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Response to: Peak Oil Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/28/08 10:42 PM, AdamRice wrote: That's real, from the DOE. No bullshit here, I promise.

Wholy Shit!

So DOE expects production to double in next 20 years, then collapse 80 or 90% within 20 years from peak??

Forgive my saying so, but that's the most ludicrous "offical" graph i've seen in my life.

Response to: Peak Oil Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/28/08 09:48 PM, poxpower wrote:
At 2/28/08 09:44 PM, JudgeDredd wrote:
At 2/28/08 09:36 PM, Noolie wrote: I mean why can't we just drill deeper to get more oil?
If we drill any deeper we'd tap into the Earth's core. That's why.

logical leap: core = steam = free energy.
My car actually runs on magma

Pah!

My car runs off flux with the Earth's magnetic core. According to the blurb from the brochure, "Earth's iron core spins faster than the Earth itself, floating within a liquid iron ocean. The resulting excess speed differential creates a massive flux (causing the Earth's own magnetic field infact) and resulting in free energy within stationary magnets".

Don't quite understand it myself, but it works great!

Response to: Peak Oil Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/28/08 09:36 PM, Noolie wrote: I mean why can't we just drill deeper to get more oil?

If we drill any deeper we'd tap into the Earth's core. That's why.

logical leap: core = stream = free enregy.
Response to: Pico Munny Posted February 28th, 2008 in NG News

Darn it, i thought this was an announcement for a new micro-currency for NG trade & exchange between members.. pah! >: (

Response to: The failure of modern humanism Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/27/08 02:30 PM, FUNKbrs wrote: Modern humanism is the basic belief in the human good, the idea that all humans are born as things of positive social and moral value, and only exposure to negative external elements causes corruption in the individual. This belief is predicated upon a logical scientific history in which humans are basically a type of animal evolved from other animals throughout a period of time that makes a single human lifetime inconsequential. Furthermore, it commonly assumes on faith that human cooperation can overcome any obstacle and presents itself as a message of hope.

As Al suggests, this is Standard Humanism, not Modern Humanism. However extending the concept into it's modern context certainly has merit. In essence, we all possess pre-programed survival mechanisms which include human traits such as tribalism, moralism, and trust or faith. Subverting these are our animal survival instincts such as distrust, indulging our pleasure centers, or our "kill or be killed" reflex, aka Survior-Island mentality.

..humans are naturally limited in their mental capacity to deal with the stress of social interraction. In short, that humans are not naturally social or benevolent at all, and that altruism is at best a limited tribal phenomenon.

The limitation is not an evolutionary mental one, or at least, not a higher-function mental limitation. If you examine an individual who lacks social skills (Autism for example) you find trust and decency are innate, but the ability to dissern trust and decency in others is perhaps totally lacking. The so-called higher-functions we possess (however detrimental of our natural benevolence) are our ability to finely attune to likelyhood and probability, in particular, with respect to social interaction.

Studies suggest that our greatest mental capacity therefore is mostly harnessed unconciously pre-evaluating scenarios, not the least, including the third of our lives spent in sleep. A big chunk of our down time, quiet introspection, or whatever you wish to call it, is also spent on this unconcious social pre-evaluation. Our need to be alone, or to "be in our own space", is tied to our ability to reason things out on an unconcious level, and thus allowing us to traverse our social lives in a more efficient manner. In a busy modern setting, our survial (job, etc) still heavily depend upon it.

In comes a theology that admits to the existence of intrinsic human flaw. Human beings are insufficient to the task of living in civilization and need laws to maintain stability.
Here, then, is the quest for solitude.

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Response to: 4 Years in jail for 0.003g of weed. Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/21/08 06:48 PM, morefngdbs wrote: This topic reminded me of a rumor/story that U.S. currency ,like 4 out of every 5 bills checked had trace amounts of cocain on them.

Then explain why they use drug dogs to "detect if money is drug money" and confiscate it if dog barks (..saw it on COPS)

Response to: The failure of modern humanism Posted February 28th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/27/08 11:53 PM, MortifiedPenguins wrote: See, one thinks Funkbrs to be a ravanous baby eating, beer drinking rocker.
But then he comes out and suprises everyone.

A paradox indeed. His social skin is not what you'd call endearing, yet he oozes tribal kred.

I don't think modern humanism is representative of mankind becoming devoid of social skills as much as re-evaluating a social skillset based on next phase technology. The doubts expressed over a young generation naively opening themselves and their daily lives to global inspection, whilst frittering countless hours in virtual exploration, are perhaps near sighted. While the odd bad case makes the news, or concern that business interests will prevail, doesn't fairly represent the possibilities and value of networking for young and old alike. The doubts before every technology ushered in in recent years have often given way to delight on the progress and possibilities side. One can just as easily see the rapid ascent of today's techno-capable generation as desirous, not solely by vested interests, but by the users themselves. After all, that is the main selling point.

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Response to: The failure of modern humanism Posted February 27th, 2008 in Politics

Dare is ask who wrote this.

Not that i put it past your ability on an exceptionally good day, but as cogent theories go, this is a cut above standard NG flair, and then some.

Response to: Global warming for real? Posted February 26th, 2008 in Politics

I don't wanna disappoint anybody who is expecting my opinion on this whole global warming business either one way or the other, but at this stage i'd have to say i reserve my judgement 'til any of the abovementioned "exceptional climate events" pan out a bit more..

**DASHES OFF TO BUY A JETBOAT WHILE THEY'RE CHEAP**
Response to: Pot in canada is Illegal Posted February 26th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/24/08 11:06 PM, Kyle101 wrote: ..Pot should be ILLEGAL ..especially since i know people who got cancer from pot.

PROOF?

"Meanwhile, back in fantasy land..."

"[PROZAC] the world's most popular antidepressant, which is taken by over 40 million people, has been deemed no better than a placebo in latest research carried out by department of psychology at Hull University."

Response to: Poverty? Posted February 19th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/19/08 09:10 PM, AMP-d wrote: So, let's discuss poverty.. It's a bit of a Catch-22.

Poverty is when you fine someone who can't afford to do what you're fining them for.

Response to: What's wrong with Capitalism? Posted February 19th, 2008 in Politics

The problem with Capitalism is that it places value on everything that can possibly be sold, excluding quality of life..

- The water in the bottle.
- The lumber in the rainforests.
- The family time of an executive.
- The exclusivity of a holiday resort.
- The "undervalued resources" of non-capitalist countries.

It's Capitalism's desire to own everything that can be owned..

- Sections on the Moon.
- The air that we breathe.
- The life-saving treatments.
- The "wasted lands" of indigenous peoples.

Once Capitalism owns everything, it seeks to own..

- The internets.
- Your beliefs.
- Your DNA.
- Your past.
- Your future.
- Ideas.

Anyone who refuses this Total Commodification, are grouped or divided for cassification, and demonized as if they possess evil corrupting powers.

end irony
Response to: 4 Years in jail for 0.003g of weed. Posted February 17th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/17/08 08:36 AM, ThePretenders wrote: A Swiss national currently serving 4 years after 3 poppy seeds were found on his clothes by customs officials at Dubai airport. He had bought and eaten a bread roll at Heathrow before flying to UAE.

This guy must have looked like a serious gangsta baker's assistant.

Response to: 2025 Posted February 17th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/17/08 04:46 AM, TheMason wrote:
17 years from now...
It's my own. I've been looking into India and China for awhile now..

Well sure, the advancing aging problem is looming on the horizon for most countries, but as a techie (not solely a dreaming TREKKIE like Al6200 ;O) ..there's one thing not be overlooked; namely robots.

Yeah I know, guys like me have been trumpetting the coming "Cambrian Explosion" for as many years as computers have been affordable, but honestly, their time will come. Honda for instance, when they first demo'd their prototype Asimo robot, they were quick to explain that although they had a good basic mechanical droid, they still expected that as far as hardware and software for artificial intelligence was concerned, that would still be at least another 10 years away. That was back in 2000.

Remember, Honda is not some small "investment" prototyping company. They are perhaps better placed for mass-production of high-end robots than anyone, having been a leader in high-end motorbikes for decades. If we say 5 more years to Honda's own large-scale production run, then another 5 for Japanese backed Chinese companies to ramping up for cost efficiencies and diverse designs, then we've still got another 5 years back-filling demand (say 15 years total).

During these 15 years the software/hardware side will go ballistic. And even if the artificial intelligence isn't quite up to independant labouring duties, then all those elderly folk (old bodies, young minds) will have a fit and strong buddy doing their labouring by supervised instruction. And those that can work independantly will do 3 shifts for every 1 human.

While labouring will continue to be outsourced to China and the like for decades without exhausting those populous', supervising robots should become a boon industry for the elderly job market, which will be sufficient to satisfy most localized labouring shortages.

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Response to: 2025 Posted February 17th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/17/08 04:46 AM, TheMason wrote: 17 years from now....

Personally, i don't forsee any of that happening. Who's predictions were they?

China for instance, has got just as much chance of doing a deal with US over Taiwan in exchange for retiring it's massive bond debt prior to defaulting on payments. The difference between China's economic structure and Taiwan's isn't what it used to be ideologically speaking, ie. Capitalism vs Communism.

Response to: Full Tanks Empty Stomachs Posted February 17th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/16/08 11:35 PM, carbanonzo wrote: ... "The only answer to these problems is a dramatic reduction in our energy and resource consumption".

I agree with the science, but i can't agree ^his conclusion to what is split equally between a global social and a global eco problem.

Response to: New Iraq Flag Posted February 15th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/14/08 06:56 PM, Cuppa-LettuceNog wrote: The only similarities between it and the Israeli flag is the color blue...

Oh yeah, THAT, and the fact that;

- it would be the only flag in the entire region WITHOUT RED, BLACK or GREEN (except Israel)
- if the light yellow faded (as only light yellow can) then it would be only flag in the region appearing exclusively WHITE and BLUE (except Israel again of-course)
- in the hot midday Sun (you know, they have a lotta Sun in Iraq!) you wouldn't see the light yellow half the time anyway.
- it has NOT JUST BLUE, BUT EXACTLY TWO BLUE STRIPES, very much like Israel has EXACTLY TWO BLUE STRIPES.
- hanging dishevelled from a flag pole, you'd pretty much only see the WHITE with TWO BLUE STRIPES anyway.
- it has a FADED Cresent, which, if it had faded any more, you could pretty much gaffiti in a Star, and you'd have a passable fake Israeli flag to burn.
- and even if you did get caught burning it, you could make a strong claim that you were short-sighted/drunk/sun-blinded, and actually thought it WAS an Israeli flag!

..other than that, it was pretty fucken gay, and you gotta wonder what the American (coalition) was thinking at the time..

BRING ON the insurgency no doubt.
Response to: Australia apologizes to Indigenous Posted February 14th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/13/08 07:03 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
At 2/13/08 07:05 AM, JudgeDredd wrote: Thou, if only a few generations removed.
The removing of children from their families is not directly related to the English moving to Australia. That was my point, but I'm not sure what yours is.

You're sliding behind the term "not directly". You're "not directly" involved. English colonization is "not directly" the cause. The re-emergance of the issue following Howard's crackdown on indigenous communities is perhaps "not directly" your problem, because you're "not directly" old enough to vote. Maybe you're "not directly" sorry, because it "not directly" implies compensation. You tell me.

Response to: The Terrorists Have Won Posted February 14th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/14/08 12:29 PM, Slizor wrote: The general conception of terrorists is not only widely misguided, but is construed in such a way intentionally.

Couldn't agree more.

Response to: The Terrorists Have Won Posted February 14th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/13/08 08:36 PM, Slizor wrote: Terrorists don't have the ultimate aim of terrorising people,

..yet, as their name suggests, their goal is to spread terror.

..they have (mostly) tangible political goals that they feel are not represented/possible in mainstream politics.

Look, perhaps in the 70's and 80's that was true of the odd hijacking, but today's terrorists aren't exactly hanging around for a political anything. If a political outcome was their purpose, it would only be to draw America into a potentially endless unwinnable conflict, which is exactly what Bush has (upto this point) delivered them.

Except.. unless you are meaning the Iraqi insurgants, which we're often told, pretty much include former members of Saddam's Baathist Party, whom as we speak, are being re-admitted back into the Iraqi parliment. Yeah, their goal has always been political! As a matter of fact, America could have just posted that US $30 million on Saddam's head from the start, and with a bit of luck and timing, have bypassed the whole messy war entirely.

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Response to: New Iraq Flag Posted February 14th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/14/08 06:53 AM, RommelTJ wrote: Five years of occupation and that's political progress? ...

Hmpff! Failed to find an archive flag chart i was looking for ..but this pic sums up this "new flag announcement" just fine...
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New Iraq Flag

Response to: New Iraq Flag Posted February 14th, 2008 in Politics

....OH-MY-GAWD!

What's this gay "whitey" surrender flag shit!? Even a blood splattered oily rag would be an improvement, not to mention, a tad more honest..

Response to: The Terrorists Have Won Posted February 13th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/13/08 07:51 AM, Slizor wrote: Err......what does this topic have to do with terrorists? I was under the impression that terrorists would "win" when they achieve their goals, be that an independent state or the removal of Western forces from Islamic lands....not the death of a child in an airport.

I think you know the answer.. but i'll say it anyway..

Those two goals cannot be achieved by either peace or war of insurgants (lose-lose) against western superior technology. The weapon of terror is about the fear of the irrational mind.. when one's perspective is so wrought with fear that even a mother with her ill baby are considered a credible threat, because the potential for suicide is everpresent. This irrational logic becomes like a cancerous growth as it feeds on other rational minds, spreading fear and irrational behaviour ever wider..

The "freedoms they hate" (in this scenario) are the freedoms you are likely to lose before you say "enough!", and something in your mind snaps. In war they call it 'shell shock', and increasing levels of suicide of American troops are one such evidence of it's affect on the outwardly rational mind. In civil life we call it rage ..like road rage. When patience utterly collapses. A falling-down of the human spirit. Not too different when facing the two unachieveable goals you stated.

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Response to: The Terrorists Have Won Posted February 13th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/12/08 11:51 PM, tony4moroney wrote: The TSA protect us from terrorist babies now

And before anyone (Memorize) says it, this has NOTHING to do with carrying infant milk bottles on planes, or islamic women feigning pregnancy for oversize strap-on bombs.

Response to: Australia apologizes to Indigenous Posted February 13th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/13/08 05:47 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
At 2/13/08 05:02 AM, fli wrote: *eye rollie*
People alway making excuses to invade and destroy peoples...
You do realise that "the stolen generation" has nothing to do England colonising Australia, right?

Thou, if only a few generations removed.

Let's see, did it have anything to do with kids being torn from their families (adopted out to whites, or raised in dorms) ..replacing the oppressive poverty trap of a loving family with the mental torture of suspecting your entire family and culture has been wiped from the earth like common genocide.

Damn, just saying "sorry" is a bargain at any rate.

Response to: Ng Voting : Presidential Elections Posted February 13th, 2008 in Politics

Despite the pretty intensive recoding/redesign of the NG website over recent years, i've been kinda disappointed that voting hasn't extended beyond games/movies/audio (and perhaps the odd art comp of late). We can't even vote off idiots or thread spam (ie. left to the providence of hardened mods no less), and judging by it's authority structure NG is only marginly better than the reality on the outside (home-detention with a free ankle-bracelet). Heck, by the time the Fulps are insanely rich (threatening to sell to highest bidder) and the first internet wars begin, it'll be as close to real life as an actual stint in prison with oled-paper & surreptitious wifi.

Join ma crew or die noob..

digg the prison-grey color scheme yet?? ;O)
Response to: Mississipi seeks to ban Fat people Posted February 9th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/8/08 05:57 PM, Proteas wrote:
At 2/7/08 09:11 PM, JudgeDredd wrote: oversize coffins,
.... coffins. You're worried about the way fat people will effect the coffin industry?

Hey, being specific only as far as giving some examples here. Just talking about knock-on effects; next, herses or kilns not being wide enough. And perhaps before that, firefighters being unable to effect timely rescues on ladders or stretchers. And so on and so forth.

Mississipi seeks to ban Fat people

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 9th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/8/08 11:41 PM, SkunkyFluffy wrote: Charlie says MAOW!

Dan-Chan musing..
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- The Regulars Lounge Thread -

Response to: - The Regulars Lounge Thread - Posted February 8th, 2008 in Politics

UOTD Leeloo-Minai!

Kitty Kat ready to pownce..
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- The Regulars Lounge Thread -

Response to: Mississipi seeks to ban Fat people Posted February 7th, 2008 in Politics

At 2/7/08 08:21 PM, Proteas wrote: Explain to me how one fat person weighing 300 pounds taking up two seats on an airplane is using more fuel than two skinny people that would have normally sat in those two seats.

More flights.

And as far as wear and tear on roads and infrastructure goes..

I'm not talking about a road bridge collapse (well, perhap the odd footbridge here and there) but more generally speaking; oversize coffins, upgrade of the gearing and electronics of devices for lifting and lowering people (like for those coffins again), recalculation of stadium capacity dependant on max structural loads, lift capacities, etc.