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Babies go to hell...?

Hmm..

Jeremiah 1:5 - "Before I formed you in the womb, I chose you..."

In some Bibles, it's "I knew you..." Either way, babies go to hell? Hah.

Sorry, but abortion is something that will -always- be debated, even within the Christian community. I'm very Christian. I'm also very pro-choice, because of where I stand politically. I have no right whatsoever to tell another woman what to do to her body, and vice versa. There is only One that can judge, and if He judges that it's wrong? That's His doing, not mine. Until then, I stand by my opinion.

Generally speaking, I think even Christians that are pro-choice (like me) are pretty torn. I'm pro-choice for everyone but myself. I'd never abort a baby, because I know the physical and psychological effects of it.

Nutshell? Christian or not, it's still a 50/50 thing. Christianity isn't always synonymous with pro-life.

I need to add something to my previous post.

I do logically understand the 'save even one child, it's okay' thing, but this is what I don't think many people understand...

There's more pedophiles out there than people think. It's not just with small children. It's the grown men that go out to find 14, 15, 16 year old girls and take advantage of them. Or young boys, too.

I -understand- the reasoning behind the argument. But I believe it's going the wrong way. Laws dealing with child pornography should be stronger and less lenient, and under no circumstance should a 'virtual' alternative be offered. Can you imagine how MUCH of it would be out there? It would be accessible to our children, giving them the idea to be more sexually active at a younger age, it would be accessible to those that have never even thought of it as provocative before...and then find themselves turned on? What if it -creates- pedophiles, rather than deters them?

The one pro - less real children getting hurt - is outweighed by the cons and is, I fear, temporary. In the long run, I think it's very probable that MORE children are hurt by those that have been influenced by readily-available virtual kiddie porn.

Okay, I'm going to make this short and sweet.

Hopefully.

How do a majority of child molesters get their start?

Viewing child porn.

How the hell is 'virtual kiddie porn' going to stop a pedophile from going out and practicing what they see on a REAL CHILD?

What a lot of people don't realize is that sexual offenders of any sort are not healthy. While those of us who are healthy and think that child pornography (or any sort of sexual assault for that matter) is wrong...we can see the 'reasoning' behind it, make it sound like it'll help those that are diseased. But when you feed an obsession, what happens? Does that obsession go away?

Or does it get worse?

I'm sorry, but no. Virtual child porn puts our children at risk. It's a gateway to other things, and I, for one, will not EVER compromise the safety of any child for something that MIGHT work.

Hello everyone. :)

I'd like to share why I haven't posted much. And while I've been around much longer than two months, there's often times I don't bother.

Many of you are intelligent enough to carry on wonderfully stimulating debates and conversations, but then again...so many don't -debate-. They argue, whine, moan, complain, and generally piss me off.

If any of you noticed, I was getting to be quite the bitch in my last posts before I disappeared for a while. Then I realized, 'Girl, you're gonna do exactly what you hate in a few of the others.'

So I left.

That's nothing personal against those I never had a problem with. But the fact about this forum is this: no one respects opinions. Very few times I've actually seen the words "I respect your opinion. Here's mine." I tried to put that in almost every single one of my posts, and it occurred to me...it's my age. I'm 25 years old, I may be older than a lot of you, and I have the experience to know that you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

Don't get me wrong. I don't think I'm better than any of you, and I started making the same mistakes, which (like I said before) is why I left. So many times I'd see someone post "When you use personal attacks in a debate, it negates your argument," then in the next post they make say, "You're such a moron! Why can't you understand this? Are you THAT uneducated?"

How much sense does that make?

I refuse to name names, or point fingers. Refuse. I also refuse to become one of those people. So, I may post in here from time to time, but I'm not going to let myself get as carried away as I did before.

Please don't consider me a two-month wonder. ;) I may not have always been a member of the PC, but I was posting in here LONG ago.

See ya.

Okay...been gone for a while. :)

Howdy! DAG?

I've got the 'Devil's Advocate' part...but not the 'g' part.

I love people who play Devil's Advocate. That is...if they do it in a way that's respectful an courteous. IE....I don't play with devil's advocates that say, 'You're a stupid bitch, you're wrong,' to try to get facts from me.

At 4/16/03 06:01 PM, el_foka wrote:

At 4/16/03 03:12 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

No worries, kay?

In a time of war? Yeah, right. ML.

...you just totally lost me there.

War = you freaking about me being harsh toward you...how?

I was just saying, don't worry about my animosity being directed toward you. Sheesh...lighten up.

As for Commander, thank you. I appreciate those facts.

bumcheek...Christianity isn't a culture it's a faith. A belief. That's not the same thing, and Christianity really shouldn't be used as a culture.

At 4/16/03 04:16 PM, JuanManda wrote:

At 4/16/03 03:47 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: Sooooo...HI!

Is it just me, or are the boards down?

Not these, obviously.

It clearly says:
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Well, thank you ever so much for talking down to me like I'm a child.

See...I can read and stuff? But...I was just wondering if anyone knew WHY or WHAT was going on.

Now there's nothing. So.

Thanks again. *smirk*

Sooooo...HI!

Is it just me, or are the boards down?

Not these, obviously.

Something really funny about the local media here that I should have mentioned earlier...

They were on almost 24/7, covering the war.

Then...after about two weeks of it? They started having news specials.

About what?

Weening yourself off of the 'depression causing news' that people were taking it at such a high rate.

Seriously, there were news specials telling you to stop watching so much news, because it was becoming so stress inducing for some people. It was amazing!

What the press will come up with next, we'll never know.

At 4/16/03 11:40 AM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: Now they (the media and several low-ranking government officials) are saying that, because Saddam Hussein had a box of Cuban cigars in his palace, that Cuba is in on it.

Jesus, leave Fidel alone.

...are you fucking serious??

For the love of...gah. That is so rediculous.

Can you link me to something about that? Please?

At 4/16/03 03:21 PM, Lazyness wrote:

So one, or even a few, americans did something that the thread-started didn't care for. So freakin' what? That's what life is...learning how to deal with things that might rub you the wrong way.

Yeah...and when did I say I hated Americans? Quite touchy, aren't we? And this is an online game site. Geez.

Wow. Sad for you that I can post again.

You didn't say outright you hated Americans. Your thread is hateful and stereotypical. I think you know that.

I'm touchy, yes. About this? Of course. When you start making such blanket generalizations about an entire nation based on an individual...or a group...then my word. That's something to be touchy about. Learn a little tolerance in your life, for ALL THINGS.

What you don't get is that yes...this is just an internet forum. But quite honestly...how people represent themselves here is probably quite indicative to how they are in person, and in life. If you're this judgemental and intolerant to people's beliefs and opinions on the internet? I'd hate to see what you'd be like confronting someone face to face.

Again, this next is to Taxman. I agree you probably haven't seen any protests against the sex industry unless you live in a place that's rather active in it. I can guarantee you that every time a Fantasy Video opens here in Portland, there's picketers.

Not a problem, really. You just didn't know. I can give you sources if you like, tho I've seen the live coverage with my own eyes. lol

At 4/16/03 12:59 PM, Taxman2A wrote:

At 4/16/03 04:56 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote:

Nem...please. Just because he's not a politician, doesn't mean we can't talk about him. Shit, man...the day you dictate what we can and can't talk about here in this forum is the day I shit diamonds.

Umm... house_of_leaves... he never said that you can't talk about him unless he's a politician. What he said was that Michael Moore is NOT a politician, and that's it.
Time for one of my examples so you understand what the hell just happened.
What you did is the logical equivalent of this:

Anyone Else: George W. Bush is a used car salesman.
Nemesisz: No he's not, he's the President of the US.
House of Leaves: Jesus, Nem! just because hes not a car salesman doesn't mean we can't talk about him!

Actually, Taxman. You need to scroll up.

This is exactly what NemesisZ said, and I quote: "He is not a politician, and he does not offer legitimate political commentary, and thus, isn't an issue in the POLITICS forum."

If I took it the wrong way, then I'll be the first to appologize. But we all have seen how NemesisZ likes to shut people up, or try to. If he's saying it's not an 'issue in the POLITICS forum', then the next thing will most likely be 'keep him OUT of the POLITICS forum'.

Your logic, by the way, doesn't make sense to me, tho I'm not going to debate it. If we were in a 'Car Sales' forum? Perhaps it would make more sense.

If Nem had simply stated that he's not a politician...fine. But he said he didn't belong in the politics forum. How would YOU take that?

By the way...treating me like I'm stupid isn't gonna do much for you. ;) I don't need your analogies to see your point. Please don't talk down to me, and I won't talk down to you.

At 4/16/03 03:11 PM, el_foka wrote: Yes, I know he hadn't heard of them, I was just trying to tell him about one. Sheesh.

I'm using my last post to say to you...None of my hostility was directed toward you! LOL

That was all to the thread creator, believe me.

No worries, kay?

At 4/16/03 03:05 PM, Lazyness wrote: How was I 'bashing' every American and Christian? Yes, I do find the fact that people tell you you're going to hell just because you don't believe in God disturbing.

Wow...this is getting under my skin. Thank God for the limit of 4 posts to a thread per hour. You'd be getting an earfull, kid.

You 'bashed every American and Christian' by the very title of your post. It's hateful and ignorant. You called religious Americans 'freaks'. There's no need for something like that.

And whether or not you find my belief system disturbing is YOUR problem, not mine. I have every right to that belief, and it is your job, as a human being, to respect that right. I don't expect you to understand this, especially after starting such a thread.

If you have a problem with something that happened...make it personal with THAT PERSON. Don't group every American or Christian or 'religious freak' into it.

At 4/16/03 02:55 PM, el_foka wrote:

At 4/16/03 02:38 PM, Taxman2A wrote:

You're an idiot. First of all, you have never even been to America, so shut up. Second of all, there has never been a protest against naked armpits, anywhere on earth, EVER. I have never heard of a porn movie protest either.

Don't want to bother with your entire post, but yes people have protested porn, both soft and hard for a very long time. Orgazmo was my most recent memory of people asking for theaters to be shut down...

If you read it, actually, he states that while there's never been a staged protest against armpit hair (ew, that's just...uncomfortable), he'd never HEARD of protests against pornography.

He didn't say that there weren't any. Just that he'd never heard of it.

Taxman...there are. :) A lot of them around here, in fact, since Portland is a HUGE sex industry mecca. There's been picketing and protesting and all sorts of things whenever any sort of new porn store opens up, especially when it's in a questionable zone.

The fact remains, however, that this thread is exactly why people grow up to be so ignorant.

You know what this reminds me of?

I met a woman once, Theresa, who was SOOO PREDJUDICED against black men because she'd been raped by one. She didn't just hate that one...but ALL of them. Every one of them.

Isn't that the same thing that's going on here?

So one, or even a few, americans did something that the thread-started didn't care for. So freakin' what? That's what life is...learning how to deal with things that might rub you the wrong way.

Maturity is when you learn the difference between justified anger, and throwing a tantrum. People are going to do things that you don't care for, kid. Learn to take it stride, and at least learn not to let your anger spill out and insult or offend or hurt others. That's the dignified thing to do.

9/11.

I missed two, obviously. The one about the allies in wwII (Picked the one that had all but Russia in it, with Italy in it's place), and the year the Constitution was written. Silly me. I was thinking Declaration of Independance. Bah! LOL

I'm not going to even bother quoting this guy.

You know what, man? You need to grow up and deal with the fact that there are ALWAYS going to be people telling you their opinions in ways that YOU DON'T LIKE.

I happen to be Christian. I believe that yes, if you do not accept Christ, you will go to hell.

Who the hell do YOU think you are to bash me for it, even indirectly? You have the audacity to pass judgement on ALL Americans -AND- all Christians, because of what a few people have said to you?

Once again, grow up. You have no right whatsoever to bash the freedom of this country, because I can say this, RIGHT off the bat: I have the constitutionally protected freedom to believe in whatever God I want to.

Just because someone shared that with you (in a not so positive way) doesn't justify bashing every american and every christian IN america.

Let's pretend you don't believe in eating pepperoni.

OH MY GOD! What if someone tells you that they think you're a freak because you don't eat pepperoni pizza?? WILL THE WORLD END!?

Pfft.

At 4/16/03 12:59 PM, Freakapotimus wrote:

At 4/16/03 12:21 PM, bumcheekcity wrote: And yes, that would have been utterly HILARIOUS!!!

I smell Flash movie!

I will immediately vote 5 on a well done flas movie about Saddam in a pink (or khaki green, whatever) rhinestone thong, all oily and blushing.

Seriously.

Someone! Doooo iiiiiit! LMAO

Oh....oh, man...

Okay, I have to admit something.

When I type -lol- it doesn't necessarily mean I've actually laughed out loud. I mean...I think it's funny? But when I'm looking at a computer screen it takes a lot to get me to actually chuckle.

THAT just did it. I laughed so hard I snorted. THANKS!

I'm not sure why people are all so down on him.

He has an opinion, just like all of us. So what?

Nem...please. Just because he's not a politician, doesn't mean we can't talk about him. Shit, man...the day you dictate what we can and can't talk about here in this forum is the day I shit diamonds.

Michael Moore does what ALL OF US DO. We hear and use facts that support our opinions. Why is he so bad for doing that?

At 4/16/03 03:04 AM, bumcheekcity wrote:

At 4/15/03 11:27 PM, MadMax501 wrote: you should all see Bowling for Columbine.

is it any good? or does it make some difference to the topic?

Yes, and yes.

It's a touchy subject here, I believe, since Michael Moore is a very outspoken Anti-Bush man. But Bowling for Columbine made me realize a LOT about the media.

Now...there were a lot of things about that movie that may or may not have been correct statistically. It may have shown some things that aren't really representative about Canada...but to tell the truth? I don't care. It was a specatacular viewpoint on something we should all think about.

bumcheekcity: the biggest reason why it pertains to this thread is the media and this one fact that blew me away. American media? In the last 40 years, violent crime has gone DOWN by 20%.

American media coverage of violent crime has gone UP 600%.

That's not a typo.

It's all about what sells. It's all about what gets the attention of the viewers. Commander is right...if it bleeds it leads.

I almost went in to the media business, as a comentator and editorialist. I know how biased the American media can be.

I would suggest you see that movie, just because it shows the rediculous culture of fear we live in. We're so afraid of everything...and really? It's all because of the media.

At 4/15/03 08:24 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote:

At 4/15/03 08:09 PM, Nightshadeplus wrote: Sheesh! If Cuba is that bad, I wonder why the US decided to imprison terrorists at Guatanamo Bay in the first place.

Wow, I don't know what part of your ignorance to shoot down first...

NemesisZ, this is possibly the first time I've agreed with you (partially) about something in a LONG time.

So let me help with shooting down ignorance.

First...Nightshadeplus? Ignorance just means that you're uninformed.

Guantanamo Bay is actually not just a base, but a very strategic base. It doesn't mean we're on good terms with Cuba...with the fenceline being up, and armed guards staring at each other for most of the day? I'd say it's a pretty volatile place to be.

The fact is Cuba IS NOT a US-friendly place, and it IS closer than any other threat. The fact that we have a key base there helps us, but the fact is...just because we have a base there, doesn't mean we're friends with them.

Hell. I'd like to have the embargo lifted, so I could get some good freakin' cuban cigars! This american shit is TIRING!

(For those of you that are new and might be confused...yes. I'm a girl. I smoke cigars. Get over it.)

Wow, so...I haven't been around much.

To be honest? I dunno if I'm gonna be all that active on Snooble. I'm just too busy for THREE forums. lol

Isn't that sad? I'm so bad at multitasking it's not even funny.

jimsween:

I appreciate what you have to offer here. But please do NOT make the same mistake you did with this post again. It was glaringly misinformed, and I'll share why.

At 4/13/03 02:42 PM, jimsween wrote:
Chemical inbalances can ALWAYS be dealt with without medication.

This is so very very wrong, it's sad. If there's a chemical imbalance in one's brain, then it will most likely need some sort of medication to get it back where it should be.

Think of it this way, Jim. People with a pancreas that doesn't work correctly end up with a chemical imbalance in their body that makes them very sick. It's called diabetes. When the pancreas doesn't make enough insulin, it requires that the diabetic patient take insulin suplements daily for the rest of their lives.

That is a chemical imbalance that cannot be dealt with without medication. Some can be, yes, depending on the severity. It's very similar with chemical imbalances in the brain. I'm not sure why so many people think it's so very different from the rest of the human organs. Some imbalances can be dealt with by adjustment. Other times...medication is inevitable.

The body makes it's own chamicals and the amount of those chemicals that are made depends on your surrounding environment, severe stress can cause an absece of ceratonin, enorphins, and dopamine.

This is misleading.

Chemical imbalance means just that. A chemical misfire in the brain. An imbalance. How much seratonin or the rest is produced is likely linked to environmental issues...but what we're talking about here is something that causes the seratonin to either stop working, or stop being produced. It is NOT always linked to situations. It's sometimes something that one cannot control.

If you have loving parents and a reasonably stable life than your body wont have much of these "chemical inbalances".

Please tell me, Jim...do you honestly believe that?

It's simply not true. I don't think I have to explain why.

I'm going to psychobabble here, and explain something about seratonin, in a way that my psychiatrist explained it.

There's two types of depression: chemically induced, and situational. Chemical imbalances are likely the cause for it all, but the differences are...with chemical depression, it's a literal disease of the brain, where there's something just not working right. Like the previously before explained pancreas and it's responsibility for insulin.

Chemical imbalances that are due to true malfunctions of the brain are rather rare. These are the people that will be on medication for the rest of their lives.

Situational is just that...but it's so, so broad. It doesn't have to have anything to do with home or social life. It could be a breakup, or simply the thought errors one has. I could write a thesis on this, actually...but I won't. This type of depression, though, is what most people have. Almost ALL people, actually.

I was going to explain seratonin reuptake inhibitors, but I won't. Suffice it to say that it isn't always necessary to have medication prescribed, but it -is- sometimes necessary.

To evilkate! *lol* Sorry this is so long.

They had me on all SORTS of medication, but the one that got me was Depakote, a med that's used for two things: anti-convulsion (for epileptics) and a mood stabilizer (that's what I was taking it for, since i was diagnosed as being bipolar). I was also on trazodone, klonopin, zoloft, and risperdal. My psych was VERY good, he was amazing...and he supported me though taking myself off the medication.

I've been great now, and I need no help whatsoever, other than a bi-yearly session with my therapist, just to check in. I chalk it up to learning to correct my thought errors, and spirituality.

Okay, first of all...whoever called me 'son', I'm a girl. *lol*

Second...it wasn't really all that random. It's something having to do with political or personal beliefs, considering that Fred Phelps (the leader of the WBC) was a civil rights lawyer for over two decades. Three? Who cares.

Anyway...thanks to those who support me. Obviously, I'm not gonna go shoot someone with an actual gun. That's just silly.

And about the bible and homosexuality....

There's passages that say homosexuality is an abomination. If that's the case, I can give you over 70 other things that are abomination, including eating oysters. The bottom line is this:

If they are Christians, they should understand that Christ himself is the ONLY being that can pass judgement upon another human being. They don't have to like it. But they CANNOT and SHOULD NOT pass judgement. Commander has it right. Hate the sin. Love the sinner.

Christ himself also promoted love, kindness, peace...everything that these people do NOT do. They preach with nothing but hate. It's ugly.

Many times I've heard all sorts of so-called Christians preach at me about things I've done. My own sexual preferences, whether or not I drink or smoke marijuana, sleep with people out of wedlock...and they have the nerve to pass judgement. There's been a few people in my life that have turned away from me, friendship wise, because I wasn't living a 'morally correct life'. What did I tell them?

Jesus Himself befriended thieves and prostitutes. If you're gonna be an asshole to me, bitch to HIM, too.

(I'm very aware that my Super Soaking the WBC picketers is my own passing of judgement. I would like to say that I'm not telling them they're going to hell, I'm not passing any sort of judgement on them like THAT. It's my own personal way of saying, "FUCK YOU, you Nazi pricks!")

Yeah, so. Wish me luck! I bought a Super Soaker today. :) I'm not going to do anything but ice water, tho...no stains or anything that hurts. I want to make them uncomfortable, and make my point. I dont want to -hurt- them.

Okay, to put it simply:

They're putting a play on in my home town. "The Laramie Project". My friends are in it. I'm going to see it anyway.

The WBC will be there to picket with signs that say "GOD HATES FAGS" and "AIDS CURES FAGS" among others.

Because I will be there anyway, and because they piss me off, I'm going to do something that will just piss them off right back...but not hurt them. Spray them with very cold water.

That's all. lol

(This is a copy/paste of a thread I also have on the CC boards. The link that I give may be censored here, too...but I'm trying here, under TheEvilOne's suggestion)

So, I thought I'd just let everyone know.

If you all aren't familiar with the Westboro Baptist Church and their site ( www.godhatesfags.com ), let me share a little. (I'm sorry to those that offends. Believe me...I don't like it, either.)

First, the site will piss off those that don't like Christianity to begin with. Second...it'll piss off Christians even more. In no way does this reflect the true nature of what Christianity is about, so don't think so. I myself am a Christian.

Which is why I'm gonna get the fuckers.

I grew up in a town called La Grande, a community of 12,000+ in eastern Oregon. There, Eastern Oregon University is the proud home of several theatrical productions a year, some of which are rather controvercial.

On the 17th of this month, I get to travel back to La Grande, and witness that very church protest a play that my alma mater is putting on. "The Laramie Project" is a play about Matthew Shepard, the boy that was beaten to death because he was gay. WBC not only picketed his funeral with signs that read "GOD HATES ***S" and "AIDS CURES ***S", but they have a website up that actually counts the days (and minutes, I believe) that Matt Shepard has 'been in hell'. This play, The Laramie Project, is being protested everywhere it's being produced...and I'm gonna be ready to fight back. *grin*

Armed with a Super Soaker, I'm going to go see the play, and when I approach the members of the church with said signs...they'll get a shot of icy cold water. Yay!

Whether or not you're religious, anti religious, whatever...that isn't the issue. It's about hate crimes and the spreading of false information and hatred. I'm gonna give them a -reason- to hate me.

OOH! I should wear my pride shirt! WHEE!

Anyway...if I get arrested, I'll let you all know.

This is something that hits very close to home for me.

Chemical balance in the brain, and a brain that is -unbalanced-, can cause all sorts of behavioral and emotional problems.

That does not mean that giving the blanket diagnosis of 'chemical imbalance' to every upset youngster is the answer.

Let me put it this way.

I'm a 25 year old female that's been through all SORTS of mental and emotional instabilities, and those were honest chemical imbalances and clinical problems. Because of this, when I see teens online that are having emotional trouble, I talk with them a little, try to see where they're coming from, and give them the best advice I can. After all, I'd have wanted the same thing for myself had I had access to the internet.

This is the BIGGEST problem I see: teenagers assuming they're depressed, and the people around them being enablers.

The truth is, many of these kids on pills don't know what true depression is. How many people out there are old enough to remember puberty and teen-years WITHOUT medication? Fuck yes, it was hard! Your body's going through changes, you're discovering the opposite sex, you're learning, growing...holy shit, that's gotta be the most confusing time of your life!

Does this require medication that messed with the uptake of seratonin? Or other mood-enhancing-or-stabilizing pharmeseuticals?

NO NO NO! A THOUSAND TIMES, NO!

I've dealt with clinical depression and bipolar disorder since before I was even a teenager. It was a true medical problem for me. And still...I've learned to deal with it -without- medication. I went through therapy and learned the tools I needed to keep myself healthy and up.

There are some instances where medication is needed, yes. I used to be a huge advocate of the unwritten "Give em pills!" campaign. I can't be anymore, because I've lived a live doped up on prescriptions that made my hair fall out, made me a zombie, made me nothing but a shell...all in the name of 'mental health'.

Medications should be a last resort. Teenagers will get depressed. That's called puberty.

Children will be hyper. That's called being a goddamned KID.

Parents need to get more involved instead of thinking modern medicine can solve every little thing for them.

To evilkate: no one is calling your mother a bad parent. I'm sure that she's made some bad choices for you, just like every parent does. NO PARENT IS PERFECT. I'm not sure if I caught this correctly, but if she put you on medication, or if YOU feel like you needed medication, then I'm sure you did. But there's too many parents that feel that's their only option.

There's always the option of therapy. Therapy without medication can work.

Medication without therapy WILL NOT WORK ON A LONG TERM BASIS.

I'm living proof of that.

If you'd like to know more of -how- I've done it without medication, I can help whoever asks. I just don't want to psychobabble here. *lol* Well. Any more than I already have.

I find it sick that some people can't just be a little more compassionate.

I didn't say I'd suddenly decided I was PRO WAR because of this stuff. I've never been anti-war, anyway. Just THIS war, and THIS administration, and THIS BULLSHIT. But I'll be damned if I'm going to be so shortsighted as to NOT see the happy people of Iraq celebrating what they see as a good thing.

Why on earth are so many people so closed minded? Part of the human experience is being moved by things and feelings and sights and emotions. You can't be totally cold and logical with everything you encounter.

I STAND BY MY DISLIKE FOR THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES!

I will stay that before I go any further. But in the radio call I heard, there was an important issue brought up that I'd never thought of before.

So many people are against this war because of the chance that civilians will be killed. That innocent Iraqi people will die.

The Iraqi man that was speaking was very passionate when he said: "Yes, Iraqi people might die. Civilians might die. But under Saddam Hussein's reign, over TWO MILLION people have died, and more will die still. So tell me, little girl, how will leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?"

Any argument I had concerning Iraqi civilians paled in comparison. I've always sood by the knowledge that there will be civilian deaths. But I'd never looked at it that way.

Lo and behold! I LET SOMETHING INFLUENCE ME! Dear God, does that mean...I'm human?

No.

It can't be.

I am trying very, very hard to remain civil. But I'd highly suggest that those of you pointing fingers at those of us being optimistic about things STOP pointing those fingers. No one said anything about the war being over. No one said anything about everything being okay, alright, peachy keen. But there was a glimmer of something -good- in the middle of all the bullshit, and I'll be damned if I'm going to turn my back on that. I thank God that those people felt that joy.

They had the right and the freedom to tear that statue down. Imagine that. Try to imagine what NONE OF US has ever experienced! If anyone had even attempted that before...my god, they'd be shot dead in an instant. Maybe worse. They weren't allowed to show such unrest with the country's leadership. And they had the -freedom- to do just that! Can't you try to put yourselves in their shoes, and at least attempt to imagine how that must have felt? To have the luxury of doing, for possibly the first time, what they --wanted--?

There's going to be more battling, shooting, bombs. Yes. But that should not, and WILL NOT, take away from that single but important freedom those people were granted.

At 4/10/03 04:14 AM, Anarchy_Balsac wrote:

At 4/10/03 04:06 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: I didn't mean Nemesis. You know that.

oooooohhhhhhh you meant House_Of_Leaves, my bad :)

Wow. I certainly hope you're not serious.

If you're not, then I'll let you know...you don't 'play dumb' very well. In fact, you play it horribly.

If you -are- serious...I meant you.

I'm usually a nice girl. And I might be wrong, since I've only seen a few posts from you. But I have to say...if I ever wanted to jump on the 'You're a moron' bandwagon...now would be the time.