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Anyway, is anybody here on Newgrounds dealt with kleptomania in any way? Whether it be through a friend, family member, or have it themselves?

Do you have room for me? I'm unlabeled. Call me mystery meat!

Trust no one.

I had a horrible kleptomania problem when I was a bit younger. Still do, sometimes.

The "best" thing I've stolen, or maybe my favorite, was a butterfly knife that was in a display case in a nearby pawnshop-type store. I still have it.

I made up for it eventually~.

At 10/17/13 11:36 PM, wcatdoor wrote: I'm not advocating for the removal/elimination of the words and to be erased from history, but rather that it not be used.

Right, it's not black and white, we don't ban every single word that offends people. These are some of the many that people have taken a disliking to. These are truly some of the most offensive ones, they are slanderous, there is no truth to them. They are not just "offending a groups morals" they are trying to destroy any credibility the group has.

"ngger" was used to keep african-americans in their place by labeling them as a lower class so people could justify stripping them of their most basic human rights.

there is no possible way to tell someone they can use hurtful words in a less hurtful way. Culturally we have denoted that these words are hurtful. There is no way to remove this encoding, anytime you call someone a "ngger" you are implying what the original meaning of the word was along with whatever present cultural depiction of the word.

Clearly, there is a way to get people to use those words in a good way. I grew up doing it, yes? And so did a lot of people around me.

And if you're not planning on erasing those words from history, then they're not going to not be used. You can't show people words in a textbook and expect them to never repeat it.

I'll respond to any following posts tomorrow

At 10/17/13 11:09 PM, wcatdoor wrote:

At 10/17/13 10:58 PM, Little-Kinky wrote:

At 10/17/13 10:47 PM, wcatdoor wrote: who is "They"?

"it's just how it is" is not a valid a argument. it sounds more like you are stating you don't wish to change/justifying it, rather than presenting an argument

"They" are the words we're talking about.

And I didn't say "it's just how it is". I said "it's just how it's used". Meaning how the words are used. As in the entire point I'm trying to make~

I agree with strong driving force for stigmatizing + avoiding use of the words because of their harsh nature. Are you saying the reason we should keep them is because you like using them/don't want them weeded out?

"it's just how it's used"
"that's how we use then"
"that's just how we use them"
"that's just how it is"
These are all implying that that's just the way it is, they are basically the same thing, just worded differently. If that's the point you are trying to make, it's a naturalistic fallacy (ie. it's normal so it's right)

NO, I'm saying what words mean is decided by HOW IT'S USED.

And obviously one of the reason we should keep them is because I don't want to see them weeded out. But the reason I don't want to see them weeded out, is because it's teaching the world that we should just forget and destroy anything that offends a group's morals.

"The word faggot is hateful and its past sucks."
"But what if we can turn it into something nice, and don't even acknowledge the negative meanings?"
"NO. Make sure those negative meanings are thrown at anyone who uses it, so that we can destroy the word!"

It just seems like a crappy choice to try to eliminate a word. Not only will you not be able to do it, it's not solving any problems. Teaching the world to use it in a different way might seem more painful, but it would work.

At 10/17/13 10:47 PM, wcatdoor wrote: who is "They"?

"it's just how it is" is not a valid a argument. it sounds more like you are stating you don't wish to change/justifying it, rather than presenting an argument

"They" are the words we're talking about.

And I didn't say "it's just how it is". I said "it's just how it's used". Meaning how the words are used. As in the entire point I'm trying to make~

At 10/17/13 10:27 PM, wcatdoor wrote: Even just not using those words is a good step. You don't have to tell other people how to act, just show them by your actions.
There are plenty of counter cultures that don't subscribe to homophobia/racism/hate (skramz life).

it was hard for me personally to give up the word "fag". Everyone used it and it wasn't a big deal. you called your friends "faggots" in an endearing way, and it was generally accepted.

Soon I started to realize it wasn't the most acceptable word so i began to limit my usage to only close friends. It still felt offensive and hateful even among friends so I stopped.

I don't see it that way. I know in pop culture it's being taught that it's not acceptable, and I don't see why they should be weeded out just to satisfy people.

It's like, even with words that offend me, I use them all the time. It's just how it's used.

At 10/17/13 09:58 PM, wcatdoor wrote: everyone is offended by something, and you are choosing to go out of your way and use those words still. In your example they do not know they are offending you, correct? If so that's on you to let them know they are being offensive. You can simply just say "I don't appreciate you saying ____". That doesn't give you the right and go out and offend just because someone said something hurtful to you.

I don't agree you can just throw out the meaning behind the word and bam, it's changed.

The meanings are not set in stone, but the events that have occured that are tied to those words (lynchings, murders, etc) are.

My earlier point was that the word had a foundation of hate behind it.

You cannot remove the foundation/origin from a word. You can change the meaning sure, but that doesn't remove past pretenses.

Ha, ya. Telling people to stop saying/doing things isn't easy when you're the walking definition of "counterculture", no?

And I'll say it again, I'm not going out of my way to say these things~ I just say them. They're in my "friendly conversation" vocab list.

At 10/17/13 09:41 PM, wcatdoor wrote: Right, but if someone is going to be offended by something you are saying why not use the politically correct/non offensive way of putting it? There's no reason to use the words if there are non-offending (or if its controversial less offensive) words out there. There's no need to offend someone when you can simply swap out the word in question for another.

I would argue that you can't really use most hateful words in a "positive way", you are only trying to a bright side to a word that was created to demean a group of people. Why try to change that? The best course of action would be to refuse to use such terms, and promote equality by not stooping to use them.

Literally the basis of these words is hate. They were constructed on the very platform of bigotry.

It would be hard to convince people that they should just "stop being offended by it and take it in stride"

Well, everyone is offended by something. I'm offended every day by pretty much everyday conversation that most people wouldn't consider offensive at all, and I bite my tongue because they can say whatever. Not the same thing, but ya.

And my argument is that if you take a hateful word and give it a new meaning, or just give it no meaning, it's not the same word at all.

Words are assigned meanings by people, and those meanings aren't set in stone.

At 10/17/13 08:54 PM, wcatdoor wrote: I used to think that, "it's more about the weight of the words than the meaning"
the problem is historical ties behind the words & people who are sensitive to these words because of traumatic experiences.

"lol what a faggot"

someone who has lost friends+family/got bullied because of being gay (not me, but friends) would most not likely approve of anyone (including gay people) tossing around a word when it represents such hate, even if they don't intend for it to be hateful.

I'm not a social warrior by any means, but I feel that it is ignorant of people that feel that because they are not personally offended by a word, it's fine to use it. It's not "2edgy5you" to be hateful, it's just being an asshole

Well, no durr people who've been negatively effected by those words in whatever way will take offense to my use of them.

The only reason offensive words are offensive is because people in the past used them negatively. The only way they'll change is if people use them in a positive/whatever way. Feelings will be hurt in the process.

I don't use words with a world-changing attitude in the back of my head. I want to say more, but I can't find the way to word my thoughts right now.

At 10/17/13 08:54 PM, wcatdoor wrote: using words such as "faggot" or "ngger" just promotes hate culture, I don't really see how it's much different to use those words even with just a close group of friends and not publicly. It's still promoting bigotry, even if it is just with a few friends who don't mind it/think its funny. Ironic bigotry is still bigotry.

If everyone used those words casually without hate, I don't think we'd have a problem~

It's not like I use the words "on purpose", just to piss people off. It's just how I talk.

To me, all of my cousins are "faggots" and so am I. It's just what we lovingly call each other. My friends are dykes, and we're all retarded. See what I mean?

And don't get me started on the "meanings" of words~ what words mean depend on what people want them to mean.

What was marriage in the dictionary, again? "The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife."

I hear a bunch of people aren't satisfied with that, and are working to reword that definition, yes?

So I've gone through pretty much most of my life not exposed to hatred. That is, dyke, faggot, gay, retard, etc- had no real meaning. They're just words I used casually among friends, and even affectionately.

When I got into high school, I was suddenly looked down upon and even ganged up on because of my use of those words, and it totally shocked, and irritated me.

That is, it bothered me that other people are bothered by the way I talk.

Of course, I'm not clueless (for the most part). I'll bite my tongue in school when I'm around the more sensitive people.

It just irks me how people who express extreme hate for those words can do so (loudly) and people like me who don't see much wrong with them can't as well.

Ya, I know it's a lot about context. I'm not using the words to insult people, and I only use them with people who know what I mean by it.

So, Newgrounds, what's your take on this~?

At 10/15/13 10:03 PM, Xenomit wrote:

At 10/15/13 10:01 PM, Little-Kinky wrote:

At 10/15/13 09:58 PM, Xenomit wrote: political correctness

But being politically correct is important because asdf.

You know I wont argue with you

Leverage is fun.

But ya, I think it's silly people are making a fuss of this.

At 10/15/13 09:58 PM, Xenomit wrote: political correctness

But being politically correct is important because asdf.

Answered honestly~ I think I messed up a few questions.

Some of them are just obnoxious.

The only people who fold, are the people who haven't tried scrunching~

At 10/13/13 06:32 PM, notYert wrote: if you can't locate every state you're an uneducated mongrel

Educate me <3

Took it anyway to see if I've improved. I have!

I always brought this up in the NG Chat~

I always do pathetic. At best, I know 15?

I have to admit, I've been looking at the title of this thread for the past few hours, trying to figure out what "1D" was.

I bet Wade is a folder~

In case you were wondering, I'm a scruncher. Most of the time~

In the bathroom, there are two main ways to use toilet paper!

Scrunching it up into a ball, or folding it into a neat sheet!

Which one are you?

This is an important topic!

And the pieces fall into place.

--supergandi69

Happy womb emancipation day, Rad~

Cookie Clicker.

At 10/7/13 05:43 PM, GrizzlyOne wrote: Anybody remember the old flash series StickDeath?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbI8V-ZKooc

Yes~

That was the first web page I ever went on by myself, introduced to it by my brother. It was silly.

It had a ton of funny animations and games on it~