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...I just looked at that post, Shrike...and thought, hmm. Dropped of the face of the earth? But this thread...okay.

So I checked when this thread was started.

At the end of 2001??? WTF?

Why is it being brought back in 2003? For a flame war? SHEESH people! Here I thought I was gonna get to rip into this Biseor guy.

Thank you, Shrike. :) I never would have noticed that on my own.

It's funny...I understand the meaning behind a memorial, but I can't help but think that the money could go to something more useful.

First, a response to the 'give their life' thing. Yes, they gave their lives. Lord help me, I forgot already who said they didn't give their lives because "it's their job". lol

My point is about that, though...yes. It's their job. A job they hold of their own free will. If they saw the danger and got scared, they could have easily said, "Sorry, I quit. I'm not going to leave my family behind." But they didn't. Even those that were off duty came to help.

Now, that being said...9/11 was a tragedy. But a memorial is just going to suck more funds away from other areas that need it very badly. I'm STILL irked with the two beams of light where the trade center used to be. How much freakin' electricity does that use?? When California was having rolling blackouts, NYC was remembering an unforgetable tragedy with precious electricity. Baffles me.

I'm not going to read the whole debate and flame-war that's apparently going on here.

I'll just say this: two of my best friends are HIV positive. I will miss them when they go.

It sickens me to think that there's people like you who think that pain and suffering is a good thing. I can force myself to see your logic any time, but I'm also a human being, and I'm letting my feelings take over.

You might as well just point at people who are HIV positive, laugh, and say "HA HA! You deserve it!"

Shame on you. SHAME on you, you sad little man.

A little something I just cooked up here the last few minutes.

My interpretation of the ongoing battle of wits between the PC and the DAG.

At 5/29/03 10:10 AM, DarkBlueFlame wrote: I was just wondering am i the most powerful PC member level wise after Freak?

Yes, level-wise you're pretty close. Slizor, I think, too.

Voting power, though. I gotcha there. :D

I need to remember to deposit xp more often.

Question.

If masturbation were outlawed, what about the song "I Touch Myself" by the DiVinyls? That's an awesome song to sing for karaoke. I'd miss it.

Part of me wants to believe in such freedoms of religion.

But for identification purposes, yes, she should take her veil off. Perhaps offer two sets of ID, one with, one without. I dunno.

...Fry-day!

HAHAH!

Okay, seriously, tho? This is silly. Rediculous, even.

Manson was an accessory, and people are put in prison for being an accessory to murder. You can bitch and moan about unfair trials all you like, Mr. cannibal. I don't know but a few things about Charles Manson. I do know that he's pretty nutty, and as far as I know, they try not to let nutty people represent themselves in a court of law.

Let's give Mr. Cannibal a hypothetical situation. What do you think would have happend if he HAD represented himself? Do you think he would have gotten off scott free?

No, I think he'd be exactly where he is now.

But what then? What would you have to defend?

"Damn that court, they LET HIM REPRESENT HIMSELF! They should have known better, a lawyer would done a better job."

At 5/29/03 12:07 AM, FUNKbrs wrote: Peace? Yeah, fuck that. Change is never peaceful, even when it is not catastrophic to human life. Progress is change. Therefore Peace is mutually exclusive to Progress.

That was surprisingly profound, and entirely too true.

As long as there's change there will be unrest. Heh.

At 5/28/03 11:46 PM, Commander-K25 wrote:

At 5/28/03 11:23 PM, Ninja_Scientist wrote:
And if your purpose was how it affects those who view it. Then why does pedophilia porn affect those who have the urge to molest, yet violent rape porn NOT affect those who have the urge to rape?

Maybe 'violent rape porn' should be banned as well.

I'll respond to that, Commander, because it was so easy to read! lol

I agree that 'violent rape porn' should be banned in an ideal world.

I will concede that 'violent rape porn' might incite people to commit rape acts.

I suppose I was trying to illustrate that when the fantasy of rape (which I don't like to use, because it's really not rape. I use 'ravishment', instead) becomes an issue, many times people can explore those fantasies without hurting anyone. If I wanted to be 'ravished', for example, I certainly wouldn't go walking down a deserted street late at night. I'd find a partner that was willing to ravish me in a safe, sane, consentual way.

My whole point is that there's no 'safe, sane, or consentual' outlet to practice child molestation.

I'm going to be weak and give in to responding to Ninja. Really, this is a conversation with her.

Something you'll likely learn about the way I debate. I keep issues very separate, and I don't like adding new issues to exsisting ones. You started bringing in gay porn, rape, other taboos and 'moral wrongs', and that's one of my biggest pet peeves. You ask me about child porn. I answer about child porn. When that answer isn't what you wanted to hear, you start bringing in other issues. I have a feeling you won't stop bringing in issues until I agree with you.

I won't agree. If you don't understand my simple logic, I'm sorry. In my opinion, and I state publicly that my opinion is NOT fact, virtual child porn is a bad idea. BAD IDEA. That's it.

I swear, I need some freakin will power. *LOL* I'm going to try, again, to not respond any more. It's fruitless anyway.

Simple. True. :)

I like your quote. 1 Corinthians is one of my most favorite books in the Bible.

On a totally different tangent, I made a new signature picture!

I'm kinda proud of this one. I downloaded a bunch of new fonts and used one. :)

Oh, the wonders of photoshop.

I've asked over and over again, and I've been ignored. I'm sorry, but it hasn't been just me that has asked you to trim down your posts.

THREE posts that are that long? In a row?

No, sorry. I'm done here.

Suffice it for me to say that you don't need to 'tell me again' and dumb it up for me. I saw it the first time. I keep offering different ideas, you do nothing but repeat yourself.

I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT.

I WILL NEVER AGREE WITH IT.

You contradict yourself, you argue for yourself, then for others, send conflicting arguments about homosexuality, porn, everything else. You allow yourself to pick on MY words, yet you can't take what you dish out.

I suppose I'm the only one with patience enough to actually -try- this debate. But I'm done now.

My last words in this topic: TRIM DOWN YOUR POSTS. They will not be read if you continue to talk down to those reading them, and continue on and on and one, repeating your point over and over.

I'm not sure you realize that it's not a GOOD thing, to be so in love with your own words.

Less is more. Keep that in mind, take it to heart.

And don't try to convince me anymore. It's a lost cause. If you must continue to repeat your points here, do it for someone elses benefit.

I'm going to answer this in as simple a way as I can. In doing so, I'm going to expose things about myself that people can either choose to use against me, or take for what it's worth.

First: Being gay is not wrong. It is a fact of life. Your argument there is lost on me. I, myself, am a bisexual woman.

Second: You've done to me what you said I did to you. You didn't read my post about rape, or at least carefully enough, to see my point. So, here we go. I'm spelling it out for you, because this is not common sense. This is stuff a lot of people don't get.

In the world of BDSM, there is a credo that is just what I told you. "Safe, Sane, Consentual". Let's say that a woman is having an empassioned moment, is a bit of a masochist, likes kink, and says to her lover mid-coitus: 'Rape me!' Do you think she's actually asking to be raped? Or is she using the word because the very taboo of it turns her on?

Come on, Ninja. I think you know perfectly well the difference. That same woman would not enjoy real rape. I read in a book on D/s once, about a woman who wanted to explore rape or "ravishment" fantasies. These are commonly called "Resistance Scenes" and are completely negotiated beforehand. This text I'm going to quote is to show you that there's a world out there of CONSENTUAL adults that practice this and do so without hurting anyone at all.

I appologize for this being so long, but this is solely for you, Ninja. I hope you actually understand this.

Title "Do you really have no choice?" The truth is that you are always making choices, whether you admit it or not. Just as no one can actually magically steal your power, your power is always with you whether you want it or not.

As a bottom, it can be very sexy to believe that you have no choices. "Poor me! Forced to endure all this intense sensation, turned on against my will." To keep this fantasy hot and safe, it is important that we understand that it is a FANTASY, and if it is not hot anymore, or safe, or feeling okay, then we do have a choice. We can stop the scene, we can ask for something different, we can tell our playmate about the problem we are having. In a worst-case scenario, we can choose a different playmate.

Dossie remembers a scene that strongly highlighted the contrast between fantasy and reality: "The fantasy was that I was tied in the tyrant's bed, available to be ****ed at any time against my will. My friend the tyrant indeed did wake me up at 4 am, as per my request, and ****ed me. The problem was, I was exhausted and quite sore from earlier activities, and could not get turned on. I kept turning my mind back to the fantasy of nonconsent, frantically hunting for my turn-on somewhere in there. But this time, in my sleepy state, I convinced myself that I really had no choice, and this was nonconsentual (all this time my poor friend is dudifully plugging away) and I became genuinely scared. My perceptive tyrant figure out that something was wrong and stopped.

So, you see. I'm not expecting you to go out and start practicing the BDSM lifestyle. But you DO have to understand, Ninja, that there are men and women that CONSENTUALLY practice this stuff and there's nothing wrong with it.

You cannot tie in child pornography in with a taboo fantasy that can be acted out between two consenting adults. Do you see that now? Comparing kiddie porn to -anything- is nigh on impossible, because it's in a league of it's own.

I can almost hear your arguments now...but I'll let you bring them up as you will. I'm about done with this thread. Just stop comaring kiddie porn to things that don't even come close. Please?

Freakapotamus, you're right. There's sources for that sort of ill thought everywhere. I suppose my argument was that a lot of it does come from the media. Not all of it. But a lot. I was never put down as a kid, adult, any time, by my friends OR family. It was media - magazines, television, movies - that first showed me I'm not the -norm-.

As for us chicks on the internet...some of us just have more time on our hands. :) I'm not a homely little girl. I'm just...attached so I don't go out trolling for men a whole lot, don't have much money so I don't go out clubbing a lot, blah blah blah. Just happens that I'm here sometimes.

I think I should add this.

For the sake of doing so, Ninja, I read what you wrote. I read it, understood it. I don't agree with your logic. I understand it.

I also answered your questions about gay porn, and rape fantasies. Please don't accuse me of 'not answering any of your questions'.

It's now YOUR turn to "Read, woman!"

However, I'd like to point out that I can respond to whatever I feel I need to. Those questions weren't directed at me at first. I didn't answer them.

Now I have. Scroll up.

I'm quickly starting to learn that I can't get anywhere here. So I'm going to stop trying soon.

Why on earth did you feel the need to break down the word "for" for me, Ninja? Do you think I'm that much of an ignorant wretch?

I don't appreciate your little jabs.

Also, I'd suggest that you not tell me where or when to post. The way you post, dear...I'm sorry, I'm going to be blunt. It's -boring-. I want as much information as I can in as little time. I did read what I needed to know. And in case you haven't been able to read into what I'm saying, I suppose I overestimated you. Let ME break it down for YOU.

IN MY OPINION (which I have a right to), there is NO MIDDLE GROUND when it comes to child pornography. If you can justify it within yourself, to offer even virtual porn to sex criminals, then...fine. So be it. I will not take the task of changing your mind on my shoulders. But I WILL demand that you stop talking down to me and explaining words like "for" simply because I don't agree with you.

Please start understanding that not everyone has to agree with you.

I'll leave it at that. I think you understand perfectly where I'm coming from. I think your goal now is to change my mind, and I'm telling you, that's not going to work. I think you're smart enough to realize that I've been courteous enough not to talk down to you and explain every little word I use. I just naturally assume that you're smart enough to get it yourself. The next time you talk down to me, I'll talk down to you, and write a novel for YOU. I'll talk down to you in the same way you consistantly do here, and then we'll see if you get why your long-winded posts aren't necessary.

We're not idiots. I know I'm not. You don't need to dumb it up for me, thanks.

I simply do not agree with you. Get over it.

Oh, and. I'd like to point out.

At first, you were arguing that you advocate virtual kiddie porn because it saves children.

Now you're saying you're against ALL porn.

Where exactly do you stand?

Also...please don't tell me to "Read, woman!" I've already told you that if the post is another long, drawn out one that simply repeats over and over what you've said already, I won't read it. There's a bit of art in being able to express yourself in a small amount of words.

Keep in mind that when you get that long-winded, it sounds as if you think we aren't intelligent enough to understand without you picking it apart bit by bit. Please don't confuse my not agreeing about this with not understanding. I understand perfectly.

I still don't agree.

I'm not guessing.

Am I right in knowing that you think 'virtual kiddie porn' is okay? You've stated such many times.

I'm not assuming anything.

Do I disagree with you?

Yes.

Agree to disagree.

When it comes to...ah, yes. The gay porn, what have you. You want to know why it's different?

Because every other adult involved in those sorts of things are of the AGE OF CONSENT. It might be twisted, sick, kinky, debased, horrifying to you...but if it follows the creedo "Safe, Sane, Consentual", then it's none of my business.

You also ask about rape fantasies. Or books with rape in them. Or porn that depicts rape. That's a good point, and one I can't answer except to say: the women that participate in those fantasies realize that they are just that...fantasies. If it's a fantasy, if it's consentual, it's not really rape.

You're delving into something that can't be explained in the same way, but I understand why you're bringing it up. Suffice it to say that while rape fantasies are more common than you think, no woman (even those that fantasize about rape or 'ravishment') enjoys -real- rape.

If you're looking for me to agree that all sorts of porn should be outlawed, you're looking in the wrong place, sister.

At 5/28/03 02:02 AM, Ninja_Scientist wrote: Everything.

Ninja, are you not even reading the first line of my post?

I will not respond to your posts until you can TRIM THEM DOWN to a readable level.

I did not once say that you thought child porn was right. I DID say that you think VIRTUAL child porn is right, and I disagree with that, and that we should agree to disagree. You are not going to sway me on this.

You are talking down to us by making your points longer and longer. We don't need it all spelled out for us. I, for one, understand where you're coming from perfectly. I can -see- your points.

That doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Please. If you expect a response to your points, as you just pointed out, do NOT put them in a post that takes FOREVER TO READ. Because I will not read it.

Sorry if that seems callous. But that's me.

There's feminine hygene products called 'Insteads' that collect the menstrual blood in a small sturdy cup, rather than absorbing it.

Those would come in handy.

When it comes to reviewing things like that, and there's no interactivity, humor, violence, whathaveyou, I give a 0 to whatever it was missing.

After all, only the overall score counts toward the actual score.

HAHAHAH!!! Supervisors...haha

Ha!

That was great!

So, yeah...I agree. Visors are, I think, sometimes better than hats.

I wear them when I play softball, or tennis in the sun. It doesn't make my head sweat, and it keeps the sun out of my eyes!

Romance changes from person to person.

For me? I love it when he sings to me.

Or puts the radio on and dances with me, alone, in our apartment.

One of the most romantic things we've ever done is watch a sunset on a beach together.

Simple things are often underrated.

The creator of this forum is right.

The standard on Newgrounds has been seriously shoved out of whack.

I submitted a flash animation last...who knows? November? December? It was rightly blammed, because while the artwork is good, the animation wasn't. It was not good enough to stay on the portal.

I did an experiment. Resubmitted it. It survived with a score over 2.1. HOW?? How and why? I did -nothing- to change it.

The fact is, people are voting more loosely on crap, giving it a 2, rather than blamming. I suspect their either afraid of being targeted as a person who always blams, or losing out on protection points, since a lot more seems to be surviving unfairly now-a-days.

Things change, yes. But not always for the better.

I'm sorry, but I disagree that it's disgusting.

When you prick your finger, do you bleed? Is that blood gross?

When you were born, that blood was all over your body. When you grow into a woman (if you're female) that's the signal your body is ready to procreate. Menstruation is not ugly, it's not disgusting, and it's not unnatural.

I applaud this woman for going out on a limb, despite all the negative and ugly comments from people all over the world.

You know...I used to take care of an elderly woman during the election and all that. Her reason for not liking Bush:

"I don't trust the guy. His eyes are too close together."

Hahahahaaaaa

At 5/27/03 10:53 PM, JudgeMeHarshX wrote: SuckMyClock.

HAHAHAH!!! That's GREAT!

I wonder why none of them have ever thought about that before?

I'm begging you, Ninja...trim down your posts.

I come here to get ideas, to be involved in stimulating conversations...and honestly? The responses I've read from you have done nothing but assume things about me that aren't true. You're twisting my words to make me sound bad, and I don't appreciate it.

I, unlike a lot of people, mean what I say. Don't read anything else into it, please.

I care about the children. I care about the kids that will be hurt when those that view the virtual kiddie porn, in the long run, decide to do to real kids what they've witnessed.

I'm sorry you don't understand that. It's a very simple concept, really, and something that has to do with human psychology, which I studied a bit in college. Namely...they'll know it's fake, it'll start them on the path, they'll start with the -real- stuff...start molesting...it's a progression that I dont think you've clearly thought through.

You're not going to convince me that it's right. If you believe it is? I respect your opinion. Please, don't try to make me look like a heartless bitch just because I wish to 'help the children' in a way that's more permanent.

Oooh, great great question! Makes me think. Makes me a little sad, too.

- I'd make sure my parents, family, friends all knew that I loved them very very much. They're the most important thing in my life.

- I'd go and try heroin for the first time, since I've always been curious but not stupid enough to ever actually do it. Then I'd have lots and lots of kinky, debased sex with my boyfriend and my best girlfriend.

- I'd finally have sex with the beautiful gay friend that really really wants to, but I can't bring myself to do. He's never been with a woman, wants me to be the first.

- I'd steal a car/money and drive everywhere I could, to actually hug the people I want to. Showing them I love them is more important than not stealing, I figure. I'd hold their hands, cry with them, and reassure them that I'm going to a good place.

- I'd pray. My last hours, I'd sing the most beautiful praise songs I know, I'd lift up His name, and I'd pray till I keeled over dead, thanking God for the life He let me live.

That's all.