of Males.
-During the rampart scandal, Police Chief Bernard Parks was fired, and 4 officers were fired, and arrested serving an average of around 10 years
-In 2008 an officer demanded sex from a woman he pulled over instead of an arrest, he was arrested and put in jail for 8 years.
-A detective was sentenced to 27 years in jail for a murder done in 1986.

The most recent string of 'corruption'. Is the LAPD still some big bad 'Big Brother' organization still? And can we stop painting every single cop in Los Angeles as being crooked, or deserving to die.

Since I've been frequenting another topic, the ex- LAPD cop rampage (which for some reason beyond me, 75% of the people there actually support the pyscho) would a drone be justified in it's use in such a case?

We could take him out, without collateral damage, since he is in the mountains, and it would reduce the risk of fatalities on the officers pursuing him.

You people are ridiculous.

At 2/9/13 01:15 AM, Phobotech wrote: Look, Lumber, I honestly don't give a fuck. This shit's happening in LA with one dude taking on the LAPD. From my cozy vantage point in North Dallas, this is still a fascinating story to keep up on.

People kinda like to root for the underdog every once and a while. You may argue against the morality and societal backlashes that may incur, but all in all, we're just impressed by this guy's colossal balls. I'm engrossed into how far he takes things. I mean, this has potential to be even bigger than THIS, which happened in '97....these guys were just bank robbers. The motive to this one man (ONE MAN!) is much, much more complex than just a matter of race.

Ill agree with you it's fascinating, and Ill admit this guy does have either quite a sack on him, or death wish.

But this isn't a videogame these are real people you're talking about here, and the fact that you would like to see his "kill count" rise is sickening, considering every man or woman he kills is a real person with a real family and loved ones.

Don't trivialize this, just because you think it's somehow bad ass or cool.

And for the record shooting two innocent people, just because you can't get to your prime target is terrorism, not bravery.

If he truly had the balls he'd go right up to the LAPD and start a fight, instead of killing two innocents and running with his tail between his legs up in the mountains.

Look no one here is saying Iraq was justified, Afghanistan sure as hell was, but not Iraq.

That being said however, Saddam was a bastard responsible for the death of well over a million kurds, and several thousand or more. He had an arsenal of WMD's. A nuclear weapon, despite being the strongest of the three, is not the only one. He still had chemical and biological weapons, which he used, again mostly on the Kurds.

Was Iraq a threat to the US, yes, but not to the point we should have invaded them. It was a mistake and should have been done through sanctions, and through the UN.

But once we invaded them (and won in a matter of weeks), then what? We crippled their military, government, infrastructure, pretty much devastated the country.

Would it better to simply pack up or bags and leave the Iraqis to the rubble we left behind?

Was it not the better action to at least try to help them rebuild their country? And as I've said before IBC has a current list of 110,000 civilians dead with only 30% of those deaths attributed to us, 7000+ of those during the opening invasion.

We have not gone over there and simply dominated them as if they were our slaves or subjects. Because believe me, if that was the case we would not have had the extra 4000 soldiers killed over there during our 10 year occupation.

And the retarded thing about IBC is it's based on a quote from Tommy Franks about not body counts FOR ENEMY casualties.

At 2/9/13 12:28 AM, Zachary wrote:

At 2/9/13 12:26 AM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote:

At 2/9/13 12:03 AM, Zachary wrote:

At 2/8/13 11:59 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: bunch of random shit

Dude...what are you talking about lmao. The entire police force is corrupt when the supposedly "good" cops don't say shit when the other cops do bad things in fear of retaliation.

And what does MLK (I assume you mean Junior...) have to do with this? Or Obama? Sounds like you're just babbling to me.

or it means you didn't get it.

Here the point, I read the manifesto, it's mostly about race. Look the point about MLK was this. When people called him a n----r he didn't attack them, he swallowed his pride and kept on fighting for equal rights, without resorting to violence.

But he's not attacking them because they called him a word... he is attacking them because he is insane. He just happened to mention that. He was fired and really has nothing to lose... he just doesn't like the corruption (which exists even if you stick your hands in your ears screaming 'lalala' like a child all you want).

Look you and I are on the same page here don't go making enemies where you have friends. It's good to know you acknowledge he's crazy, and yes race had some part of it, merely to show how a mature man like MLK handled racism and how this loon can't.

And I never once denied there's corruption. There is, especially in the LAPD, I'm well aware of their misuse of force.

But that doesn't mean that because of them every single officer in their department is in on some big conspiracy. I'm fairly confident that corruption makes up less than 10% of an entire police force. And that just because there are cases of police corruption doesn't mean that every single cop is crooked or only looking out for himself.

Bottom line, he's crazy, there is corruption (I can sympathize with his firing and his concern regarding it, but not his violent over the top reaction to it), but it is not so widespread to the point that an entire police force is corrupt.

Yeah....

If this is your attempt atta' "Got one over you!", nice try. Again let's be mature about this, son.

At 2/9/13 12:03 AM, Zachary wrote:

At 2/8/13 11:59 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: bunch of random shit

Dude...what are you talking about lmao. The entire police force is corrupt when the supposedly "good" cops don't say shit when the other cops do bad things in fear of retaliation.

And what does MLK (I assume you mean Junior...) have to do with this? Or Obama? Sounds like you're just babbling to me.

or it means you didn't get it.

Here the point, I read the manifesto, it's mostly about race. Look the point about MLK was this. When people called him a n----r he didn't attack them, he swallowed his pride and kept on fighting for equal rights, without resorting to violence.

The point about Obama was that MLK's work, and peace strategy worked, because we have a black man in office, you don't have to agree with him, the point is, how far we've come in 50 years, mainly due to the peaceful protests from MLK, and his associates.

And the first point was easy to follow everyone here is claiming absolutes. So you can tell me with 100% certainty that EVERY member of the LAPD is a corrupt, racist, villain?

Look I understand if you have some reserves I do too, but don't start distorting my words simply because you disagree with me, If I was unclear before I've just clarified myself.

Let's be mature and try to understand though that this man is not some one anyone should emulate or even attempt to follow. The fact that every major News Media outlet claims this man is a psycho should be a big indicator.

And bear in mind the two sides, and those few in between, are constantly warring with each other, and the fact they all can agree on this shows that it is near absolute certitude.

Because to then claim that the LAPD has influence on several news corporations many of which are spread all over the country, is a nut job conspiracy.

And for the record, his "manifesto" is hardly the new 'War and Peace'. It rambles and there are clear points of contradictions in his speech.

Him simply admitting he's loony, doesn't excuse him from suspicion that he might be crazy. Even men like Stalin and Hitler knew when they were evil, they just chose to ignore it, for the greater 'good'.

Any one siding with this man, or claiming to "Fuck the Police" need to get a fucking grip on reality.

These men are laying their lives down for you ungrateful shits. "They're C0rrupt!" as if an entire police force is some sort of conspiracy like organization keeping the people down.

People like this make me sick, you're all high and mighty until shit actually goes down, and you find yourself in need of the police, but they're too busy with us "bodies" I suppose.

Please, you make it seem like being a cop gives you freedom from the law and a mansion along with several million dollars.

This guy is a psycho not some robin hood, righting the wrongs of corruption.

For fuck's sake this is black history month maybe if you lil rebel's learned about history instead of distrusting every single "institution" you'd learn.

Dr. King and several other supporters of him, gave their lives, for equality, and did not raise a single finger against anyone. They are heroes. They had the courage toNOT fight back, and guess what say what you want but their efforts were successful.

These men, not crazy loons like the Black Panthers or this sicko, changed American society for the better, we have a black man in the highest position in the country, we've come along way since the '60s. And whether or not you agree with Obama, he, as a black man, is president, when merely 50 years ago, a black man couldn't even walk in the same bathroom as a white man.

All this asshole is doing is killing innocent lives.

At 2/8/13 09:15 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Tone it down with the Fascist/Nationalist rhetoric as you would not make it in the battlegrounds or the Military you would die hating it and you would death for choosing to destroy people as a career. Grow up and have some compassion as it could be your country next and then you will be the victim how would you like that ?

Nazi rhetoric?

So wanting what is essentially a robot do the job of a flesh and blood, thousands of feet above the sky, and minimize casualties of our soldiers is fascist?

Look I hate this whole idea that the US is some how an aggressor in these conflicts.

We have 3000 innocent lives killed in one day by a terrorist organization, what should we do, sit back and expect the governments of the countries to hand them over to us, so they can be tried in a due process?

Afghanistan was justified, the Taliban (a ruthless organization mind you, to even try to defend them, you must simply lack any morals, or sense) was a gang of thugs, albeit a large one, who terrorized the country and held their people by a leash.

They were not the recognized government of Afghanistan, that belonged to the Northern Alliance under Massoud, though I'm sure you lack any real knowledge about the subject.

And if some one even begins to feel sympathetic to such vile and despicable men that are willing to fight against their own people, and that that life is more valuable than the life of a true American, one willing to give his or her life to his country (which is an honorable thing, but according to you it's somehow cowardly and facist, some balls you got there behind your screen) then there's a clear disconnect between you and most sensible people.

So before you say another stupid thing, explain to me what right or moral ground you stand on that you can say what you say?

Should we let 3000 people die for nothing? But we've killed millions for over seas in the Middle East, 63% of the deaths were caused not by Coalition forces, but by terrorist activity and other related problems. So we've killed around 20 (out of 110) thousand during the Iraq war, 8 of those being during the invasion phase. At a time were Iraq, in it's entirety, is an enemy, that's called total war.

And in Afghanistan it's around 69% of the deaths were caused by anti-government forces.

Compared to a more 'just' war as ww2 when we invaded Germany we caused upwards of a hundred thousand deaths.

So to say we've simply been slaughtering innocents left and right as if we're the reincarnation of the Mongols is wrong, most of these deaths occurs when we drop a bomb on a terrorist's home who has 10-12 members of his family with him.

Look there's a level of responsibility on the family members, now I'm not condemning the children as they'd be to young to understand, and it's an unfortunate reality when they die, but is no blame to be placed on the parents?

They should realize the dangers whether or not they're for or against the United States isn't the question. Any man, especially one against the US can't be so ignorant that he thinks he won't be found in such a populous area as a city, village or town.

To stay around his family, he's only endangering them, and the smart sensible thing to do is to abandon them to fight the US on your own in the mountains somewhere, but instead he put's his family's life at risk.

Are we responsible for the family, as a military at war the enemy is our prime concern, we are to kill him at all costs, if he keeps his family with him, the blood on his hands.

But these are irrational people we are dealing with, who endanger their own people and children's lives for some belief in 'paradise' through bloodshed.

At 2/7/13 04:04 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 2/7/13 01:02 PM, Camarohusky wrote: Drone strikes are better than extraction teams in EVERY way.

retarded liberal shit

shut the fuck up

I'll agree with husky, to even allow one US soldier death for one traitorous american terrorist, when we can simply bomb them from the sky, is the true crime

Honestly we don't need another war we just pulled out of Iraq, and it's still to early to tell if it was a clear victory or not (in any case Saddam is gone and the insurgency is relatively defeated with some pockets left over) and Afghanistan is still raging, the Taliban have made a comeback since 2008 and have been increasing momentum.

Yes, we would mop the Iranians up in a matter of weeks, days actually. No one here would dispute that. The problem would be the mess afterwards.

However I believe a country such as Iran will not put up the same type of fight as the two other wars. I remember reading several stories of mass protest in Iran, if they have an insurgency, I'd be willing to bet 50% of the fighters would be foreigners simply looking to cash in on the chaos and wreck havoc against their Shi'ite enemies.

The war would cost us maybe 300- men in the opening invasion, but an occupation would be for several more years and a thousand or more men lost and add billions if not another trillion or two to our debt.

Not really worth it.

If any military action is to happen to Iran, we need to stop acting like pussies and just use covert missions and precision explosives and airstrikes. I doubt our Armed Forces want to go through the same political bull-shit we've had to face in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I say do nothing unless they hit us and when they do, tell every politician to shut up and sit down and let the Air Force, SOCOM, and NAVY do their job and simply obliterate Iran's military capabilities. We have the technology, all it takes is some jack ass to cry about how we need to give them democracy and waste another thousand American lives giving these people a government they don't want.

Long story short, avoid this war, but if they muster the balls to hit us, return the favor ten-fold and leave them to bleed.

Feoric, the problem isn't that Al Qaeda is in the F.S.A even though it's clear they are very involved an a part of this "revolution". Just look it up or pick up a paper, there have been multiple suicide bombings already against Syrian Armies, this is exactly the kind of tactics they pull.

Secondly, the problem is the fact that even if AQ isn't behind the attacks, the idea of radical Islamists in the movement should be frightening. Anyone willing to blow himself up is not doing it for freedom and rights that would be awarded to him after such actions are taking place. This is clearly the markings of a Jihadist under-tone. Also if you bother to know who and what Al Qaeda is, you'd understand there's no chance in hell they wouldn't get involved in this. They hate the Baathist's with a passion and Assad is the final remnant of that old movement.

Iraq shares their border, and their pouring in by the dozen just to fight, and don't even think it's a new occurrence for 'Mujaheddin' to be in Syria, they've been there before the war, Hell they were the ones going in to Iraq to fight, now they're Al Qaeda allies they made in Iraq are re-paying the favor.

I know Libya and Egypt are not in peace, that's called sarcasm, and while you choose not to believe in God, that's neither here nor there, because that's an expression, but of course as is typical in today's world, you've probably never heard it, because God forbid we mention religion.

Revolution is the answer in this case, but can you honestly tell me this will bring about the much needed change in Syria. Revolutions don't work most of the time as surprising as that may be to you. They're gate-way actions to dictatorships, just pick up a text book and read, there's one I can name who didn't go through this process and that was Hitler.

And we went into Afghanistan to capture and kill Osama and his cronies and to ultimately dis-mantle Al Qaeda, the Taliban were in the way and continue to be so. Our fight is not with them, however they chose it to be when they refused to turn Bin Laden and Al Qaeda over to us. Instead they demand "evidence". Here in the states there's something called a 'confession' and making a bunch of fucking tapes gloating how you killed 3,000 of us on that day definitely warrens his hanging and arrest, and quells and 'dis-belief' that they could have done such a thing.