Congrats guys! :)

You were banned for sampling from a copyrighted song (or possibly stealing one outright, but I can't find the exact version on YouTube). It's very difficult to get an audio ban lifted, so if you'd still like to submit to the Audio Portal, create a new account and upload there. Also be sure to look over the rules first.

FL is more than capable of what you have in mind if you get the Producer or XXL version, though beware that most of the sounds that come with it are very cheap and generic-sounding. You'll likely have to go out and find new ones before making anything.

I don't think you'll find any problems in FL related to the complexity of what you want to make. Of course there's going to be a learning curve, but you'd find that with any program. If you're still not sure, you can go out and try demos of other programs, e.g. Cubase or Reason, though I hear most have steeper learning curves in comparison.

Is this what you're looking for?

Kind of. Mrmilkcarton and I tested it - he was on a Mac with two screens and I was on one screen with Vista. I could see both of his screens without problems, but I could only use remote control on one of them. I don't know if the same results would happen with different combinations of screens and operating systems though, or which screen gets remote control and why.

If you're looking for specs I can't say I know, but I can say it's almost always fast with only a little delay, given that your CPU isn't constantly being pushed all the way to its limits.

I'm not much of a collab person myself but I know many of us are - so having found this tool the other day, I thought I'd share it.

Mikogo is a free screen-sharing tool for both Windows and Mac systems. Features include (copied from the website):

- Screen Sharing
- Switch Presenters
- Participant Pointer
- Remote Control
- Pause Transmission
- Copy/Paste/Email Meeting Info
- Voice Conferencing Service
- Instant Screen Buildup
- 256-Bit AES Encryption

Plus several more for PCs, including file transfer. Visit the site I linked to above for details. Of course, some of these features, such as switch presenters, remote control, and file transfer, may have pretty obvious uses for our purposes. A screenshot from the website is at the bottom of this thread.

After a very quick five-minute download, install, and signup, I did a bit of testing (thanks to Mrmilkcarton and Nav!). I've found the screen refresh rate and remote control are slightly laggy at times but otherwise very good, and the file transfer is decent, more or less at the level of chat services more commonly used for file transfer such as MSN/AIM. It's also light on CPU - Nav and I were able to play some pretty intense project files and run Mikogo simultaneously without problems. The only significant drawback was that Macs can send files, but cannot receive them.

Perhaps most importantly for us, Mikogo cannot send sound alone - but when used in conjunction with Skype (or something similar) and Stereo/Wave Out Mix, remote access to another computer in just about every way becomes possible. There are two ways to do this: to launch both separately, or to use Mikogo as a Skype Extra.

Overall I would almost call Mikogo powerful, but it's definitely useful for collabs, or for teaching - it's the closest thing there is to sitting there with someone.

Thoughts?

At 5/14/09 09:53 PM, InGenius wrote: Yes, technically all the VEC cd's and alot of other drumkit cd's, as well as string, horn, and other sample cd's are merely just rips from other music, thus making them illegal to use in commerical, for-profit ventures, without paying for the usage of the original samples.

Not always true. Some sample CDs and Libraries (including VEC and other Vengeance packs) are made specifically to be used in song creation, and can be used royalty-free if bought.

Frankly, if the program allows users to freely distribute any music made with the loops under a Royalty Free commercial release ability, then there is no reason it cannot be used in music as licensed through the Creative Commons License NG is using. It breaks none of the CC licensing rules, and the very reason NG uses the CC licensing is as a buffer so that there is no need to "interpret" anything, the CC has it's own background and wealth of information on what is allowable.

True, but you're not reading the thread. Other people have said it before and I'll say it again: the reason we don't allow music made from premade loops isn't legal, it's for quality reasons. We don't want an Audio Portal full of relatively effortless music made from the same set of loops, then it would be cluttered with music that all basically sounds the same - instead, we hold Newgrounds users to a higher standard and only allow music the users have written themselves.

I see this as mods not really being told much in the way of how and where to enforce the rules by those who run the site, and so they do what they want for the most part.

This is what you should be looking at. Sadly, the places where the rules are officially listed are out of date, but as I see it that's beyond our control and low on the admins' list of priorities.

The only "loops" the rules speak about are those sampled from copywritten material, which would actually mean Garageband = ok, while VEC = not, so at least half the Techno scene of NG would be deleted under those rules. And that's not my interpretation, that's plain english.

Once again - VEC isn't sampled from copyrighted music, but created specifically for song creation.

1) Looking for a team.
2) I'm a musician.
3) I've been producing music for two years and a bit more, some examples of my work from new to old:

Karco - Abyss, by Karco Type: SongGenre: Ambient

Instrumental #4 (Karco Remix), by Karco Type: SongGenre: Trance

Karco - Unleashed, by Karco Type: SongGenre: Trance

Karco - Temple, by Karco Type: SongGenre: Ambient

Newer works are at http://mediafire.com/karco - keep in mind that I can do just about anything electronic, even though what you'll find may not give you that idea.
4) My AIM is KarcoMusic, alternatively you can PM me, or e-mail me at karcotechno@yahoo.com.

If interested, drop me a line!

Quick self-ad, I'm available to write music if you need anything electronic.

Best of luck everyone. :)

At 5/13/09 10:36 PM, ep1kz wrote: maybe when the loop is the most prominent part of the song?

This. Of course there's no clear line that we've agreed on, like "x premade loops in one song = ban," but instead it varies from mod to mod, as we each have our own interpretations. Personally, I don't look at things in terms of how many loops there are, but rather how much original composition there is - if it doesn't make up a good majority of the track or more, it's a rule-breaker.

A few examples as I see it: An EDM track that uses one or two hihat loops to fill out its hihat line would be fine to me if everything else was written by the user submitting it. Conversely, playing a guitar solo over several premade instrument and drum loops looping on top of each other would be going too far. Using nothing but loops breaks the rules of course, but in moderation it's fine - this is all about how much original work there is after all.

So nathanallenpinard - slicable/editable loops (which Stylus and Stormdrum seem to be from what you've said) should be fine, especially since the editing part adds an original quality to them, versus using them raw.

As for fine print, I've never heard of any other than in Magix Music Maker. I want to say libraries like Stormdrum should be fine but I've never had anything to do with them; someone else may be able to give you a better answer.

Basically, to me this is something entirely subjective. Take all of this with a grain of salt of course, I can hardly speak for all of the other mods.

Having listened to your submission from start to finish, it seems fine to me if you used a keyboard. The one explanation I can come up with is that an Audio Mod mistook all of the repetition throughout your song for precreated loops, and banned.

Unfortunately, Audio Portal bans are permanent and unliftable. If you still want to submit here, your best option is to create a new account and upload your original work there, perhaps explaining the process of creating the song - using a keyboard + Garageband, etc. You could also drop one of the Audio Mods a line to get through the approval process more quickly next time.

Hope you understand.

I see two reasons here:

1) I hear a few stock Garageband loops in there, which, upon returning to the rest of the song, implies to me that most/all of the song could also have been made with precreated loops, which is grounds for a ban.

2) You wrote in the Author's Commentary:

This was originally used for a short part of the movie Monsters Inc.

To me this means the Pixar movie Monsters Inc., and the Audio Mod who banned you may have thought the same. Copyrighted samples are also not allowed here - as stated on the submission page,

Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

In turn, ban.

Hopefully you understand now.

You were banned for using a kind of set of precreated loops in your submission. Tony-b Machine basically supplies you with a few different loops for each sound (bass, melody, etc.) and you choose between the options. It's basically no better than something like Punk-O-Matic or Garageband (when using loops) in this way.

Arrange and write the music yourself and you'll be approved. As I see it there's no chance any music from Tony-b Machine will be approved, so you'll also have to find a new program to use to write your music.

You were banned for your first submission, "Old Skool,98" - most likely because you sampled pieces of copyrighted music, hence, ban (1:50 sounds especially suspicious). As said on the submission page:

You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.
Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

Though not said specifically here, this applies to songs as well.

At 5/9/09 05:14 PM, Silvertoad99 wrote: no i dont USE copyrighted material

Then what did you use?

Try this list, see if you recognize a few names. Even if you don't you can listen to some music by a few of the artists on the list to make some comparisons (but keep skill level in mind also).

A bit of general advice: there's no all-around best program that will let you make the best music; so look for a DAW that suits your needs and workflow. I suggest you try a few demos and pick the program that suits you most, and the links you've been given in this thread are some good places to start.

You were banned for using copyrighted samples in your track. You mentioned that you wanted do something with the vocals from the World of Warcraft OST and though I've never heard any of it myself, it sounds to me like you started with the original and built on top of it - not allowed here.

At 4/18/09 10:51 PM, Spikrodd wrote:

At 4/18/09 10:19 PM, MJTTOMB wrote: What's the difference between a music major and a large pizza?

A large pizza can feed a family of four.

HAHA-- aww... I'm majoring in music. Sad part is it's true.
This one is fairly true...

Here's the full picture, amazing stuff. The closer you look, the more you find! ;D (couldn't attach to the post, too big.)

The WoodenToaster problem's been solved! I sent the guy a PM and he removed all of his stolen music.

I also made contact with FredrikMiller and it turns out we hit the nail on the head - and not just that, but Take Me Away (which WoodenToaster submitted between Helius and Spring Blossoms) came from him as well.

As a side note, Spring Blossoms is a track FredrikMiller intends to get signed to a label, so I'd like to ask anyone who has downloaded it not to spread it further.

Just thought I'd let you all know. Thanks to LiquidEvolution for letting me know and Mrmilkcarton for helping me figure this out. :)

Listening to your submission now, the only explanation I can think of is that an audio mod thought your track was made up of many premade loops, which is grounds for a ban here - and your song definitely sounds like a bunch of premade loops placed on top of each other to me. Chances are if I were in that audio mod's position, I'd ban too.

Like loansindi said, Audio Portal bans are permanent and we audio mods can't lift them - if you insist on submitting to the Audio Portal your best option is to create a new account and upload there instead. Make sure you upload original work made from scratch this time, and if your submission follows the rules, you should be approved.

The original track (named Adagio in G Minor) was composed by Tomaso Albinoni - searching on iTunes or YouTube will return quite a few results.. I'm finding several versions for strings (example) and some add in an organ as well (example), no choirs though. :( I'm beginning to think the choir was something Above & Beyond added in themselves.

This track is Rollerball - Albinoni (Above & Beyond Opera Mix). It's somewhat old but a fun listen. :)

As for the arp at the end, I'm guessing you're talking about 2:48? Start with a supersaw and mess with the filter mod on your synth, you should find a setting that works while you automate the cutoff frequency - I hardly ever use supersaws so I don't know exactly what but I'm sure it's got something to do with the decay and possibly the attack. :)

I believe this is the submission you're looking for:

PerfectDark: airbase remix, by Waterflame Type: SongGenre: Video Game

You were banned for uploading music made using copyrighted samples. As said on the Audio Portal submission page:

You are making the legal claim that it is your own original work.
Loops you made from existing copyrighted songs are not your own original work.

Perhaps it was a bit unclear to you in not including other copyrighted material, which is unfortunate. But any copyrighted samples are an automatic ban here.

If you want to submit to the Audio Portal now your best option is to create a new account and upload copyrighted sample-free music there. If it follows the rules you'll be approved to submit more music.

mikkim is right - you need to time your synth so it plays along with the drums. If your sequencer can't do that, then get a new sequencer that can.

What do you mean, "they do not match?" Are they rhythmically off (if so then what sequencer do you use, because you should probably switch), does the song clip (which is easier, turn down the volume), what is it?

I think part of your problem is that your sounds are very plain and thin. What you need are sounds that are more interesting and entertaining to listen to - an original, layered kick, a thick hihat line, etc. This should take away from the repetitive feeling that this gives so far.

You could also introduce more sounds at a time. For example, introduce the kick and bass synth together, the hihat line and clap together, etc. Progressing so slowly and introducing one sound at a time like that will certainly make your track repetitive.

Also don't judge your structure so critically quite yet, you've still got to add all of your synths to the track. Perhaps you could hold the listener's attention with a supporting synth or two while the drums are still building.

Advertise here and read the Audio Forum rules.

If you want reviews, you'll have to get them like everyone else - advertise where appropriate (above thread, forum signature, news posts), and leave useful reviews for other people and ask for one in return. Properly contributing to the Audio Forum wouldn't hurt either.

At 3/15/09 02:19 AM, fluffkomix wrote:

At 3/15/09 12:34 AM, Karco wrote: Your submission that got you banned, "UmBeeNaaShaa," is a bunch of voice clips mashed together into nonsense spam. The Audio Portal is intended to be a resource for Flash Artists and this sort of submission isn't quite suitable for Flash movies/games nor listening, therefore, ban.

well then im surprised my submission got in. my first submission.
http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/2 05127

Your submission was an attempt at music, more or less. Listening to the harmony one can tell some kind of effort went into it, which I think is what got you in.

ClueLue's submission was basically a collage of many unmusical clips, all played simultaneously. Big difference.

Your submission that got you banned, "UmBeeNaaShaa," is a bunch of voice clips mashed together into nonsense spam. The Audio Portal is intended to be a resource for Flash Artists and this sort of submission isn't quite suitable for Flash movies/games nor listening, therefore, ban.