8,352 Forum Posts by "JMHX"
At 10/26/12 11:06 AM, WizMystery wrote:At 10/26/12 03:41 AM, Dawnslayer wrote: I am confused. Are you arguing that the validity of a logical argument is arbitrary, or that the truth of a logical argument is arbitrary?Validity. Truth is completely outside this argument.
I was unaware there was any disagreement on this. Anything made up meaning inscribed by language is arbitrary. This is the first 10 minutes of an intro-level class on Semiotics and Epistemology.
Stop watching so much cable news.
At 10/25/12 11:54 PM, Warforger wrote:At 10/25/12 10:54 AM, JMHX wrote:Don't talk about the 1976 election like it's a trend setting election. The country back then along with both parties were completely different than they are today.
Woah, calm down, I'm saying SINCE 1976. I was using the last time a Democrat won as a reference point, not a baseline. I'm not implying Carter was some Republican-killer of a candidate.
As for Latino's, they're actually quite special and they're a group Republicans can grab ahold of. The main reason being that they're Socially Conservative, all you really have to do from there is change their economic viewpoints. Which I think is happening in some districts in California, as they settle down they turn into Economic Conservatives and now I think a district which previously was a Democratic haven has now 2 Republican candidates for the House Seat.
Also, stop telling them they need to show citizenship documentation when they're stopped for a traffic incident. Granted, this is more Arizona than Texas, but until Republicans bridge the 'respect gap' in the eyes of Latinos, I'd say they're a safe demographic for the Democratic Party. Not to mention a Latino Democrat in Arizona is doing far better than expected in the Senate race.
But keep in mind I'm not going to front-load with examples from 2012, because I'm looking at the overall trend. I just think it's going to be an uphill climb for the Republicans to pick up a significant number of Latinos so long as immigration policy is front and center on their list of priorities. This is why I think Jeb Bush could really cause trouble for Democrats in the coming years -- he's a Republican, fluent in Spanish, married to a Hispanic, who has moderate immigration positions and first-hand stories of his wife experiencing racism (and his rejection of it). He's formidable with that demographic.
At 10/26/12 02:40 AM, Profanity wrote:At 10/25/12 09:27 PM, LemonCrush wrote: No, don't try to make people seem dumb here.No. It's your responsibility to not act like TheKlown and post laughably moronic things in public. I don't have to treat you with the respect Korriken (sometimes) and TheMason (more often) receive if you haven't earned it.
This would be a good time to note that I love Mason's willingness to change his opinion based on new evidence, and even if we clash on things, his understanding of the issues we discuss isn't dogmatic. He actually comes off as if he's trying to build the best argument for himself, not just to win an Internet debate.
Yeah, yeah, backdooring one's way into regulating another person by way of false piety and empty sympathy for the individual. We've seen this song-and-dance before, and the Libertarian and Democratic Parties rightly slammed it the fuck down as an empty hug designed to pickpocket choice away from women.
Cue Klown's shitstorm of a post.
So what you're telling me is that the Republican Party, after criticizing the admittedly zonky Cindy Sheehan for unloading on the Republicans over Iraq (and parlaying this into a run for Congress), has now found their own Cindy Sheehan to pump on conservative news networks?
Color me unsurprised. This guy and Cindy Sheehan should debate who is worse, the Bush Administration or the Obama Administration, both while clutching photos of their deceased children and using them as proxy tools for their own political agendas.
I am officially petitioning for a Thread Lock, since this has long since devolved into racism, conspiracy theories and ad hominem.
Don't forget the most popular reason: He IS, in fact, a militant Kenyan Muslim operating in collaboration with avowed radical socialists like the press, academia and non-white people.
ITT: Babby's first relativism
Yep. Meaning's arbitrary. And yet we still get by.
At 10/25/12 11:24 AM, Feoric wrote:At 10/25/12 11:17 AM, LazyDrunk wrote:California slides into the sea, Washington and Oregon get annexed by Canada, the entire eastern seaboard gets destroyed by a mega tsunami, and everything else just...ignore, ignore, ignore! Romney will win I promise you!
Seriously though, if all this happened I would trust Romney to be the dude to give us a calm and collected talk about how California is now a reef. Imagine that. Now I'm sad it won't happen. Can you IMAGINE how awesome a hard-line Republican Administration would be in a war with Canada?
At 10/25/12 11:35 AM, Feoric wrote:At 10/25/12 11:02 AM, LazyDrunk wrote: Support Darrel Issa's motion to expose Obama's most violent scandal, Fast and Furious.And I assume you thought for sure Ken Starr was going to find proof that Bill Clinton orchestrated the murder of Vince Foster, right?
He didn't? B-b-but that pumpkin...
I predict the following electoral outcome:
Romney: 538
Obama: 0
At 10/25/12 11:06 AM, LazyDrunk wrote:At 10/25/12 11:04 AM, JMHX wrote: GUYS I HAVE RUN OUT OF TINFOIL FROM ALL OF THESE HATS.Executive privilege still isn't legally valid in covering up wrongdoing.
Try getting a job, then you won't need the hat, and you can pay some taxes too, maybe.
>He thinks I'm unemployed.
GUYS I HAVE RUN OUT OF TINFOIL FROM ALL OF THESE HATS.
At 10/25/12 09:47 AM, Feoric wrote: Texas won't be blue in 2016, but it almost certainly will happen.
Check out this chart that breaks down Texas by county (note: blue is Republican and red is Democrat in this chart). Texas is a huge state where most of it is desolate with nobody living in it, hence so much blue. The red part is where minorities live, and there will certainly be a massive influx of Mexican immigrants within the next 10 years, so it will only become larger.
I agree. If you look at the trend since Carter won Texas in '76, Republicans nationally have gone from a high of R+23 in Texas to R+12 in 2008, when McCain actually decided to spend money in some of the major Texas markets. It's looking to be another R+12 year for Texas nationally. What's going to hurt them is the redistricting from the 2010 Census -- a significant Latino bloc now exists in quite a few of the four new districts.
An interesting aside: One of the reasons Jeb Bush is under so much pressure from the Republican Party to run in 2016 (he personally regretted not running in 2012, per an interview out this month in New York Magazine) was because Republican internal analytics have Texas trending blue between 2016 and 2022.
The Texas Republican Party is already flustered that they're going to need to actually spend money on campaigning in 2014, thanks to the influx of LIBRULZ into the tech hub of Austin. It won't be a sudden Democratic sweep, but it'll definitely make the map more competitive if Republicans and Democrats are spending nationally in Texas.
At 10/24/12 04:24 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 10/24/12 08:46 AM, morefngdbs wrote:Dude, you're just going off of historical evidence of metals being stable and consistently valuable SINCE THE BEGINNING OF TIME! Fuck you.
/sarcasm
This is why there were no economic crashes prior to leaving the gold standard.
At 10/24/12 04:13 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
Regarding LBJ...cry your eyes out about it why dont ya?
Apology for your incorrectness accepted. We should at least be striving for some kind of accuracy, don't you think?
At 10/24/12 04:18 PM, LemonCrush wrote:
So, because they had no investors, it's becomes the taxpayers responsibility to bail them out? How does that work? Why not put the burden of the GM's (or big banks) failure on the CEOs and people who ran the corporations into the ground.
I agree, protectionism is bad. Let's get rid of it for oil and gas, banks, auto industry, agriculture. Unfortunately, some of the biggest government protectionist boosters are on the right side of the aisle. There's only so much that can be done without a government-wide commitment to deprotectionism and the acceptance that many, many jobs will be lost in the process.
I've yet to hear an explanation on why I should pay to keep a company a float who can't do it themselves? When my father's business went under, why did he not get a bailout? Do you feel the government should have the power to decide which companies are "deserving" of taxpayer dollars?
I don't, but they certainly do, don't they? There are a few railroads from the 1890s I'd like to have seen collapse, but nooo, government protected them. Blergh.
Witness now as Klown tries to rope Profanity and others into a side-argument, praying and praying and praying they won't realize his initial point about voter fraud has been fucking demolished, hoping hoping hoping they'll fight him over the video (which nobody here was defending in the first place) instead of pressing forward and making Klown concede that he's guilty of -totally-making-shit-up-
I would urge my dear friends and NG Politics colleagues to note Klown's two efforts to derail the actual discussion once it became apparent that his jab at Democrats in Florida was undermined by a massive, multi-state effort by the Republican Party (through vendors previously accused of voter fraud) to disenfranchise Democrats and minorities.
1st Attempt: B-B-BUT CHRIS MATTHEWS SUX
2nd Attempt: B-B-BUT DEMOCRATS FROM THE 1850S LOVED THE KLAN
Please note these, laugh at them, and continue to press the discussion topic at hand. Klowny doesn't get to weasel out of it.
DON'T STRAW MAN ON ME KLOWN. We were talking about voter fraud. VOTER FRAUD. You're not going to get me to change the subject just because you're getting it thrown back in your face, bud.
Let's get back to Republican-led voter fraud efforts. Here's one that just came up in Colorado, with the Colorado GOP officially apologizing. And, shock, it's the same guy's company from Florida!
Colo. girl registering âEU~only RomneyâEUTM voters tied to firm dumped by RNC over fraud
At 10/23/12 09:11 PM, TheKlown wrote: Is Chris Matthews the man Liberals look up to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok12hB49KDk
>Klown said, hurriedly setting up that straw man to detract from JMHX's counterargument.
No one's talking about Chris, Klowny. Don't run away.
At 10/23/12 08:34 PM, Feoric wrote:At 10/23/12 08:23 PM, JMHX wrote:
FDR was also the assistant secretary of the navy and wanted to be an active serviceman but WWI ended before that could happen, so there ya go. And Lincoln was a Captain and fought in the Black Hawk War. LemonCrush seems to be on a mission to be wrong about everything.
Is it worth noting that, unlike most individuals, Lyndon Johnson specifically REQUESTED he be sent to a combat zone? Which is just fucking insane in its own right.
At 10/23/12 08:27 PM, Warforger wrote:At 10/23/12 12:35 AM, JMHX wrote:But I think it's futile to try to put labels corresponding to the modern day, people are a product of their time not of the modern day.
I'll yield the point that I'm trying to apply multiple dynamics to people, but if you look at the abolitionists, especially in the work of Garrison, you see that they don't consider the position of abolitionism to be "liberal." They see it as a defense of the original doctrines of Jesus, at least in their view.
And, to counter the whole "Colonization-was-a-minority-thing" view, there were DOZENS of colonization societies, national and state, and counted among their supporters Thomas Jefferson, the descendants of George Washington, Henry Clay (at the time Speaker of the House, leader of his party and one of the most powerful men in America) and some of the most powerful merchants in America at the time (Lee and Randolph, oddly both co-founders of the Colonization Society).
At 10/23/12 08:14 PM, DarkSoldier wrote:
Good, you seem to understand the point I was trying to make about this whole Obama-Osama issue. I think if I were in the intelligence community and worked hard to locate Osama only to have Obama take all the credit for it, I would be pretty darn pissed. And the same can be said about many issues (for every Presidents probably). While Obama deserves the credit for approving the operation to capture Osama, I do not find it fair for him to take most of the credit for Osama's capture/death. It reminds me of the Benghazi attack, the intelligence community was blamed and thrown down the stairs for it. They were credited with that but Osama's killing...not quite (or at least not in the manner one would one hope to be acknowledged).
And you seem to misunderstand my English language skills. Individuals in the intelligence community aren't in it for the fucking glory, so let's get off that high horse right now. What you do or don't find fair is irrelevant to how we as a country have decided to understand things like wars, political failures, etc. The guy at the top gets the credit or the shit, (read: "Mr. Madison's War," "Johnson's Vietnam," "Nixon's Watergate," "Roosevelt's Canal"). If I were a ditch digger in fucking Panama, I'd be pissed they gave Roosevelt the victory for the canal when it was my ass that dug the thing. But so it goes.
Stop living in an alternate world where the strike team that took him out got no credit for the raid, everyone in America knows what SEAL Team 6 is, they're getting two movies, multiple books, one of their leaders has already been made rich consulting for projects related to the raid itself. Believe me, no one is under the mistaken idea that President Obama single-handedly beat the shit out of Osama bin Laden.
At 10/23/12 08:17 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 10/23/12 06:33 PM, JMHX wrote:I don't recall ANY American president becoming a dictator. And yeah, Eisenhower never managed a war that quickly got insanely out of hand. He never leaned directly on J. Edgar Hoover for black-bag operations or anything. Eisenhower was a pristine alabaster God in a four-star uniform.Bush and Obama are practically dictators. Difference is, they are much smarter and slick, if you will, about it. Sure they aren't rounding up people for gas chambers, but there's plenty more "dictator-esque" things happening right under your nose.
Remember that time all those dictators were term-limited by their Constitution, stood down and were replaced by an opponent from another party? Yeah, neither do I. Calling a president you don't like a 'dictator' is the height of childishness. Come on bro, try harder, you're shaming yourself with that high school garbage. We're spending a ton of money on elections in this dictatorship, you'd think we could at least keep a dictator in power.
Eisenhower was given chances to be an imperial dipshit, and turned it down. He was asked to invade Vietnam. He rejected the idea because it wasn't worth the lives of US soldiers. Leave warmongering to "peaceful" presidents who've never served. Like LBJ, FDR, Lincoln, etc.
Lyndon Johnson served in the Navy during World War II and received a Silver Star for valor. But don't let being wrong about basic facts break your stride. If you're not going to research, you could at least let me know in advance to ignore you.
At 10/23/12 08:10 PM, LemonCrush wrote:At 10/23/12 05:28 PM, Feoric wrote:The instability around the world is exactly why gold would crash, ironically enough.Gold thrives when currencies are weak.
WHICH IS FOREVER, AMIRITE?
At 10/23/12 08:08 PM, TheKlown wrote:At 10/23/12 08:07 PM, JMHX wrote:I think all of them should be busted and serve serious time behind bars. I do not understand why people feel the need to cheat to try to win a certain Candidate the election.At 10/23/12 07:56 PM, TheKlown wrote:
Any reason you pointed out solely a Democratic-leaning organization's effort to win Florida? Not the Virginia or Ohio cases? Fortunately the Republicans are pretty clean on th-- oh, wha, wahey!
Florida prosecutors charge Republican voter registration firm with fraud
Working through state parties, the RNC has sent more than $3.1 million this year to Strategic Allied Consulting, a company formed in June by Nathan Sproul, an Arizona voting consultant. Sproul has operated other firms that have been accused in past elections of improprieties designed to help Republican candidates, including dumping registration forms filled out by Democrats, but none of those allegations led to any criminal charges.
Cheating to win Florida, indeed.
At 10/23/12 07:56 PM, TheKlown wrote: Cheating to win Florida.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/politics/os-voter-fraud-
letter-20121023,0,2934265.story
Hey, here's something similar directly linked to the Virginia Republican Party, but this one involves throwing Democratic voter registrations in the garbage!
Shockingly, the Republican Sheriff will not be investigating further. Hmm.
