Newgrounds.com — Everything, By Everyone.

At 2/16/11 12:47 AM, MillsApparatus wrote: Sounds like the OP is too limited in his own potential that he cannot create any sort of song without first plagiarizing another artists. I want to write a book, but I have no ideas so I'll just rewrite and rework some of the ideas and themes of The Hobbit and expand on that.

Let me make the point I made in the last post very clear. Music has evolved mainly by artists expanding on and evolving ideas from other artists.

Yes, PLAGIARIZING and REWRITING and REWORKING other artists ideas is EXACTLY how music, art, and for that matter technology, and science have evolved.

look at the band oasis. The lead composer has repeatedly says he likes to build and evolve themes from prior generations of music.

this song got him into legal trouble. It was a new take on Stevie wonders uptight/alright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N98CFHq3K bA

The song should technically be public domain according to our founding fathers, but the band was forced to give stevie wonder co-writer credit, and deal with all the loops the record labels put them through to protect their profits.

Bottom line is, a large chunk of music is off limits unless you want to deal with bureaucracy and royalties and red tape and bullshit.

The reason music sucks today is quite simply because, dun dun dun dun, record labels have extended copyright to protect their profits.

Think of the vast array of jazz and blues and country that was heavily borrowed from to grow into rock and roll.

Simply put, though, musicians are unable to do the same thing with the vast compendium of music from the past 50 years or so, and lead to new genres, and evolutions of old musics, because of the red tape barriers erected by the influence of record labels to protect their profits on the original compositions and recordings.

Let's get my point straight, if a band wants to evolve a theme from say led zeppelin, they should be able to, and the song should be qualified as public domain. Our founding fathers knew this, despite the fact the view of copyright back in the 1700's was more focused on patents for new technology.

They believed that 14 years was enough for a creator to profit from a creation, then allowing the creation to become public domain so other creators could effectively plagiarize and grow the idea, then profit of of their idea for 14 years

This life + 70 years chicken shit is utter and complete horse maneuver. Bottom line. The natural flow of evolution is stifled, and we can see this in how cookie cutter songs have become the mainstay. You HAVE to be cookie cutter to be able to manufacture new uncopyrighted melodies. because you simply cannot step inside the legal bounds of copyrighted melodies and music without dealing with all the red tape involved.

At 2/12/11 10:49 AM, Rucklo wrote: Extra important is that you don't fall into any derailing-sidetracks (stay away from that bandwaggon). Just because one person got away with a wellplaced and perhaps amusing allcaps-post doesn't mean that it's allowed. We (mods) many times may overlook similiar harmless shennanigans, if it's suiting and somewhat contributional to the topic in question.

ALTERNATE SPAM LOUNGE

Make an alternate spam lounge. Personally, the most entertaining parts of the lounge is when it derails into all caps flame wars.

If you ban that, you are denying us the very reason we have a lounge

nother entry:

• 
  [DjBjra] - Star City by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  3.97 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  103 Views

• Loading...

• 
  [DjBjra] - Star City by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  0 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  19 Views

• Loading...

Doesn't use chiptunes because honestly, I wasn't born in that era. I was raised on the snes and n64. So I tried to incorporate those styles.

no bonus points for me LOL

At 2/9/11 01:53 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 2/9/11 01:11 PM, Bjra wrote: yeah, but the band could start selling it too on their website. And fans arent stupid, they will buy the official band version to support the band.

Not when the band is selling the CD for $20, and I'm selling it for $5.

The songs will be public domain. Legally you can post them online for free. and let me guarantee you, the songs will be easily downloadable with a quick google search.

The ONLY reason to buy the cd would be to support the band.

At 2/9/11 12:03 PM, loansindi wrote:

At 2/9/11 09:10 AM, Bjra wrote: Say metallica's black album becomes 14 years old under the original copyright. Since the song has become public domain, metallica will be able to sell their album without having to split the profits with the corporation, the record label they made the song for. They will still be more than able to sell their album commercially for full price and make money off of it from the fans willing to support the band.

Yeah but so could anyone else. Once it's public domain you could simply print your own copy of the CD and sell the shit out of it, or 're-interpret' it one way or another, or whatever it is you want to do.

With the internet, people will easily be able to tell whether or not they are actually buying the cd from the band or not. Sure everyone and their mother will be able to sell the cd as their own.

But where would you buy the cd from, some random website, or the bands official website?

do you think people are really that stupid haha

fortunately, the corporation that holds the rights to the album wont be able to say, no metallica, you can't do that or we will sue you for making full profit off of the song we own partial rights to.

The corporation could just keep selling the album the way they are. Who's gonna win, the folks with the giant infrastructure or the band?

yeah, but the band could start selling it too on their website. And fans arent stupid, they will buy the official band version to support the band.

with the internet, its hard to pass someone elses work of as your own. besides we want musicians to build upon other peoples work, not sell unmodfied versions as their own

Peopl are stupid, but not that supid. they will only buy the band verson

At 2/9/11 02:12 AM, PainasaurusRex wrote: What I'm getting out of most of you is that you dislike copyright laws.

I dislike how copyright laws have been extended to a gajillion years

You mention that once something is public domain, artists will immediately stop making money on it, no.

Say metallica's black album becomes 14 years old under the original copyright. Since the song has become public domain, metallica will be able to sell their album without having to split the profits with the corporation, the record label they made the song for. They will still be more than able to sell their album commercially for full price and make money off of it from the fans willing to support the band.

fortunately, the corporation that holds the rights to the album wont be able to say, no metallica, you can't do that or we will sue you for making full profit off of the song we own partial rights to.

If metallica tried to do that today, their label would sue the shit out of them.

But the artists trying to make full money off of their products aren't screwed over by themselves. Look at youtube, these big record labels will delete your creations on youtube if you contain clips of their songs. Why. They want to limit where you can hear the song. Why is that. They want the ONLY way to listen to the song to be to buy the album. WHY. So they can make the biggest profits possible.

This is even more evident with movies. Look at Disney, they actively go and find highschools doing plays resembling their movies, and they will prosecute the schools for breaking copyrights, on movies over 50 years old.

It's disgusting.

Copyright is a good thing, but we need to get the time of copyright cut down to size. 100+ years is absolutely ridiculous.

At 2/9/11 02:34 AM, Sequenced wrote: Bjra is on his period again.

Wanted to start an interesting discussion

At 2/9/11 12:19 AM, djInTheDark wrote:

At 2/8/11 11:59 PM, Knoxius wrote:

At 2/8/11 11:40 PM, ZStriefel wrote: Copyright isn't an incentive to be original, it's protection for it's owner.

Many musicians don't own the copyright to their music, but rather the record label does. The label then makes 100 billion dollars muahaha

Yeah, but the artist chose to sign themselves to label xy. Nobody forced them to sign the contract. Just saying'

remember, it was the corporations using their influence to extend copyright to tip the favor of copyright to their profit interests, through lobbying, etc.

At 2/9/11 12:06 AM, RedRavenRuler wrote: Truth is a good amount of people today are lazy beyond belief and would grossly abuse the public domain melodies.

I disagree wholely. Currently artists horribly abuse recycled chord progressions, but are forced to contrive crappy new melodies and riffs.

extended copyright has made musicians creatively lazy because it is so incredibly hard to create something legally original these days. You get tons of inspiration, but you must throw a lot of it away to keep it legal.

If artists were able to build upon songs more than 14 years old as public domain, musicians would again be able to create to their hearts content, irregardless of whether or not they are pulling ideas from the public domain of the prior generation.

copyright does protect musicians. Copyright any longer than 14 years protects corporate profits.

Alright, copyright is a fantastic incentive for artists to create new amazing stuff.

The problem is, do you know how long our founding fathers originally intended for copyright to last?

14 years. That's right, 14 years. Think to yourselves, if this were still true today, all music from 1995 and earlier would be public domain. That's right you could use any o0r all of the parts of these songs composed before this time period freely, and legally to create your own songs or projects, irregardless of whether or not you are creating your version for commercial gain.

What is the current copyright length? Lifetime plus 70 years. 100 years extra if you are a corporation/
.

That's right, cocksucking, profit hungry corporations have fucked you and I over, the creative musician types have been screwed.

These corporations have lobbied over the past century to significantly extend copyrights to continue to scrape in profits on ideas and art that should be public domain right now.

Unfortunately, this gets to the thesis of my post. Why does music today suck.

Well, to make hit tunes, producers stick to tried and true chord progressions. Unfortunately, because so many melodies have been done over these chord proggressions already, the melodies have gotten more and more annoying and cheesier.

If all the sweet melodies from the music of the 50's through the 90's were public domain. I believe music would not suck today, as music would turn away from being cookie cutter crap with contrived original melodies, to building upon the previous generations hard work.

Remember, the history of music has been a constant building upon from already existing material

jazz and folk and blues and country led to rock. which led to metal, which led to alternative and heavy metal. Disco came out of rock and roll in the seventies. which turned into electronic music over the years.

Anyways, my two cents are that we need to lobby and musicians to get the copyright length significantly reduced back down to 14 years. Sure super popular and famous musicians wont continue to reap in royalties, but i beleive the logjam music has gotten into will break because all the creative goodies from the last century can be tapped into and built upon with today's technology.

WATCH THIS

At 2/7/11 08:31 AM, jarrydn wrote: also, Skrillex has some tutorials up on youtube on how to make the nasty skrillex(tm)bass with a couple of 3xoscs ;D

linx pl0x

PARAGONX9 ALRIGHT LETS DO THISSSSSSSSS

Well my assumption is if you are composing a song for club playage, you would want to choose the best key to put the root note of the bass in for maximal effect.

My guess is that that resonant frequency is different for people based on size. Remember the resonance occurs when the length of the wave is divisible by your bodys dimensions

anyways, an effective way to achieve maximum bass is to have bass sweeps in pitch, so you actually hit an entire spectrum of low bass tones, allowing you to hit all those frequencies, regardless of the system the song is played on or the dimensions and size of your listeners.

I would assume if you went to a club, and listened for the notes and songs that hit these frequencies for you, remember the note and song, go home, download the song, find out what note the bass is playing for that frequency, then use a note frequency chart to pin point what frequency it is,m or just try to build your songs around that bass tone.

good luck!

• 
  [DjBjra] - Military Storm by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.38 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Trance

  Popularity

  19,250 Views

• Loading...
• 
  [DjBjra] - The Room Dubstep by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.28 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Dubstep

  Popularity

  8,089 Views

• Loading...
• 
  [DjBjra] - Can I Have a Cookie by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.40 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Dubstep

  Popularity

  8,242 Views

• Loading...

Check these out:

• 
  [DjBjra] - Above the Clouds by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.38 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  14,268 Views

• Loading...
• 
  [DjBjra] - The Great Escape by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.31 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  1,336 Views

• Loading...
• 
  [DjBjra] - Fourth Dimension by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.35 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  1,294 Views

• Loading...

I'll do it for 400 dollars

Musician, and audio guy here:

I work fast and do damn good work in the electronic genre, mainly video game, trance and dubstep

• 
  [DjBjra] - Madness Divinity by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.37 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Dubstep

  Popularity

  9,369 Views

• Loading...
• 
  [DjBjra] - Above the Clouds by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.40 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  12,412 Views

• Loading...

here's a good choice:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controll er/home?O=productlist&sku=365593&Q=&is=R EG&A=details

dubstep producer and youtube vlogger

http://www.gvst.co.uk/gsnap.htm

good luck creating an api to load vst instruments in flash

i wewd collaborate wit u

Musician here. I will make you professional quality music FOR FREE for YOUR PROJECT

Don't message me if the project is going to suck though

• 
  [DjBjra] - Above the Clouds by Bjra

  Click to listen.

  Score

  4.41 / 5.00

  Type

  Song

  Genre

  Video Game

  Popularity

  10,191 Views

• Loading...

Like i'm famous on the audio portal or something damnit

At 1/3/11 09:41 PM, RPGCrazyCritic wrote: I received a new keyboard for christmas (Piano kind of keyboard) and I already play 2 other instruments in the school band. Well, I was messing with some chords, and I started improvising just simple stuff. I made a somewhat simple loop and wanted to upload it, but I'm scared of other people's opinions.

do it. I will personally approve you if you pm me. but only if you promise to continue uploading songs, regardless of what anyone says.

I remember when I was at your same position. I'm glad I joined, and faced the dozens of songs and tons of rejection. haha

At 1/4/11 11:58 AM, ShatterTheSky22 wrote: Fast Food

How often do you guys eat it?
It's so delicious, I'd be lying if I said I didn't have at least a cheeseburger or something every day. Somehow I'm not really big from it, though I'm sure with this kind of diet, I'll be dead by 30. Still, what are your thoughts?

never ever never never ever ever never

That was the first thing to go when I started eating healthier. 50 pounds later I'm never going back

themes are tough to come up with.

I would suggest more technical guidelines, song structure oriented guideline, and I will explain what that is and why it could be effective

Instead of the theme "make a song that could be in a children's show" or "make a song that is sad and melancholy"

as a musician i hate that shit.

hows about "make a 3 minutes long song with a 30 second intro, followed by a spaced out 1 minute chill out session, then a beat breaks out of nowhere and continues to the end of the song, continually building down after a plateau"

create very specific guidelines and get into depth and style of individual song parts. you could come up with endless combination of this and keep the contest going forever

baby, I never drop below -1db

Does anyone know where I could find someone who could edit video clips together to make a slick dubstep music video, kind of like this

And who would do it basically to get all the traffic the video could possibly bring them

I'm a poor musician

I swear

I come to the lounge to read nerds trolling each other, not posting pictures of homosexual nature

2 thumbs down

alright alright, let me try making one up.

hey baby, can I sidechain your vagina