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At 2/7/05 04:04 PM, BeFell wrote:

"If you are kept up all night you can always just call in sick the next morning. No need to be a whiner."

You still havent justified passing a fascist law.

At 2/7/05 03:48 PM, Gunter45 wrote: . Last time I checked, there are noise laws that are enforced in the US. If you want to take the case to the Supreme Court to dispute the constitutionality of these laws, then be my guest, but you'd be laughed right out of court. I doubt that you'd even make it to the State Courts.

Yes because society is full of pricks like yourself

At 2/7/05 03:44 PM, Professor_Burgees wrote:

:: Let me expand on that; restrictions = not freedom = real world

Agreed

If you're not a moaner, why the fuck are you still going on? Why can't you put up with the noise restriction laws?

Well what's wrong with just hating it because of the principle of the matter? If I see a law that I feel is frivilous I'll be against it wether it affects me or not.

Earplugs aren't that effective when it's really loud, because you can feel the vibrations through the air, and through floor/walls, etc. If you dont believe me. try going to school and learning basic science...

That is true when it gets loud enough, I don't find them uncomfortable as to keep me awake though. If it does get too much noisier though it can damage your walls(the damn truth I swear), and that shouldn't be allowed. But at that point it's just noise, it's vandalism.

If you work in a concentration-heavy job, like the machinery operating guy above, you could very well be...

Well I think he's lying about it(and his age) anyway. Usually jobs that require handling heavy machinery require you to be at least 21(though not neccesarily, even the ones that don't, prefer you be 21 or over). I don't think anyone would get that tired and not realise they should call in to work. At least not if they're smart enough that the law allows them to drive a vehical.

At 2/7/05 03:37 PM, Gunter45 wrote: I said it once and I'll say it again. The state has the power to limit freedom based on a compelling interest. For instance, smoking cigarettes in a crowded public setting is outlawed because the state has a compelling interest in maintaining the health of its citizens. Likewise, the state has a compelling interest in keeping people from making more than a reasonable amount of noise in a residential area in order that people can function to the best of their ability in society. The state does not have any interest in allowing you to make as much noise as you want in a neighborhood, in fact, it would be irresponsible of the government to allow you to do so. If you really want to make a bunch of noise, you can, just not in an area that would cause a nuissance (i.e.: a neighborhood where people are trying to sleep).

You're going back to the "whole are greater than the one" which I provided proof earlier is fascist. If you want to live in a fascist country, I believe zimbabwae is currently one, so you should go there, where you'll have plenty of "rights" not to be disturbed.

At 2/7/05 03:30 PM, BeFell wrote:

What if that person tells you to "fuck off" and turns their music up louder? Oh I get it that's why we need earplugs. You are such a <blaspheme> moron.

Just saying so doesn't prove it. Prove the earplugs not being a good solution, and prove your laws not to be fascist, you've failed.

Sorry, you're the one who quit due to losing.

They finally fall

At 2/7/05 03:15 PM, Maus wrote: JerkClock, wouldn't making drunk driving illegal infringe upon the right to drive? It's a freedom. I mean, it's their right to drive.

Yeah, but I don't think anyone believes you should have that right(except drunk drivers). Drunk driving is much more serious than being a nuissance though. It's like comparing flicking someone's ear, to stabing them.

My point is this, we don't need laws to cover every little thing that annoys us, especially when there are non-legislative solutions to them. Is a person wrong for deliberatly disturbing people at night if they are to politely knock on his door and ask him not to? Yeah, does this mean we need laws for it? No, you can plug your ears. You can't however just wear a blastsuit at all times in anticipation of a drunk driver veering of the road and into you/your house.

Don't get so angry when someone takes your ridiculous extreme and shows you just how dumb it is.

Well it's more because he tried to say I had issue with cops and stuff when it was clear I didn't.

At 2/7/05 02:35 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

What are earplugs, and why are they needed?
They are a means to suppress the noise coming from somewhere (in this case, YOU and YOUR parties)

What else can perform the function of earplugs?
Many things. Including, but not limited to: headphones, static noise, soundproof glass, legislation.

You acknowledge all this yet you still wish to push your bullshit on other people, sad really.

Apparently, enough people got sick of your shit (being obnoxiously loud and unbearably rowdy)

I'm not having any problem as I said above, I'm against the principle of the matter

You're a 21 year old child.

You're an 18 year old child, are you actually stupid enough to think people won't notice this? In fact, you're probably 5 but pretending to be 18.

:What? You are pretty fucking stupid. Why should you be forced to wear earplugs when they just have to turn down their music?

The point is there are non-legislative solutions, but assholes like you wish to restrict the freedoms of others instead.

:Hell lets just follow through with the world you would like to have. If people are making too much noise I'll just walk over there and shoot them. Hell if you don't mind disturbing people with noise then you shouldn't mind being disturbed by bullets.

You are drawing a totally unreasonable comparison, loud noise is not(as said above in the thread) anything like killing people. If you walk over and ask them politely to be quiet and they don't, then they probably deserve to get their asses kicked. Not shot though, and it still doesn't mean you pass laws about it, if we outlaw every annoyance out there we'll pretty much have nothing left to do. Almost everything out there annoys somebody, but that's not a reason to regulate everything.

:The right to play loud music and keep me awake at night is not a right.

Yes it is, a lack of restriction is a right.

:Why should I put earplugs in when you could just shut the fuck up?

Because it's supposed to be a "free" country, not a country where we get, "peace and quiet".

:Why should I risk my life driving on a road with intoxicated drivers when you could just not drink?

Who the fuck said drunk driving should be legal? No one? That's right moron. No one.

:It is commonly accepted logic that the needs of the many outway the needs of the few or the one.

NO:

http://www.bartleby.com/65/fa/fascism.html

:Fascism, especially in its early stages, is obliged to be antitheoretical and frankly opportunistic in order to appeal to many diverse groups. Nevertheless, a few key concepts are basic to it. First and most important is the glorification of the state and the total subordination of the individual to it. The state is defined as an organic whole into which individuals must be absorbed for their own and the state’s benefit. This “total state” is absolute in its methods and unlimited by law in its control and direction of its citizens.

At 2/7/05 11:58 AM, BeFell wrote:
The cops break up teen drinking parties because when they are in town they disturb the people living in that area and when they are out in the middle of nowhere dumbass teens try to drive home after getting smashed. That sounds like a damn good reason for it to be illegal to me but apparently Jerk clock enjoys being kept awake at night and getting plowed into.

So in order to hate something I have to want it to be against the law? Idiot, no I don't. I just don't believe outlawing it is the answer(hello earplugs?).

Most laws exist for very good reasons and most of the people who wine about them are just pissed off because it prevents them from doing something that takes away the personal freedom of another. As Ben Franklin said "Your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." You can't claim you have the right to do something when it takes away someone else's rights.

Right not to be woken up is not a right, a right not to see nudity on the TV is not a right, a right not to hear "fuck" is not a right. What you said right there is the most common excuse people have for whining to the legislature about problems that really are no big deal, or you can solve on your own to begin with. If you won't those "rights", Russia will give all of them and many more, and you can't tell me you don't want to because you like being free, you made it clear you do not. You like having peace, drug regulations, and alchohol restrictions instead. You made that clear.

At 2/7/05 04:47 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

And one of those hardships is you not being able to disrupt others' lives.

No that's a restrictions, restrictions = not freedom.

. Give me a scenerio where loud noise and/or underage drinking in a neighborhood setting serves a purpose to the beneficiality of our American society.

Entertainment, society doesn't need to be just productive yet boring.

Or freedom to sacrifice children to heathen gods. Or marry siblings. Or smoke crack. Or drive drunk. Or. . . well, you name it.

Okay

1. Just no, and I mean no drug laws are just at all:

a. The only victim is the one doing it

b. don't give me that DWI Bullshit about drugs, DWI is illegal without them and it's not stopping people, so the drug laws won't stop any DWI's

c. Keeping drugs exclusively on the black market expands it, giving drug cartels more murders to commit and osama bin laden a big source of income

2. Saying fuck, and making noise are in no way anywhere near as heinous as murder and drunk driving. They're not even malacious deeds

Laws, like the ones that're being disgust, are just in the sense that they serve the majority. The majority being people who don't like being woke at 2am by loud music and drunken shenanigans.

Just because the majority don't like being woke up doesn't mean they all in unisom want there to be laws regulating it. There are plenty of things that annoy me, but I don't write my congressman about them, I either put up or take care of the problem myself.

I know also. And I've also ran into problems at my job when I can't get enough sleep due to rowdy neighbors. I work with heavy machinery and other dangerous shit, so when I come into work groggy cuz some dipfuck didn't have the decency or respect to tone it down on a Tuesday night, I get pretty pissed. One slip could fuck me up for life. My awareness is almost solely dependant on what kind of sleep I get. This is why my right to peace and quiet is favored by the majority, and the legislature, over your right to "freedom to do whatever"

You have still failed to prove the majority supports the law. Or for that matter why the fact that you're too stupid to use earplugs means a law is neccessary. Are they really that hard to find, or home-make for that matter?

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Did you know there is a law that allows lawsuits like this to be heard in court?

No, but it's just as stupid as the noise laws. A man saying, "I didn't know to press the break, so I'm sueing honda for the crash" is actually in some ways less frivilous than the noise laws being passed because people don't know how to plug their ears. At least if you lose, say 5 hours of sleep you aren't going to be crippled for life.

Actually, I think it is, if it's past a certain hour and not directly beneficial to the person you're calling.

Sad day for america.

If a phone is ringing late at night, odds are there is a good, legitimate reason for it.

What if they just want to chit-chat with someone they know is always up late?(night shift worker for instance)

Driving at night is necessary. Squealing your tires and revving the engine is not.

But the start up still makes a lot of noise.

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Trains were there when they moved. They knew trains are loud. If they were residents before the train, the city council would've taken a vote and hearing on the issue before instituting the tracks and train.

Ah so noise is perfectedly acceptable when the city council(the law) says so, but not when they don't. This effectively proves my point that you think the law is always right no matter what.

At 2/7/05 03:42 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

Your point is idiotic at best. I've already told you why

No it's not and no you haven't, the point is freedom comes with hardships, you completely missed it.

:.

Noise laws are still in effect, aren't they?

Prove them to be just, you still fail to do so.

I'm free to go there. But I want freedom.

No you don't, you want peace, you said so yourself.

:::. Give me a scenerio where loud noise and/or underage drinking in a neighborhood setting serves a purpose to the beneficiality of our American society.

Freedom, just like if we were allowed to show nudity on the air or say "Fuck" on the air it would be new "Freedoms".

Without noise laws in effect, people who make a difference in this country wouldn't be able to get a comfortable nights sleep, thus effecting them at their jobs, at home, or at school.

Let me put it this way, If you're that busy you''ll stay awake and be able to do your job, if you're that tired you can sleep through anything at home, and you'll have plenty of sleepless nights studying for school. I know due to personal experience.

...and frivilous laws are shit like this:

http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic.php?id=227490

That's fivilous lawSUITS, not frivilous laws. Big difference.

Let's put this another way, should at be illegal to call people at night? What if they're not sleeping? But wait, if they're not the next door neighbor might hear the ring(especially if they both have their windows open. Your car makes noise, turing the engine on may wake your neighbors up too. Should it be illegal to drive at night? What about the car alarm going off at 2:00am? Should Car alarms be illegal? What about trains? They can wake people up from miles away.

At 2/7/05 03:18 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

Hold a party that wakes your neighbors up.

Saying that doesn't prove that a "right not to be disturbed" is a right. If you want freedom you have to put up with hardships, if you want peace, you can live in Moscow, you'll get plenty of peace there.

Again, you're in the minority, deal with it.

You have failed to prove this to be the case.

If you want the so called "right to peace" you shouldn't live in a so called "free" country.

durrr....

If you realise this, Moscow is waiting... and no one is forcing you not to go there.

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Start a rebellion. It's why we have the right to keep and bear arms. Start a militia. Do something other than use the avenues granted to you by this "so-called" free state.

Not as easy as it sounds kid, if Thomas Jefferson had his way, we'd have one every 60 years, because he feared morons would overrun our country with frivilous laws and the governmentt would grow too strong to overthrow. He was right apparently.

At 2/7/05 02:40 AM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: .

:.

Your sense of justice differs from the majority; this is democracy. Deal with it or move.

No, it's a republic where elected officials make the laws for us. They don't neccessarily listen to the "majority". If they did the FCC would be abolished and the 3rd parties would get a fair chance.

Oh, gunna bring "correctness" into it now? Morally correct, legally correct, logically correct?

On any level, YOU lose.

Prove it then, you've failed.

Deal with it seems to be your only recourse (read: "earplugs") and my official response is MOVE. Once again, the neighbor's right to peace and quiet supercedes your right to party loud.

Deal with it.

As it is I live in a bad area, I don't really have that problem to begin with, but I also don't give a shit. I'm against the principle of the matter. If you want the so called "right to peace" you shouldn't live in a so called "free" country. I say so called because while we're supposed to be free, we have asinine laws like this. A lot of them in fact.

At 2/6/05 06:36 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote: Acting like an immature crybaby won't get you far in life.

Then stop

Understand that the law is there for a reason.

Yeah, because it was written, not because it's just. If you think any given law is automatically correct that's not a good sign for you.

And yes, you are a whiner.

No

You know what? What may be normal in your neighborhood isn't neccessarily normal in others. Don't tell everybody else here that noise laws are rediculous just because your used to being around loud obnoxious sound sorces

I wasn't born used to it, it took time :|. The point is even before I was, I never let it bother me. And yes noise laws are rediculus, again, "EARPLUGS", do you get it now?

At 2/6/05 06:22 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:
Speaking out against unjust laws?

YES

I see you're speaking out quite well.

Unjust laws AND BeFell's idiocy, happy now?

You're an idiot.

Prove it, you have not

Because it's illegal.

You dumbass you just proved my point, because it's illegal is not a valid reason to think that.

Sounds to me like you were addressing the, and quote, "Whiners, not cops dumbass."

So if an individual part of my post addresses, "Whiners, not cops dumbass.", then my entire post, and previous posts, and future ones are also addressing it too right?

Look before you argue maybe you should relize your style

At 2/6/05 06:17 PM, Proteas wrote:

You wouldn't be saying shit like that if it was happening to you, I guarentee it.

I onced lived with roommates who patried in the apartment all night even when I had to get up early, a neighbor with one of those really loud mufflers(sleeping by a window mind you), and currently in an area where people in their cars or appartments play loud music all day and night long because they want to. Don't tell me I haven't put up with this, I tolerate it because because I'm not the whiner type. It's happened so much in fact, that I no longer have any trouble sleeping when there's loud noise around me.

At 2/6/05 06:05 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

Any drinking involved? Any community noise restrictions in place? Who do you think people call when the neighbors are being rowdy, the YMCA? The call the cops, who then enforce the laws. No underage drinking, no disturbances to the community.

In no way Is speaking out against unjust laws talking about the cops who either enforce it or go to jail for failing to do so.

it's about kids having a place to party in peace

Kids having a place to party, hm?

Think about that a little more and tell me again it's not about cops (aka the people who enforce the law).

The funny thing is your post shows you made this arguement before reading the whole sentence, yet you were stupid enough to stick your foot in your mouth by not erasing it:

where people won't whine to the cops about it.

Whiners, not cops dumbass.

If that's all you want, go out into the boonies, not in a neighborhood. Otherwise, prepare to deal with neighbors who're pissed because they can't sleep due to your loud music and other party shenanigans.

I know that, but BeFell doesn't seem to think kids should have any place to do it, that's what I was addressing, not whether or not any such places actually exist.

At 2/6/05 05:56 PM, -LazyDrunk- wrote:

If it's illegal, it's not allowed, dipfuck. Police are paid to do their job. You know what their job is right? To enforce the law.

Morality has nothing to do with it.

Except that the arguement wasn't about cops, it's about kids having a place to party in peace where people won't whine to the cops about it.

At 2/6/05 05:32 PM, BeFell wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't underage drinking illegal? Adults can go to bars and nightclubs to drink and party. Children have no right to drink so there is no reason for them to have a place to do it.

<sarcasm>Why yes, if it's "illegal" it's automatically immoral and should never be done</sarcasm>, cut the bullshit BeFell.

At 2/6/05 03:38 PM, Maus wrote:
The FCC did get a bit big for its britches, and went overboard in a few cases. But the chairman just resigned, so we'll see.

But the problem I have with that is that the constitution ripping bastard is still alive, no one has him on a rack or any torture instrument either.

There's no real answer other than, "Because of whiney, lobbying dipshits". Would be nice if th FCC were abolished, and if also anyone who ever worked for them could not be legally employed or housed.

At 2/6/05 02:06 PM, Maus wrote: Well, sad to say, there ARE noise laws in effect.

If you hate them so much, petition to have them removed.

There are also drug laws in effect, but that doesn't mean they're just. And yes that 2nd line is a good idea.

At 2/6/05 01:51 PM, Maus wrote:

Seriously, you think that someone should have the right to sit in a car with their ghetto blaster blaring at 1.30 am? Or that your neighbors in an apartment building should have the right to throw an über loud party until 4 am?

Yes and yes.

It infringes on your right to a good night's sleep, so that you can wake rested, and go to school/work in the pursuit of happiness. THAT, my friend, is a right.

There's no law saying you can't sleep, if you're unable to due to noise you are legally allowed to buy earplugs, it's not your neighbors fault if you are too stupid to do so.

Hmm... when your read that then read my post it actually looks like I won the argument, how about that. Perhaps you should go post in the general forum until you can deal with the higher level reading skills it requires to interact with the "big people."

I said move from where you're at(away from your neighbors), not out of the country. If you seriously think there's a contrast, you're a moron.

At 2/6/05 01:36 PM, Maus wrote:
And I call bullshit on you.

For a small group of people to disrupt a large group of people's peace is not a right in this country. It's a nuisance. That's why there are noise laws.

Also, what if the loud and obnoxious neighbors moved in AFTER you? Who is right then?

I can list 100 pages of things that are a "nuisance" to me, but that doesn't mean they need to be illegal. Outlawing every little minor annoyance is just getting us nowhere but to be told we can only do few things because everything else annoys someone somewhere. Come on, that's ridiculus.

At 2/6/05 01:29 PM, BeFell wrote: You were probably being too loud and keeping the little old lady down the street awake. Laws are in place to protect your rights and the rights of others.

Ah horseshit, there is no "right not to be woken up". If you can't stand your loud and obnoxious neighbors, move. We're supposed to have "Freedom" in this country not "The ability to not be disturbed".

At 2/2/05 09:55 PM, BarferPro wrote: I'm a moron

Yes you are, the democrates rip the bill of rights to shreds just as the republicans do*cough*gun control*cough*.

At 2/2/05 12:41 PM, ZeroAsALimit wrote:
Well, you don't have to vote as you know, but each party will run the country differently, it's that simple.

If you had even bothered to read, he showed pretty well that they don't really.

You have a point with your topic, but you need more justification for it. Certainly the funerals thing is convincing, but one blip like that could simply be an oversight, so we'll need more examples.

At 12/24/04 09:49 PM, BonusStage wrote:

Are you back though, and are you still on the "MAKE SURE I DON'T LOOSE MY POINTS by getting equal amounts of each" mentality?

Yes and yes, and with wade cracking down on batting aberage based voting I seem to be having an easyer time getting protects so it's all good.

I'm surprized to still be in the top 300 after a long absence, but then again Wade did start cracking down on batting average based voting.