At 4/16/09 05:45 PM, Ravariel wrote:
At 4/16/09 05:10 PM, JoS wrote:
It depends on where you set the bar. Additionally, gym starts at what like grade 1? If we start earlier focusing on fitness there will be less need for remidal work later on.
That is the problem... where DO you set the bar? And how do you determine if the bar's been crossed? Does a kid have to make 5/10 free throws to pass "baskteball"? Does he have to run a mile in 8 minutes? Or should we instead look at progress? And then how do we measure that?
Take basic evaluations of physical fitness and compare students to the scientifically established percentile scores. Make a pass say 40th percentile score or something like that.
Use standard evaluations like say 100 meter sprint or 1 mile run or beep-test, push up scores, sit up tests, flexibility (ie toe reach), vertical jumps, standing long-jump etc etc etc. Do not make them skill based, make these standards things that are actual tests of physical fitness.
At 4/16/09 05:57 PM, MetalSlimeHunt wrote:
I am not suggesting that they should stay like that at all. But if a badly out of shape student who cares about their grades dearly, what will they do? The same exact thing Anorixics do: Stop eating and start exersiseing.
Or maybe they will put down the X-box controller and go to the fucking park once and a while. Maybe they won't get a ride to the corner store, maybe they will walk. Maybe they will take up some sport, join their local YMCA etc etc etc. I am fairly certain that the benefits of this idea would drastically outweigh any risks. I highly doubt their will be a rise in eating disorder rates.
Eating disorders are not as simple as you would like to think. They are not based upon I want to get fitter, they are based on body image. People with anorexia want to be skinny, they are not concerned with performance on standardized fitness testing. People with anorexia hide it, the brainy kid who just wants an A is motivated by performance, they won't be secretly puking or chugging laxatives, since their goal is to run faster, they will practice running faster.
The kid wanting an A is goal setting. Do weddings cause an increase in anorexia from brides wanting to fit into their dresses? No, it results in a rise in gym memberships for 6 weeks.
And I don't mean in moderation, that would be good for them. I mean One bottle of water a day and 8+ hours of exersiseing untill they drop from exaustion.
I am well aware of what anorexia is. And you are wrong, they do not exercises 8+ hours a day, some do not exercises at all. The characteristics of Anorexia are excessive obsession with exercise, unrealistic body expectations and purging. Besides, how many 8 year olds have 8 hours to spend working out without anyone noticing either? even a hardcore anorexia case in a high schooler would not result in 8 hours a day. Its not physically possible.
The bar needs to be set at 110% on every individual.
No, because that creates two problems. One, how do you define 110% from each individual? You create minimum standards they have to meet, then you can have a portion of the mark allotted for effort, but if you simply make it 110% of your best there is no clear pass or fail mark given. Everyone can pass as long as they try their best, even if they weigh 500lbs and cant do one push-up.
The All-Star would have to do way more than the obese kids. One size does not fit all. In a system like that, the all-stars would be bored and the out of shape would be stuggleing.
Kind of like every other subject in school? Thats why you make part of the marks based on effort, but alot more to the ability to preform on testing.
Also, 8 yr olds in adult life jackets? How... I didn't think that was metabolicly possible for children that young! What the hell are they eating?
Eating shit and not doing any physical activity. The sad part is there is at least one in nearly every class. I would say of the over 1000 children I will teach this year probably 10% will be big enough for adult life jackets with at least another 25% being above average size.