At 1/8/12 06:51 PM, RacistBassist wrote:At 1/8/12 06:06 PM, Insanctuary wrote: 1. Am I selfish? No. Does my opposition only spawn from my weak intentions? No.Yes and yes. To say otherwise is a contradiction of truth.
2. You are jaded because you are too ignorant to see how weak your argument is; considering that you and yourself is weak. [Refer to 1.]Explain the weakness without it pertaining to me not being in your philosophy
3. Yes, and even then.. You are like mosquitos Vs. an electrical light.More like you're the mosquito arguing that the electrical light we flew into isn't real and only the one you did was.
4. Everyone is ignorant, including me. It is that they are too ignorant for their own good.If you're ignorant, how do you know others are?
5. Where is your response to 5.?Sorry, skipped it. Pretend I made fun of you dancing around and not actually giving any explanations for your assertions.
6. I was improvising towards your *Must have 1000 posts to post*God damnit. You missed the point.
7. It is indeed the humans themselves that are the problem advocators.And what, exactly, is this problem, and what is our true potential? You do not answer the questions.
8. That is why you are self-centered right? When you say ''Who gives a fuck, you know?''. Do you even know why you are self-centered?I'm self centered because instant gratification and doing things to please my brain to make it release chemicals without doing something to affect my long term releasing of chemicals makes me feel good.
9. Self gratification from what? I get insulted everyday. I'm always on edge everyday. Carrying the world on your shoulders is a suicide mission.Oh poor you, pretending to carry this heavy burden.
10. You forgot to add the whole statement ''so I can redeem my life'', so that made you think I contradicted myself.That still does not wash away the two contradictory statements.
11. I pointed out the flaws that you continue to be careless about.Weak.
Jaded.
Ignorant.
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Your justification for why I am these things is the other two. Doesn't explain shit.
13. I'm simply me. Why do you persist on twisting my image?It's not being twisted. That's how you actually look.
14. ''Usually''.Colloquial terminology slipping in, sorry. "Always"
15. We choose not to be sentient. That is my point. Why would we need to become a different race just to be a better race? That's sad.Because for a species to undergo such a radical change as to gain sentience would make them an entirely different being.
We are sentient. You may not like everyone caring about your shit, but you know, that's sentience and not hive mind which is what you want.
12. That's why I am being the best I can be, right? The only reason why my argument lacks what you desire to see; is because you lack something yourself.So let me get this straight. You being the best you can be and carrying the world on your shoulders is being on the bbs two days in a row, without doing anything.
16. No. I'm saying that the flaws of others is what makes my philosophy unbeatable. My argument is not between you and I. I have constructed an argument that turns you against yourself. It is your flaws that I question.. If you oppose me, you only oppose yourself. Make sense?What. Illegitimacy of B does not make A legitimate.
17. Yes, but here is another element of surprise. We actually can control ourselves and avoid uneeded chaos.I thought we weren't sentient, or are you flip flopping?
First you get mad at us for defying nature, but then you want us to control ourselves and defy nature?
18. Not because they disagree with me. No. It's because they are a stranger to their own words. Your flaws is what is bringing you down. We both know being self-centered is an alterior motive of weakness.You're a stranger to your own words.
19. How am I pretentious? I do not speak of my philosophy as if it's better than everyone. Since, well.. If it wasn't for people's flaws.. It would be moot. Besides, did you already forget when I said ''My words are no more solid than yours?''.Oh, that's right, you only put yours on a pedestal and preach its greatness while insulting everybody elses, calling them weak and fake.
20. When the man is flawed; their vision becomes just as flawed.Nothing will ever achieve perfection, because perfection isn't real.
21. You are distorted. Your argument itself depends on your weak-minded selfishness alone."Your argument doesn't work because you are distorted. You are distorted because your argument is weak."
1. How, and how?
2. You use regurgitated logic to defend your own. You are self-centered, so of course your argument will be affected by this.
3. Nah. I think I got it right the first time.
4. I'm not ignorant as everyone else?
5. Then I get to pretend that you are full of it; your argument is only there for the sake of your own flaws that you try to present as 'natural'.
6. You've missed the point more than a 1000 times.
7. The problem is that we are deluded by our own selfish pursuits. We are deluded by our ego. We are deluded by what we see; and how we choose to see it; since, well, alot of you don't give a flying fuck about anything but yourself, and a few exceptions. The solution is to become a better person, which is too inconvenient for you.
8. So you admit that you are in a state of inertia, and a slave to your mind's sweet tooth.
9. Pretending?
10. Oh, it washes away both of them. One says ''it's not about redeeming my life'' the other is ''the motive is life in itself''.. Tell me how they even relate to each other.
11. You seem to be getting the idea, as much as it was sarcastic.
12. What does being on the BBS for 2 days have anything to do with this? I have alot of time on my hands, so what. I am being the best I can be in my own right. You have no idea how much you are contributing to my philosophy.
13. No, you see. I'm not the twisted on here.
14. I figured. A theory is still a theory brought up by man. A man that can be flawed.
15. No, it's just too far beyond your standards.
16. In a sense.. You aren't making my argument anymore legitimate; since anyone can disagree with it still. You are only showing that your argument is flawed compared to mine through your own hollow support beams.
17. What are you talking about? Seems to me you misinterpreted that.
18. Oh, am I? What makes you think that?
19. Oh, so you blame me for your own pettyness. If that is how you argue, sure. Let's go with that.
20. Imperfection is the root of all perfections, mate.
21. When will you learn that your realm of ideas affects everything of you?
At 1/8/12 07:00 PM, Xyphon202 wrote:At 1/8/12 06:10 PM, Insanctuary wrote: 3. Actually.. I expanded on that philosophical concept. I no longer target the belief system, or the person. I attack the person's flaws.Which is perfect logic in an argument, right?
"Yeah, you're argument is alright but you.. I don't like you. Therefore, you're wrong."
C'mon dude, are you fucking joking me here? Am I on Punk'd or something? Or are you really that stupid?
There is a difference between the person, their belief system, and the person's flaws.
You are calling me stupid?
At 1/8/12 06:28 PM, TrevorW wrote:At 1/8/12 04:54 PM, Insanctuary wrote:Explain to me how you intend to create logic and reason. You have given your opinion on a number of issues but you have yet to explain the functionality of how you think and how it is legitimate. Walk me though the steps of how you think. Do you think in a "if then" way? Or? Do you think empirically?At 1/8/12 04:25 PM, TrevorW wrote: How can you think without logic or reason? What tools do you have other than speculation and beliefs?Well, considering that we created out 'logic', and 'reason'.
I don't see how hard it is to see that I'm trying to create better 'logic' and 'reason'?
I figured that if my own race can form fabricated logic that is 'logical' today.. I can too, esp. when I am able to poke holes in today's 'logic'. While I still have yet to find anyone who can poke holes in my logic. [There are people who know exactly what I mean, and still can't poke holes in my logic.]
I'm just putting together the puzzle pieces, mate. This world is not all that complicated at all. People only make it complicated. It's very simple to me. :/
At 1/8/12 05:57 PM, Xyphon202 wrote: Oh boy, for one of the first times ever I agree with RacistBassist.
Happiness exists, it's simply chemicals in our brain. Philosophy is not going to prove it otherwise. This is the 21st century. Science > Philosophy almost every case.
Also, why are you insulting RacistBassist as a person when this debate has nothing to do with any of that? I mean come on, it's completely irrelevant. Yes, I've insulted people(including RacistBassist), as a person before, but not as part of my ACTUAL arguments.
Do you know what they call that? Ad hominem attacks. Please stop them.
1. Never said happiness doesn't exist. I'm saying that living off of it; being deluded by it is not good.
2. Science is built on the same formless words I speak of now. What you have to realise is, what makes more sense? When you come to realise that this entire world has been built on with imaginary labels; measurements; values, etc.
3. Actually.. I expanded on that philosophical concept. I no longer target the belief system, or the person. I attack the person's flaws.
1. Am I selfish? No. Does my opposition only spawn from my weak intentions? No.
2. You are jaded because you are too ignorant to see how weak your argument is; considering that you and yourself is weak. [Refer to 1.]
3. Yes, and even then.. You are like mosquitos Vs. an electrical light.
4. Everyone is ignorant, including me. It is that they are too ignorant for their own good.
5. Where is your response to 5.?
6. I was improvising towards your *Must have 1000 posts to post*
7. It is indeed the humans themselves that are the problem advocators.
8. That is why you are self-centered right? When you say ''Who gives a fuck, you know?''. Do you even know why you are self-centered?
9. Self gratification from what? I get insulted everyday. I'm always on edge everyday. Carrying the world on your shoulders is a suicide mission.
10. You forgot to add the whole statement ''so I can redeem my life'', so that made you think I contradicted myself.
11. I pointed out the flaws that you continue to be careless about.
13. I'm simply me. Why do you persist on twisting my image?
14. ''Usually''.
15. We choose not to be sentient. That is my point. Why would we need to become a different race just to be a better race? That's sad.
12. That's why I am being the best I can be, right? The only reason why my argument lacks what you desire to see; is because you lack something yourself.
16. No. I'm saying that the flaws of others is what makes my philosophy unbeatable. My argument is not between you and I. I have constructed an argument that turns you against yourself. It is your flaws that I question.. If you oppose me, you only oppose yourself. Make sense?
17. Yes, but here is another element of surprise. We actually can control ourselves and avoid uneeded chaos.
18. Not because they disagree with me. No. It's because they are a stranger to their own words. Your flaws is what is bringing you down. We both know being self-centered is an alterior motive of weakness.
19. How am I pretentious? I do not speak of my philosophy as if it's better than everyone. Since, well.. If it wasn't for people's flaws.. It would be moot. Besides, did you already forget when I said ''My words are no more solid than yours?''.
20. When the man is flawed; their vision becomes just as flawed.
21. You are distorted. Your argument itself depends on your weak-minded selfishness alone.
At 1/8/12 04:35 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote: At 1/7/12 11:52 PM, Insanctuary wrote::
Thus, your 'argument' is not moot. Try to come up with a BETTER argument towards the viability of homosexual relationships.INB4FAIL
You say that pointing out we do other unnatural things is a flawed argument because they could all be wrong, so if you GENUINELY view the idea that because its unnatural its wrong as the justification for dislike of homosexuality, why don't you turn off all your lights, take off whatever factory made garments you're wearing, throw out your fridge and turn off your internet. Unnatural =/= wrong, and you know it.
Gays are always moody? Gays always have shallow relationships? Takei a look around.
Find it hilarious that you paint it like gays are the only ones who have friends with benefits, or like they are any more promiscuous than straight people. Makes me want to reach through the computer screen and shake some sense into you TBH :P
Gays are super moody? Bro, I'm bisexual, don't make me slap you with my dick!
Actually.. My argument was that you were banding everything unatural into one mashed up ball of viability. When really, I'm speaking my mind generally. I wasn't saying anything about gays only being in friends with benefits. I was just relating that to my general statement that I was against empty sex which was not related to the whole statement of mine.. My mind is inconsistent, really.
So.. just because humans do this and that unaturally does not mean that gives everything else -- that is irrelevant -- a right to be acted on.
You really are moody.. Are you sure..? Nevermind.. Nah.. Can't be.. Are you..?
At 1/8/12 04:56 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:At 1/8/12 04:49 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You regurgitating 'facts' from an old book that was renewed; edited like a million times? Is that your 'context'?Seeing as you are posting in a thread with the Biblical truth being given as a premise (hypothetical or not), it would seem obvious that one would use contextual references from the Bible to defend the argument. Asinine pseudo-philosophical theories presented from your alternate account won't help you here.
Yes, but it seems to me that you solely rely on a book to defend your argument? Do you ever actually form your own argument? Or actually try to expand on it, or is the Bible your wingman? Or, is simply because you can't expand on a book that is full of plot holes; contradictions; etc?
No, really. Be honest with me. I'm being honest with you. Can you back up your claims about my philosophy? I mean really.. We both know that both of our words hold no real solid form in all actuality..
Yet, it seems to me that my philosophy spawns from me and my determination to find the real truth in life. While you obey a book that you deem greater than your own mind and body; while letting it speak for you; it seems a bit.. fruitless, don't you think?
It really depends on my mood, and how competent my computer wishes to load information.
At 1/8/12 04:25 PM, TrevorW wrote: How can you think without logic or reason? What tools do you have other than speculation and beliefs?
Well, considering that we created out 'logic', and 'reason'.
I don't see how hard it is to see that I'm trying to create better 'logic' and 'reason'?
At 1/8/12 04:43 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:At 1/8/12 04:31 PM, SarcasticDude wrote:No, because the majority of the points are completely ignoring context. I could care less about the level, it just so happened that the ignorant comments were coming from those with lollipops.At 1/8/12 04:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: Anyone who is taking this thread seriously, just Ignore the lollipops.Ignore us why? Just because we are a lower level than you
What context?
You regurgitating 'facts' from an old book that was renewed; edited like a million times? Is that your 'context'?
*claps*
At 1/8/12 04:43 PM, Xyphon202 wrote:At 1/8/12 04:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: Anyone who is taking this thread seriously, just Ignore the lollipops.You don't agree with me, therefore, you're wrong! Yep, that's the way it is.
God created evil. He knew it would be evil. I don't agree with his actions. Oh no, I guess I'm making a joke of this whole thread.
We are the lollipop army, it seems. Lol. Inconspiciously shutting people down conspicuously.
Could make a song out of it, too.. I don't know.. I'll throw in a few words..
____ ____ Lollipop?
___ arguments drop?
___ _ _____ stop?
_____ ___ top?
Yea.. I'm an amateur. :/ Get @ me.
At 1/8/12 04:36 PM, tinm23 wrote: Wow! This thread has the most walls of text ever that's not in the C&C forum!
Anyways, babies need happiness within a few days before it dies. Happiness gives us strength and looks through all this ignorance in this thread. What's the point of living to be as a pathetic human being? You're also implying that the happy people you described don't know any discipline or justice, which is invalid.
1. So you admit that our human race is weak by default? I mean, why would we need strength [e.g 'happiness] if we were strong to begin with?
2. Trust me, happiness isn't a great example when it comes to the ignorance of some. Patience, probably?
3. I don't want us to live as a pathetic human being. I'm essentially pointing out that people should learn how to do with and without happiness. You can't have everything, and living off of it is an act of weakness.
4. What do you define as 'discipline' and 'justice'?
At 1/8/12 04:27 PM, jpbear wrote: lol @ people thinking they can explain mysteries.
It's more like:
lol @ people who explain what they can't explain by not explaining what they can't explain. The only thing they have going for them is faith [ignorance].
Don't get me wrong, faith is not all that ignorant if you apply faith without any doubt in your word. It's only ludicrous to apply faith if that is all that holds together the being.
At 1/8/12 04:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: Anyone who is taking this thread seriously, just Ignore the lollipops.
I'm sorry. Did you just speak for the mass, with a vague assertion as if our NG levels deem us anymore important?
Did it ever occur to you that we are all invidiuals with individual ideas?
I am taking this thread seriously; not my fault you are using a book to argue your points.
At 1/8/12 04:03 PM, TrevorW wrote: Without definition, logic, or reason? That is beyond me.
This life has no true definition? It's just a layer we created that way we could map out our thoughts; ideas; etc?
What is truly logic? It seems to me that logic can be twisted in any way you like it to be, since this logic is built on straws, and straws are very flexible. Yet, they cannot support anything.
What reason do you seek of? This world has blatant problems. I can't ignore them. I chose to go out of my way to find the roots to these problems. While understand that this world is not as whole as it can be; how human beings are able to appear to be solid, but when you test them.. it's like they are strangers to themselves, generally speaking; how this world is polluted with 'faith in antithetical values'; how this world's people lives of fake value; standards, etc..?
How do you not see where I'm coming from? Can't you see me waving from the other side?
At 1/8/12 03:57 PM, Painbringer wrote:At 1/8/12 03:20 PM, Sensationalism wrote: Why find a real life woman to get naked and rub herself all over you when you have a perfectly good girlfriend willing to do it for free? I do not understand.Why get a new piece of gum when you could just chew the same one day after day?
Of course, it wouldn't be cheating since just about everyone spits out the old piece before puting in the new one - Basically terminating one relationship to start another.
Oh, it's more like buying a new car and then test driving newer models - Basically getting the new car ride and new car smell.
Your metaphors are inconsistent.
These are human beings, with human minds, with individual psychological languages perpetually going to and fro through every single dimunitive state of change.
Humans > Cars > Gum > Your metaphors
At 1/8/12 04:06 PM, Xyphon202 wrote:At 1/8/12 04:05 PM, Insanctuary wrote: BUT couldn't stop the temptations of Adam and Eve before it was too late?He could, but he just didn't feel like it.
Pfhahahahahaha! They must've been like magical ninjas.
So now God is lazy?
At 1/8/12 03:56 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Look, instead of trying to fix the world, fix what can and help who you can help. I understand your anger towards it all, but put it in perspective. Calling everyone ignorant and every other name in the book is not the most effective way to get them on your side. Seriously, calm down.
Now, what is your main problem?
1. I say that I wish to fix the world, because I want to. Doesn't mean I can, so I will make the best of what I can.
2. Thankyou for understanding, but even then.. I need to stay in control.
3. They are ignorant, and some are even as far as pathetic. I'm only speaking the truth. They are welcomed to call me anything they like -- if they can back it up. I find it rather annoying calling them by a subtly term when they only get in my way with their weak-minded arguments. [Have I ever said anything else? The worst I've gone is direct 'Fuck you' to people. I was angry.]
4a. My main problem is creating a bridge people can cross from their reality they see as solid to the reality that I see. I'm having trouble communicating with people who see the fog I see as a solid foundation.. There is no foundation. I try to elaborate this the best of my ability, but continue failing.
4b. It still stands, because only a few people understand exactly what I'm saying. So, it's not just in my head.
--
Thankyou for being another humble individual.
So let me get this straight.
God created EVERYTHING?
Every single tiny detail of life?
Every single form?
Every single element; attribute?
BUT couldn't stop the temptations of Adam and Eve before it was too late?
Pfhahahahahaha! They must've been like magical ninjas.
At 1/8/12 03:57 PM, Xyphon202 wrote:At 1/8/12 03:52 PM, SarcasticDude wrote: Ohhh religion!God created EVERYTHING.
First off, how do you know God created Satan? If he did, give proof, please. :)
Some Catholic you are.
So God created nothing to?
Ol' the paradoxes.
At 1/8/12 10:36 AM, Halberd wrote: Oh hey its that guy from the writers forum who is afraid of the dabus.gif.
Afraid..of..the..dabus..gif..
I don't follow.
At 1/8/12 03:40 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:At 1/8/12 03:36 PM, Insanctuary wrote: EmmaVoltJohn 8:44 (NIV):
The devil is not the author of lies.
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
I did substitute "Author" from "Father" - perhaps from another translation.
Oh really? That's why God lied about the forbidden fruit, right?
Besides, I want to know what you know. Not what you know from a book that you only think you know.
At 1/8/12 01:55 PM, AnalPenguinFarming wrote: What do you all think? If you're in a relationship with someone and you go to a strip club and get a lap dance, is that considered cheating? Intoxicated or not plays a role here. I honestly have no input for this so I'm looking for just honest answers.
It's not essentially cheating.. I do not see why you'd rather cause your partner to always apply maximum loyalty for you, because you want to indulge yourself in a rather impractical state of comfort, than actually find other means to indulge yourself without putting a wall of trust between you and your partner.
You have to think, what will your partner be thinking in their mind?
Going to a strip club is not the only option, nor is it the best.
IMHFO
EmmaVolt
The devil is not the author of lies. What are you talking about? The devil never did anything. The devil only answered the dark wishes of the human being.
If anything, the devil was the author of details. The devil asked questions, but never did he force his 'evil' powers. No, the human being was selfish, weak-minded and gave him his power that he used to answer the human's wishes.
The human was evil, not the devil.
Is that so hard to comprehend?
At 1/8/12 03:02 PM, 420SWED wrote: happiness is better than being sad or angry or any other emotion without it life would be to unhappy to bear.
Well in a sense.. It all truly balances out. Without those emotions you tend to loath, you wouldn't even know what happiness would be like. [Without darkness, how could we possibly appreciate light?]
All of these 'emotions' are essentially contradicting, but coinciding in a state of a perpetual ocean consisted of positivity and negativity.
Even then, anyone can be happy, mad, sad, etc. at the same time.
No man is one man.
It's all part of being human. I just do not see why people obsess over too much happiness. Like, they thrive off of it just to live. That's not being human.
Happiness is fine when it's subtle in and of general nature. Happiness is not fine when it becomes your crutch to live your life. We can't have everything we want. This world needs to be attended.
At 1/8/12 06:22 AM, NL-Courage wrote: I totally agree with you over this, every single bit of it.
Not to mention that this world is cursed.
Every single bit? What exactly stood out for you the most?
At 1/8/12 01:18 PM, TrevorW wrote:At 1/8/12 04:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:That's because you cannot communicate what things are without the labels to do so. Your own logic prevents your concepts from coming to completion and from being able to be understood by others. We cannot crawl in your head.At 1/8/12 02:20 AM, TrevorW wrote:Considering that my mind is a general formula that sees things beyond labels -- for what it is -- it's arduous trying to form a tangible explanation.At 1/7/12 05:10 PM, Insanctuary wrote: I'm trying.. This is a philosophy that is bringing /everything/ together. It's really tough in the first place to explain something like ''This world is not as solid as it appears to be'' to people.But if you are going to label something you have to do so in such a way that we can understand what it is that you mean. You label what ever you believe a "solid world" to be as a "solid world."
How do I explain to a being that what they see as solid is not solid at all?
1a. How do I explain to a being that everything is right unto them; only if they trust in themselves.
1b. How do I convince them that it's simple to say ''I know who I am'', when they don't show that they do?
How do I stress the discomforting nature of our race, and how everyone can spread like wildfire with their ideas?
How do I reason with beings that I feel don't reason with themselves; their ideas; their beliefs; their virtues; their morals; their dreams?
How do I approach a being who lashes out at you for holding out your hand to save them from what I see as an inevitable state of weakness?
How do I explain 'faith in antithetical values'? [The concept of not being able to disprove or prove something.]
How do I convince people that what they are convincing themselves is not convincing at all for either of us.
How can I not begin to even fathom why it's so terribly hard to see how simple all of this really is?
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