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At 10/18/12 04:32 PM, LemonCrush wrote: The Fed and Government buy things for $5 and sell them for $1

This was thoughtful and involved and you are a testament to American public schooling.

lol

Owning a company normally involves some basic understanding of punctuation and grammar. And not spending your days on the Newgrounds Politics Forum.

At 10/18/12 04:15 PM, LemonCrush wrote: Schools have no right to teach my kids about drugs, or sex, or any of that.

Or evolution. Fuck evolution.

At 10/18/12 04:12 PM, LemonCrush wrote:

At 10/13/12 11:58 PM, Slacker013 wrote: Go get yourself a television kid...

Ah, so the media is telling you Romney wants to invade Iran...

Well, I'd rather get my info from unbiased sources, or even better, the candidates themselves...

B-B-But Mitt's whole platform is that we should begin by showing Iran that our military is willing to strike. Words, not actions and all. Moving aircraft carriers into the Gulf and taking on a battle position. Increase our military planning with Israel for a strike.

What normally happens when policy includes massing aircraft carriers and "showing" Iran our military commitment to stopping them?

At 10/18/12 03:41 PM, JoS wrote: Precious metals main purpose is their value.

What's more fiat than that?

And more importantly, before you get into the reams of tired points about how I'm a shill or an apologist for some liberal media complex, that couldn't be farther from the truth. Feel free to look at my thread excoriating the Federal Reserve. If I felt what I did professionally had any relevance on my opinions here, I'd list it, but suffice to say the industry in which I work is not one that really rings true for the Obama Administration after the past four years.

At 10/18/12 03:09 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 10/18/12 03:01 PM, JMHX wrote:

DAT LIBERAL MEDIA...
stuff about FOX News

and what does ANY of that have to do with the debates?

You're making the claim that any Obama performance short of horrendous is due entirely to this vast network of liberal operatives in the media. It's a confirmation bias Democrats had in 2004 (but on the opposite end of the scale) and that Republicans had in 2012.

- Romney owns any victory
- Romney disowns any defeat because of external forces
- Obama owns any defeat
- Obama disowns any victory because of external forces

Whether you think the ideal moderator is a Lehrer type, or a Crowley, or somewhere in between, I think it's fair to say that the opposition movement in any presidential debate, that is the one with the opportunity to gain power, tends to fall into the trap of attributing good performances to skill and bad performances to coordinated efforts against the individual. In fact, one of the main reasons this wasn't so pronounced in 2008 is because BOTH candidates were challengers.

This is one of the main reasons why you're not hearing a lot of comparisons to 2008's debates. It's also the main reason why you heard a lot of comparisons to President Bush's poor performance against John Kerry in the first 2004 debate, and his recovery in the second 2004 debate. Bias is bad for business. The media's job is to build a horse race out of whatever they're given. There's no financial sense in cutting off the bulk of your audience when the metrics I've posted clearly show a healthy and commercially essential conservative presence in the media.

At 10/18/12 01:32 PM, Korriken wrote:

conspiracy? I never mentioned a conspiracy, they all lean left on their own. the stats speak for themselves. look at how many times Obama got the last word in at the last debate. coincidence? Doubt it. I expected better of you, really. I mean, you could refute me with facts, but instead you throw around the conspiracy card to try and discredit me.

DAT LIBERAL MEDIA

>#1 broadcast media outlet (daytime AND prime time) by a gigantic margin is the conservative FOX News
>#1 print media outlet by a large margin is the conservative Wall Street Journal
>#1, #2 and #3 radio media outlets are conservative talk radio organizations

>CNN Prime Time Viewership: 446,000
>MSNBC Prime Time Viewership: 689,000
>FOX Prime Time Viewership: 1,800,000
>CostCo Connection Magazine Readership: 8,600,000

Damn LIBRULZ. Damn CostCo.

Anonymous has as its core a rejection of the state system and the rule of law as we've built it. So they engage in their own retribution against people. The problem is, the people who face Anonymous's retribution are of their own choosing. There's no standard of law that holds up to any kind of analysis. It's nothing more than personal vendettas often launched against people who have knowingly or unknowingly offended a group of (mostly) 20-something to 30-something men scattered around the world.

That's no way to run a system, and we rejected that idea 500 years ago. So now they are caught and processed by the justice system for breaking a bunch of laws. How is any of this surprising?

At 10/18/12 11:00 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
Show me 1 example of a gold, silver based monitary system collapsing .
You can't even use Rome.

>Show me one example

>Don't use these examples

>Hope JMHX doesn't know about Portuguese destroying the global economy in the 17th Century by coining silver from Mexico City and Peru until markets shut down.

>Hope JMHX doesn't know about the Dutch in the 18th Century cornering the market on Indian Ocean trade and collecting so much silver and gold from Japan, the Moluccas and Aceh that the world went into a decade-long depression/hyperinflationary cycle.

>Hope JMHX doesn't know about the 19th Century, when the United States contributed to a major surge in world inflation prices thanks to the mass coining of gold and silver.

>Hope JMHX doesn't know about the 20th Century, when gold-backed policy became so out of touch with global demand that it caused a complete lockdown of global trade, stunting markets and worsening what became the Great Depression.

>Hope JMHX doesn't know about the 21st Century, when wingnuts consider 2% inflation in the paper markets of the U.S. to be Zimbabwe Redux, but a 600% inflation in the price of gold (even as gold supplies produced around the world are increasing - see 16th and 17th Century examples) isn't mentioned.

I liked when a bunch of their operatives went to prison for criminal electronic trespass and attempting to infiltrate the FBI. I guess that's what you get when you try to be Internet tough.

At 10/18/12 10:45 AM, morefngdbs wrote:
if you believe inflation is at 2%, then you also believe the "official" unemployment figures & you probably believe aliens are running you government !

I've made it a point not to debate wild government conspiracy theorists. Good luck auditing the Fed and all.

At 10/18/12 09:46 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/17/12 03:53 PM, JMHX wrote:

This is fact in the USA today & how you got where you are, the danger you are in with the present system & just how little most American's actually know about the banking system you are presently ruled by & the control they have over the media etc.

So no comment on that 2% inflation rate?

At 10/18/12 08:59 AM, morefngdbs wrote: IF countries of the world weren't concerned, the BRICS agreement wouldn't be in existence, China wouldn't be spending American dollars all over the world, trying to buy into undeveloped oil, land, metals etc risking dollars that if they were a 'safe' store of value they would hold onto !

China's neocolonialism is nothing new, they've been doing this for over a decade now. It has less to do with concern about the market than it has to do with China securing the commodities that will ensure its continued development.

A fiat system works Great for the creator of money. but by increasing the amount of money , decreases its value, thus robbing the saver.

You pretend like the same thing hasn't happened with gold-as-currency dozens of times in the past.

At 10/18/12 09:04 AM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/17/12 04:33 PM, JMHX wrote: Judging by some of the comments in my threads, the IQ has been flattening as well.

;;;
really

I believe i know where youy've been, the laundramat for cleaning a brain.

Yeah...that's it.

At 10/17/12 11:32 PM, Korriken wrote:

intellectual dishonesty, kind of like what you are displaying here, is the reason why American Politics can't move forward.

Hahahahahahahahaha

At 10/17/12 07:37 PM, Warforger wrote:

* Flare-up of Indian-Pakistan hostilities.

They've been at war 3 times now and now they're not going to go to war since they have nuclear weapons. I doubt China cared that much.

Dohohoho Kashmir.

* Collapse of EU which leads to financial collapse of US.

Europe makes up around 2% or America's trade.

HOW DO I INTO FINANCIAL MARKETS

At 10/17/12 06:38 PM, JoS wrote: What milestone? Oh you mean the 83 00 post that I just made in here?

Yes, the 8300.

At 10/17/12 05:08 PM, TheMason wrote:
As for the point about: "Countries dont go around looking for wars, they try to trade with eachother." That's not entirely accurate. The notion of make trade not war...did not exist until after WWII. Up until then...you increased your trade through war. If anyone is making a premise that makes no sense in the real world...it is this notion of yours about trade.

Amen, Mason. One need look no further than the Bosphorus, the Hellespont, the Moluccas, the entire Indian Ocean trade to see how war and trade went hand in hand well into the 19th century.

At 10/17/12 04:17 PM, lapis wrote:

At 10/17/12 01:31 PM, JMHX wrote: I wasn't going to miss the Lounge hitting another post milestone.

Also, I'd love to chart out the growth rate of posts in this thread. I'm betting it'd be a power law chart, and it'd look pretty awesome in an infographic format.

I think it's been flattening for a while now. Damn kids and their iPhones don't watch flash animations anymore.

Judging by some of the comments in my threads, the IQ has been flattening as well.

That 2% inflation is KILLIN ME, smalls. Soon it'll be TEN BILLION PERCENT.

At 10/17/12 03:51 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/17/12 03:46 PM, JMHX wrote:

Man you really have a lot to learn.
really have a lot to learn
a lot to learn
learn

yup.

At 10/17/12 03:44 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/17/12 03:40 PM, JMHX wrote: Let me go to the store and buy some food with these gold coins. Oh, wait...

;;;;
I never realised before how stund you are.
My bank is willing to allow me to back a loan with gold as collateral....& you seem to think it isn't money.

the substance your brain is made of is denser than gold, unfortunately it isn't
even as valuable as tungsten...too bad.

Yeah, I can use my condo as collateral, but that doesn't mean my condo is money. Collateral is used to GET money. And what is money? That paper you keep rambling about. Like I said, take those gold coins to a car wash and see if they'll cash 'em.

At 10/17/12 03:32 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

At 10/16/12 08:46 PM, JMHX wrote:

Selling on e-bay , kijiji & other online spots can realise you prices above spot simply because at times there are no coins & bullion bars available. I was looking for 1/4 ,1/2 ounce coins/rounds of gold all of July & August, it wasn't until Sept that any were available locally, everyone who had any were holding on to them.

First off, why is it only you that ever responds? Second off, you're skeptical of the Federal Reserve but are happy to try and run a small economy through...eBay? Okay.

http://www.bullioncoinsandbars.com/products-silver-coins.htm
Look at 1 ounce maple a bullion coin, not a collectable, 4 9's pure $33.50
Its a hell of a lot higher than 25 bucks !

Yeah, buying and selling are different concepts. I won't break your mind by explaining them here.

I'd love your thoughts. I'm not saying metals aren't sometimes a good investment. But assuming they're a panacea, a never-go-down investment that will get you away from the risk of the world markets? That's silly.

What they are is no different than buying my home & actually paying for it, they are an item of value unlike paper. When paper sinks as it has been doing for more than 4 years, gold & silver traditionally rise.

Let me go to the store and buy some food with these gold coins. Oh, wait...

At 10/17/12 03:02 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Thinking that the USA is somehow immune to hyperinflation is the clown comparison...& its a sad crying clown..... not a happy one !
THe BRICS Nations forming a co-op where they trade without converting to US dollars, China & Austrailia's 40 billion dollar dollar/yuan trade swap where goods are traded between them in their currencies no US dollar involved, China, India, & others buying oil from Iran for gold, weapons, commodities .
Writings on the wall if you take your dark glasses off & choose to look .

This is seriously like reading a spam email from Nigeria. My hat is off to you. I just wish I could quote more of it to get the full effect.

At 10/17/12 02:21 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 10/17/12 01:13 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: I was under the impression that facts were neutral?

Facts have a liberal bias.

Now give Stephen Colbert credit.

I wasn't going to miss the Lounge hitting another post milestone.

Also, I'd love to chart out the growth rate of posts in this thread. I'm betting it'd be a power law chart, and it'd look pretty awesome in an infographic format.

God damn the quality of political discussion has gone downhill here over the past four years.

At 10/17/12 12:51 PM, morefngdbs wrote:

Nonsense

Also, please don't fearmonger by comparing the U.S. Treasury with Zimbabwe. That's a clown comparison, bro.

At 10/17/12 12:51 PM, morefngdbs wrote:
Not only are you not seeing much in interest, the increasing inflation is eroding your savings, & the earlier you started saving (for example I started in junior high in 1982) so in 30 years the amount of inflation has made about a 50% loss of spending power from 1982 dollars to 2012 dollars !

This just isn't factually accurate. Putting $1,000 in a standard CD Account with a consumer bank in 1982 would yield about $3,800. If this deposit were just tracking inflation from 1982, it'd only be worth about $2,200. Just compare the amount of quite a few goods you could buy with the same amount of money from 1982 to 2011: a loaf of bread, a gallon of milk, to say nothing of a computer.

The myth that the money is somehow less valuable now is as incorrect as goldbugs who say that the value of a dollar is less today than it was in 1901, which is a whole new level of silliness. But That's irrelevant to the paragraph I just wrote.

Investing in a stock market, which is being blatently controled & is about as 'free market' as the old Soviet Union is democratic, just like they are attempting to control commodities & silver & gold prices using paper 'certificates' to effect the price on physical gold is a sure harbringer of problems to come.

Okay, so you ARE one of the Ron Paul conspiracy guys. Well, I guess we can end the debate there, then. When someone conflates buying put options against the future price of silver or gold with "market manipulation," that just shows a blatant misunderstanding of how financial markets and commodities markets work. I'd hate for you to find out how the futures market has been "manipulating" the costs of wheat and beef for the past thousand years.