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At 9/4/13 07:52 PM, thisismyboat wrote: At 9/4/13 07:40 PM, JessieK wrote::

The difference being I am not doing this to make money, I am doing this for fun and to get better despite what people here may think, the issue is of course that I wasn't aware this was such a huge issue and I have now gotten a lot of heat from it.

You're asking our advice because you think we're good trustyworthy artists who can help you out. We are telling you that tracing (and no matter how much you kick and scream and try to bend the rules, it is tracing) does not make you better. Copying painting techniques teaches you how to replicate certain styles. Using other's artwork as inspiration is a good jumping-off point for creativity. Drawing from life teaches you how to draw well. Tracing something line for line and changing the colours doesn't teach you anything. If you want to get better, show us something new drawn from life where we can give you real advice. We're happy to do it and we'll be able to see it's actually yours because it won't be some anime apple that might be from somewhere else. If you want asspats, go somewhere else because we're not as stupid as you think.

Okay then deal, I will go and draw something from life, and again I have openly admitted I was wrong before, and said sorry a number of times for the mistakes I have made, I am not kicking an screaming but it seems you kinda want me to, I am a bit peeved that my other work which was done fully by me is being ignored but I understand why, I will go out and take a picture of something down my road or in a park or someting, I will then come back and draw said picture I will post both pictures up and you can be the judge from there, that seems like a fair way to clear my name, though if that does not clear this up then I am done here.

At 9/4/13 07:36 PM, thisismyboat wrote:

At 9/4/13 07:23 PM, JessieK wrote: and once again, the art I posted that is "traced" still required me to draw, overall it was the pose/background I took.

Yeah, no, that doesn't fly. If I retype all of Orwell's 1984 and tell people it's mine because I still had to type all of the letters and only took the content, it's still theft. Also, the pose/background IS THE ENTIRE PAINTING.

Seriously, if you want feedback of your artwork, start something new and let us forget all of this since we're not able to trust any of your current artworks. Pull out an apple, draw it the best you can and put it up for us to judge. We'll be able to give you much better advice on a realistic piece anyways because we'll be able to see your exact process and what parts of art you're lacking in.

But I could have taken the base apple from somewhere else, I even recorded me doing the art and that did not fly, I can post up many of my pieces in there early stages but it won't fly, the thing is I do this for fun, and this is not fun anymore I know I drew the stand alone images I have posted, and my intent on the other 3 was not that I wanted to steal and hide them and make...I donno money...it was that I liked having something of a base to work from because that was much better for me at the time, and I was none the wiser, even with the art I post now it will always be disregarded, fine, guess I am done here after all which sucks of course I don't want to leave, this is meant to be fun for me, and this arguing is not, so yeah.

At 9/4/13 07:32 PM, Aigis wrote:

At 9/4/13 07:23 PM, JessieK wrote: and once again, the art I posted that is "traced" still required me to draw, overall it was the pose/background I took.

If you take someone else's work and present it as your own, you're a thief. Just because you went through the motions of disguising your theft by tracing over it and changing the colours doesn't mean anything.

It takes effort on the part of a car thief to steal a car and have it painted so it doesn't get recognised. That doesn't make it okay, no matter what Grand Theft Auto tells you.

The difference being I am not doing this to make money, I am doing this for fun and to get better despite what people here may think, the issue is of course that I wasn't aware this was such a huge issue and I have now gotten a lot of heat from it.

theres pretty much no evidence I can show here that can't be disproved unless I site down and record me drawing each of my pieces of art from now on

even if I show the base of the art for my last piece which was this: http://i.imgur.com/arnSaiN.png theres still a tiny chance I got this from somewhere else and used the pose, even though that still means I did a lot of work.

At 9/4/13 07:17 PM, Artist-Lost wrote:

At 9/4/13 06:41 PM, JessieK wrote:

Your not getting more feedback because you lost credibility, how can we trust that the other images are really yours, or not tracings?

I mean the first image I posted has a speed art for it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u82XRNnqkXY (not sure if this breaks the rules if it does sorry) something I feel to get my foot back in I may need to do for each of my new drawings for a while just to prove I can do stand alone pieces.

and once again, the art I posted that is "traced" still required me to draw, overall it was the pose/background I took.

At 9/4/13 06:54 PM, Kinsei wrote:

At 9/4/13 06:41 PM, JessieK wrote: hopefully its enough for others.

um, ok. then tell me where this background is from.
It doesn't match the art, or even the style

also this one while your at it.

Be honest and legit about those, and you might have a chance.

Oh and whats up with the the second one I got listed there. Their are a ton of threads mad on a bunch of different sites all asking for feedback on it, all made within the past few weeks I might add. I assume all those post are you, but whats the deal man, you just hitting up every art forum you can find to try and drum up as many views as possible, or are you just hanging out until the current community gets pissed off enough about the tracing thing on your other works and throw you out, or are you legitimately trying to get feed back.

I'm not trying to be an ass here, but you gotta admit, shit aint lining up. So a level with us here, and maybe things will go a bit smoother.

Honestly wasn't aware that it was that must of an issue, with those two I honestly put time and effort in to them both are based off of other images again happy to admit that, this is the first time I have gotten any problems from it, so I assumed it was an okay thing to do, as the characters and designs were all done by me as was the over all drawing itself, it was mainly poses and settings I was after when I used pictures like that, which is something I will now for the life of me avoid doing, I am honestly after feedback and I was really not expecting this much kick back for using something as a base for my drawings, its never come up before and I have made a few posts around about this asking for feedback.

I'm really not trying to be an arse here.

At 9/4/13 06:17 PM, Artist-Lost wrote: Based on the evidence it is clear that you traced the image and did not bother crediting the original artist until after you were caught. That made you loose quite a lot of points. Best to admit the truth before its gameover.

I'm not admitting to something I didn't intend on doing, do once again keep in mind that piece is rather old, I had forgotten how overall similar it was to the piece I used as its base, I thought I had changed a lot more than it would appear I have.

Things I am happy to admit and am not denying is that I should have credited the original artist, I didn't put much thought in to uploading these, I really should have gone looking for that image again and linked in in the description both on here and on my new DA account, I simply forgot/didn't think about it, these things happen.
I am happy to admit how similar the two pictures now are, I had honestly thought I had changed more than I had, of course I have used that image as a base for a few different pieces I have done so mixing them up can happen (you can see one above)
things I won't admit its a full trace, because its not the characters clothing and overall style is very different from the original, the pose is the same though.
I won't admit that I purposely withheld credit from the original artist, this was an honest mistake I deserve crap for that of course, but it was not my intent.

Now, I see why I am getting issues from this, I would to if I was on your end, BUT I have posted more images during all of this and gotten no feedback from them, over all I got 1 piece of feedback and them just aggressive comments then on out.

I would love for this to get back on track as I have other work I was after feedback on

I messed up I am sorry, but I doubt that will be enough for some, hopefully its enough for others.

At 9/4/13 01:29 PM, thisismyboat wrote:

At 9/4/13 12:39 PM, JessieK wrote: I am pretty sure I linked to the original art I worked from on my DA account but didn't even think about it when doing it here, I still personally don't see this as theft but I can see why its caused issue here, very sorry.

No, it wasn't. I checked your DA before posting that to see if I should give you the benefit of the doubt. Your description doesn't give anyone the slightest hint that this art belong to someone else. At the time of posting, it says "A little piece I did a while back, based on two OCs I worked on for an upcoming visual novel. Hope you enjoy".

Basically, the rule of thumb is if you could hold both pieces side-by-side and a judge couldn't tell a significant difference, it's considered theft. You could be annoyed if copied one of your drawings, so please don't do to other artists. Copying (not tracing) master's works is a totally acceptable way of learning, but present as practice and give credit to the original artist. Even then, it's mostly used as a way of learning how to replicate a particular style rather than how to draw well.

As for inspiration, use it as a way to flex your creativity, not copy. Alphonse Mucha is a source of inspiration for many artists because of his distinct style, but you can still see how later artists tweaked it to suit their own message.

Again I doubt that was the DA account I was referring to, I recently set up a new DA account along with this account on this site, because I closed my original DA account like 6 months ago, due to me never using that site, so anything that did get posted on there chances are it was just a quick type up without really thinking, again these things happen, if you wish to continue to give me trouble for it please message me, I have said sorry I am about to go edit all of my stuff to add sources to the original art, as I said these things happen and it was a while back that I drew that so I didnt even think twice about just posting that one up here, and again the characters were still drawn by me, its not like I only tweaked the lighting or something.

And for some reason that transparent background has come out black here, which is rather annoying

also to stir here is a second one I forgot I had even tried based off of my own very early picturer

At 9/4/13 11:48 AM, TurkeyOnAStick wrote:

At 9/4/13 10:38 AM, JessieK wrote: in fact the whole picture I created was still created 100% by me

No it wasn't.

That background is the exact same, other than a modification of the colours. You definitely didn't create that, and the overlaid pic below shows the figures are traced.

This pic is the same; you have a high resolution figure over a low res, artifacted background. Behind the girl's right shoulder is the the shoulder from the original painting.

I am pretty sure I linked to the original art I worked from on my DA account but didn't even think about it when doing it here, I still personally don't see this as theft but I can see why its caused issue here, very sorry.

anyway I will post another of mine which is an earlier one as well, I am sorry for any offence this has caused, it was not my intent to cause issue.

At 9/3/13 10:49 PM, thisismyboat wrote:

At 9/3/13 03:36 PM, JessieK wrote: My earlier stuff looks like this

Don't copy other people's artwork. You won't learn squat and you'll look like a doofus.

It wasn't copyed, it was inspired by, back then I enjoyed having something to work from, in fact the whole picture I created was still created 100% by me and still was used how I wanted it to be used, I just saw that and was inspired to draw a piece similar, and actually I learnt a ton from that piece so I am not sure what you are on about...

My earlier stuff looks like this

Hey guys, I am not much of a forum goer really but after looking around these forums I decided to make a post here, I am in need of some feedback on some of my art, whether it be good, or bad I want to hear it, I am really trying to make my art better and I would love to get some feedback so here goes.

This image is my latest picture, and was started and finished within 3 days.