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At 6/28/03 09:36 PM, My-anus-is-BLEEDING wrote: ...

WOW.

You know what? This is one of the most profound, thought-provoking things I've read in a LONG time. Thank you so, so much for that.

I grew up in such a small town that it wasn't possible to 'reality hack' effectively. Talking to people on the street wasn't out of the ordinary. You knew everyone, so..nothing was really weird.

But man. Living where I do now? I think I'm going to reality hack tomorrow! On the public transportation line! Yay!

At 6/28/03 08:37 PM, nailbomb wrote: Tom Green is a bad influence on today's youth, he inspired me to cover myself in yogurt and mustard for my last movie in Introduction To Audio-Visual Techniques.

hahahahaa, yogurt and MUSTARD?? EWW!!!

That cracked me up! SO MUCH!

So, when do we get to see the finished project? I want to see you covered in mustard and...what flavor was the yogurt?

At 6/28/03 08:57 PM, Sophia_7 wrote: good stuff. :)

I wanted to say I appreciated what you wrote.

Also that you have a lovely saying in your signature. Thank you. :)

Hopefully, some of you will have the patience to read this. It might be long.

As a Christian woman, I believe in evolution WITHIN creation. That is, I believe God created the universe (OH MY GOD, maybe with the Big Bang!) and creatures have evolved on this earth since then. From apes to human? I don't believe that. I think that's going a little far. But there's proof of evolution withing shorter amounts of time, adaptation to environment, all that. So. Evolution within creation is what I choose to believe.

Now, this is where I get into the God stuff. Those of you that get bored quickly, stay with me. It won't take me long.

I believe:

God created us in His image. Therefore, he's felt every emotion that we have. He's jealous, mean, angry, and demands perfection. But he's also a loving God. He knows that his standards are too high for us. He made us almost perfectly...but damned Eve. She got nosey, and because God was good enough to give us free will, Eve chose to know instead of living in obscurity.

So, here we are. Imperfect. In a world with a God that demands perfection. For years and years he made rules for us to try to follow, to get closer to him, to emulate him, to BE that perfection he demanded, but eventually? He realized that it was too much to ask us. I mean...he DID try to fix his mistake with the whole flood thing, but Noah's family wasn't as sinless as he thought. So here he was again, with these bad children running amok on Earth, and he decides that he loves us SO much, that he want's us with him again badly enough that he's going to give us an out.

He gave us Christ.

He decided that he would send that perfection to Earth, he would become a man for 33 years, and show us what it is to be the perfection that he demanded...then he decided to give us a way to him. God, because he's perfect, wanted us to be perfect for him. He's inviting us into his house, and...I dunno about you? But I like the fact that I can pick and choose who enters my home. God is doing the same thing. But he made it so, so easy. He gave us an easy way. He gave us a tool, if you will, to use instead of the perfection he demands.

Christ is that tool. Christ is God's way of saying, "I'm sorry I expected you to be perfect. I can't change my mind about that. But here...here's Someone to be perfect for you. Believe this, believe that this is the price you'd have to pay. If you believe this, I'll let you in. Even if you aren't perfect. This redeems you."

I won't get saved on merit badges. I won't get saved by donating to charities or monthly tithes or doing good deeds. The one and only mediator between the imperfection we humans are, and our perfect God, is Christ.

All the rules? All the uppity bullshit that people slap on you when you're kids, with the titles and the prayers and the rosaries or whatever...that's all man-written. That's all to serve man. It's not God's doctrine. God's only doctrine was: "Believe that Christ died so I can see you again."

Simple, eh?

Am I preaching to you? No. This is what I believe. This is why I get so...I dunno. Frustrated with people who are down on religion without understanding the basics of Christianity. Not CHURCH. But Christ.

More Jesus. Less religion. That's what I believe. I respect everyone's opinions. I just wish people would learn the difference between faith and doctrine. You can argue doctrine. You can't argue faith. :)

One last thing...for all you scientists out there. I hear a lot: "Prove to me that God exsists."

My answer:

"Prove to me that He doesn't."

At 6/28/03 08:25 PM, darkmage8 wrote: So these guys are idiots, attack them all you want, but to take into account this handful of radical Bible-mutilators as a symbol of all Christianity is a horrifically ignorant and stereotypical remark. Don't sink to the level of these people who call themselves Christians.

This is exactly the gist of what people need to understand, and let sink in.

The people who raise hell and make noise about stuff like this...they aren't the ones you should look at for an example of the Christian faith. I won't shove my faith in anyone's face, but my word. I'm a Christian woman.

I loved the Harry Potter books.

I HATE godhatesf*gs.com. In fact, I'm a bi-sexual woman myself.

I'm pro-choice, for the sake of preserving our freedoms.

I don't go to church.

I believe that the Bible is a great book, but one that was written and translated by fallible human beings. Therefore, not all of it can be correct.

I believe that there is NOTHING you can do to deserve the gift Christ gives, and there is NOTHING you can do to have it taken away. I, unlike some, believe in the motto: "Once saved, always saved."

Now, are you going to hate me because I happen to believe that my God and Saviour is Jesus Christ? I mean, it's not hurting anyone. I'm not hurting anyone by praying. Or holding that belief. Or having my opinion. I don't call non-believers names, or damn them. It's not my place to judge anyone.

So...if the only criteria for hating these people is their Christianity...that's pretty silly, to be honest. What you dislike isn't their faith. It's how they, as individuals, use it.

I mean, for crying out loud. The KKK is supposed to be a "God-fearing" group. Do you think, because I believe in Christ, that I'm racially predjudiced, too?

So, in short. Thank you, darkmage. You said it very well. Don't let these handfull of people improperly represent an entire faith.

Commander, you said it perfectly for me.

I'm sorry, but these religion-hate topics bore me now. They used to get me all riled up. But now...it's just really ironic.

People can post and rant and rave and carry on about how they hate religion. But yet...when people try to defend their faith, it's called preaching. It's a double standard and one I won't play into anymore.

I'll say this, and hope that it sinks in this time.

HATE THE PEOPLE. Not the religion. Christianity as a faith isn't bad at all. It's the doctrines and rules written by MAN that's fucked it up. So you can continue to hate Christ. Or me, for being Christian. But being that closed minded is just sad.

It's called 'perogative'. People have them. I think, maybe...tomorrow, I'll start a "anyone who likes the color red is A STUPID SHEEP!" thread. See how that goes.

At 6/14/03 04:21 PM, TheShrike wrote: HOUSE!!! YOU ASKED IF YOU COULD GET A HOLD OF ME ON YAHOO, AND YOU NEVER DID. =[

I miss ya when you're not around, your commentary definately makes people think. (people who make posts less than a 4 pages long, anyway ; ] )

Welcome back, House!

OMGOMGOMG, I totally forgot! I think I remember what your sn was, too. K. :) Sorry about that!

So...Ted. Mind if I take pictures? Sell em? Stuff like that?

At 6/14/03 10:30 AM, Ted_Easton wrote: Never mind, Foka changed his, i suppose.

{{House}}

{{{Ted}}}

Welcome back! You sure do enjoy vacations. You spend more time on them than at regular life!;)

Actually, regular life is what I vacatin -to-. I meant vacations from the internet. I just get tired of the internet after a while.

But, to get you up to date:
el_foka changed his name

To...? I can't be arsed to look for myself.

version 1.75 of the PCM scrpit is up on snooble,

Ooooh, me go read soon!

a peace treaty with the DAG is in negotiations

Oh, hell, I'm pretty peaceful with the DAG anyway. At least the members that play Devil's Advocate the intelligent way. :D

wb!

Shpank ya, bebe! :D

At 6/14/03 09:28 AM, FatCatScandal wrote: At 6/14/03 07:51 AM, House_Of_Leaves wrote

To say you hate all Christians is just as bad as racial descrimination....

Who said anything about hating christians?...

I'm totally slimming down the quoting here. :D But, I suppose I should have stated that it was mwazzap I was addressing more than anything. And any number of people on the NG BBS that hate Christians/Christianity just for the sake of doing so. Not you specifically. :)

He DID talk about hating Christians. Killing them, whatever. Yeah, I know he was being a smart ass. But still.

Don't you realize that's like a woman being mugged by a black man, then suddenly hating all black men?...

people learn from their experiaces...

No, I don't think that's acceptable. I can understand having a fear because he -looks- like the guy that did it, just like any white man, too. But I'm talking about serious hate. Learning from an experience shouldn't have to include hating an entire race for one man's doing.

No, I'm not preaching...

Who said anything about you...

Again, all of this is trimmed down so it doesn't become rediculously long.

I mentioned myself because I pride myself in being one of the most open minded Christians I know. I konw others like myself, too. And there's more people out there like me than you'd think. That's all. Ones that don't judge at all, simply because it's not our job.

I know it wasn't specifically about the original question, but it did pertain. Yes, I believe that people should have the right to choose their religion, kids and adults alike.

But see, we already /do/. If someone's being religiously oppressed by parents...blame the parents! Not the entire religion!

All the same i have enjoyed what you have wrote so far and enjoyed writing this reply

Thanks. :) I'm SO glad you responded nicely and intelligently. Even though it all wasn't really directed at you. It's been a pleasure.

My next question...

Who's hating the individuals? once again i was talking about being forced to go to church as kids...

This still had everything to do with individuals. You can't blame a religion or a deity for something that your parents or teachers did. That's all I meant to say, really.

I suppose that's sorta like...people assuming all americans are the same and blame US for what our President does. If your parents forced you to do something like that, then point the finger at them, not their religion. It's only fair.

How hypocritical is it to tell me that I'm just as awful because I DO believe in God?

I haven't said it.. I have however said it is horrible forcing upon people and all the other stuff I have stated.

Why yes, Mr. Pot, this is Ms. Kettle. What? I'm black?

*lol*

Haha nice one.

Thanks! :D

/ooc (out of context/character) why did you stop the wicca?

Because it made me miserable. I enjoyed it for quite some time, then I realized...well. That it was totally feeding into my mental instabilities. And I firmly believe that once the fire has been started for Christ, it doesn't go away. I was very, very involved with my Church in high school, but they did something that made me very angry and I decided to turn away from the religion.

See, I'm speaking from experience here. :) I made the same mistake, blaming the whole religion for one church. But I was young. I know better now.

Eventually, I realized that I'd made Christianity way too hard before. I was trying to get saved on merit badges, and it doesn't work. There's one criteria: christ. That's it. Simple. Without him, no amount of good deeds will do anything. I was tired of feeling like I had to be perfect. I don't have to be perfect for Him.

That's all. :)

Okay, I didn't get past the first few posts and decided to type.

Please, kids. Don't hate ALL CHRISTIANS for whatever you've suffered. Those are individuals driven by doctrine and church, not Christ.

To say you hate all Christians is just as bad as racial descrimination. You can disagree with views, you can practice whatever religion you want to. But for the love of whatever deity you worship, don't use such a broad generalization!

Don't you realize that's like a woman being mugged by a black man, then suddenly hating all black men? It's the same thing! You're lumping all Christians in the same group.

How much research have you actually done into what people believe? How many Christians have you actually talked to? The ones you usually hear from are those that want you to convert to their DOCTRINE, not their God. God is always secondary.

No, I'm not preaching. I don't give two shits what you believe religiously. Hell, I practiced Wicca for years. The bottom line is, I'm very Christian. But I'll be damned if I'm like those evangelical assholes that think good deeds and money will get you into heaven. I don't need a building or a human being to tell me who or where my God is. Don't lump me in with the ones you claim have hurt you so badly.

My next question: if Christianity makes people feel good, and it doesn't really hurt you, why go to the trouble of hating them? Honestly. You have every right to say, 'This isn't what I believe.' You're so angry because people tell you you're awful for not believing in God.

How hypocritical is it to tell me that I'm just as awful because I DO believe in God?

Why yes, Mr. Pot, this is Ms. Kettle. What? I'm black?

*lol*

Please, use your heads when you think about this.

While like I feel like an idiot for even propogating this discussion, I'll state this.

If Manson was let out of prison, he would do something horrible again. Even HE knows this. No matter how bad-ass you want to seem, Mr. cannibal, I highly doubt you'd be singing the praises of Manson if he decided to kill someone in your family. Or your friends. Someone you love.

Your reasoning is fine for someone that isn't so criminally insane. I could see an argument for putting Manson in a maximum security psychiatric hospital. But if he were let free completely, he'd wreak havoc on society.

Is that something you'd want on your shoulders? Knowing you advocated that?

Oh, right. I forgot. You want people to think you're scary or whatnot. You'll say yes, I suspect.

After a hiatus, I'm sorta back.

Just super tired, super super tired. The BF is gone til the 23rd. I'm all sad and girlie.

And afraid of the dark.

Am I not pathetic? LOL!!

How are y'all?

torq:

Do you NEED clothes?

Now tell me...do you desire them? Or wear them? Or rely on them?

Once you realize that almost NOTHING on earth is based on need, you'll realize exactly what Commander already said. Other than air, food and water...we "need" nothing.

Am I Christian? Yes. Do I personally need my faith? Yes. Does everyone NEED to believe the same thing I do?

No.

Everyone's different.

Okay, without making any direct quotes.

Faith and philosophy are strange bedfellows. They defy each other, yet they make for interesting conversation.

Faith needs no philosophy. If I have faith in Christ, that's all I need. No amount of philosohpy is going to change that if my faith is strong enough. I've come to the decision (not too recently) that arguing my faith is useless. It comes down to this:

If it helps me, if it makes me happy, and hurts no one else? Why should I have to justify it to anyone else, and why should I have to defend it with philosophy? I also don't understand why so many people get angry when others say they're Christian/Muslim/Buddhist/whatever, regardless of if it's a monotheistic or polytheistic belief.

The one philosophical question that I'm always asked is: "How can you believe in something you can't prove? Can you prove to me there's a God?"

My answer: "It gives me comfort. Can you prove to me there's not?"

Politics and philosophy go hand in hand. Political views often stem from one's philosophy on how things SHOULD be.

Man, that's a lot of posts!

So, I'm looking forward to seeing what the shrike does with that sig.

*taps foot patiently*

At 6/4/03 03:54 AM, nitroxide wrote:

At 6/4/03 03:05 AM, mysecondstar wrote:

i'll say this. if someone flames me based on my affiliation you will have just wasted your time.

Flames secondstar::
Nitro realizes he is wasting time::
Continues living life::
Grabs Bong::

*smokes with ya*

House first read 2 pages back the founder of your group started this shit in the first place they couldnt handle it and know they want to bitch abou it
OOO dont flame me...Boo hoo...

I don't condone flaming or taking flames seriously from either side. It's bad form, and it's just silly. And certainly not an adult thing to do. I'm not, however, going to get involved. I just wanted to put my two cents in the pot.

Fucking shit i really dont care what you pricks got to say for that matter its just NG its not life but the PC really takes it to the butt(lack of thick skin).

I agree that there's a lot of people that need to grow a thicker skin, though it's everywhere, not just the PC. I get irritated too easily sometimes, but usually it's with people like...well. A guy that isn't around anymore, thank GOD. He just all around made bad arguments, and thought he was omnipotent, omniscient. All of that. It was annoying. lol

Noone takes it to seriously i hope and its not a gang war its just the net i just find it highly ammusing to get under the PC'ers skin...

I...have to admit that it's fun sometimes to see reactions to blunt honesty. I love the chance to explain simple logic. Makes me feel smart, like, say, watching a stupid horror movie. "DONT GO UPSTAIRS YOU STUPID BITCH...awww...man! If I were being chased, I'd NEVER do that. I'm so much smarter than she is!"

Punches Jim::

He's young, he'll recover.

Kicks Ted::

...at least it wasn't his twig and berries.

Shoots commander::

HEY! NO KILLING ALLOWED!

Invites Nirvana::

*grin* I think you're just a ladies man.

Hugs House::

Awwww! How sweet! NO, you're not getting the bong back.

I have a variety of diffrent feelings towards all pc memebers.

Not you house ilove you....mmmmm...house of dead....mmmm...sorry.

*snickers* You're not sorry at all.

I don't think I've responded to this one yet, and I'm too tired to really get into it.

Basically? If everyone recycled, it would make a HUGE dent. Not everyone recycles, so, it doesn't make a big enough dent to show skeptics that it works.

Now, about cannibal.

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying anymore. I think he's a fake. I think he says things to rile people up, to get attention. He's practically begging people to tell him he's scary/gross/SUCH a rebel, when really...nah. I'm sorry if this sounds callous, but I believe in blunt honesty. I don't think he's really as much of a rebel as he claims to be. He just wants to sound 'scary and cool'.

It isn't cool, bud. Just so you know.

I just peeked in here to see, for the first time, what this thread was about. I know what the DAG is, but I wasn't sure if it was...well..nevermind.

I just want to say this.

A PUBLIC forum is open for anyone and everyone to post in, in any thread. No member of the DAG can keep PC members from posting in their thread, and vice versa.

This is the internet. Yes, I realize there's people behind the text, but when the internet becomes SO much of a reality that it starts to cause 'gang wars' in forums? That's a HUGE sign to get a real life and LIVE it.

I don't know if I'm the only one here old enough to realize that there's a beauty in letting go, but c'mon boys and girls. It doesn't do anyone any good to get so worked up and insult people. Mysecondstar was right. Ultimately? Flames and insults don't mean a thing. It's just...low and shows lack of anything better to say.

Being territorial doesn't work in public forums.

At 6/4/03 02:51 AM, nitroxide wrote:
Or noone can know he really even existed.Even religion is a theory.

Actually, nitro...there's several historical and archeological evidences that proved Jesus was on earth. The problem lies in proving that he's God. That he was resurrected.

That's where faith comes in, and that's exactly why I don't preach to deaf ears. If someone asks me? I'll gladly tell them what they need to hear. But I won't force myself or my faith on someone who would just be pushed farther away by it.

All beliefs are theories. But then there comes the age-old, 'Prove to me there's a God' question.

My answer to that, inevitably, is always, "Prove to me there isn't."

Hmm, I'll jot my thoughts down real quick-like.

I was watching television the other night, and I saw for the first time some of the images that he Hubble telescope has given us. One image was of an extended exposure to one exact spot in space for..eh. A few days? Hours? Something like that...and it came back with a picture that showed what ended up to be ofer 1500 galaxies.

Galaxies. Or solar systems much like our own, I'd wager.

If there's no intelligent life, I'm sure there's potential for it. And I also happen to believe there -is- intelligent life.

that's it for now. I could get into the theology of it, and all that, but nah. I'm too tired.

At 6/2/03 11:09 AM, Freakapotimus wrote: I'd heard a theory that during the "unknown years" from age 12 to age 30 (approximate) Jesus was studying religion and mysticism in other countries like India and Egypt. I'll try to find out if there's an article or website about this, unless someone else also heard this theory?

Actually...it's funny you say that.

That's pretty much what the author of "Lamb" was going on, I believe, are the theories that Jesus roamed about to learn as much as he could. All sorts of other religions and mysticism...and while this book is fiction, it puts a lot of things in one's mind.

For instance, Jesus is (in the book) taught how to multiply grains of rice by some sort of mystical something or other. It's never really explained...but it sure comes in handy when he needed to multiply the loaves and fishes for the sermon on the mount.

That's all theories are, really. Fiction. No on can know for sure what Jesus did back then, whether he travelled or stayed with his mother. Ozcar brought up something interesting...the fact that he'd need to take care of Mary after Joseph died. There's a possibility that Jesus had brothers, too. And cousins. Other family members that history just simply doesn't take care of or mention.

At 5/31/03 10:03 PM, Nirvana13666 wrote: I don't think most religions accept homosexuality and it is contridicting when some followers are okay with it while others groups of the same religion forbid it.

I don't think it's contradictive at all.

I think it just shows how much humans differ from one to another. Religion is just like political parties for example.

How many republicans here can claim they both believe the EXACT same thing?

How many democrats can claim the same?

I'd bet that none can. Personal belief will differ among the people, obviously. That doesn't mean they can't believe in a deity.

Okay, so...I'm going to state the obvious.

Does anyone else see a serial killer in the making?

This guy calls Manson 'Son of Man' and 'my Lord'...good God, thank you for not making this kid my next door neighbor.

You know what I've learned?

When someone is homophobic to the point of being violent, it tends to mean it hits too close to home.

Cannibal. I'm sorry if you're not comfortable enough in your own sexuality to accept other people's sexuality and choices. That makes me sad for you.

That you assume I 'worship Matthew Shepard' is ludicrous. I disagree with all hate crimes, no matter what they're about. Violence motivated by hate is terrible. I have a feeling you're upset because I spoke only of a hate crime against a gay man.

Is this thread about racial discrimination? No.

Is this thread about discrimination againt women? No.

Is this thread about antisemitism? No.

Is this thread about GAY PEOPLE? OMG YESH! IT IS!

Therefore I talk about GAY PEOPLE! When you make a thread about hate crimes againt black people, women, Jews...I'll talk about all of those. But for now, I think I'll be a rebel and stay on topic.

Sheesh.

At 5/31/03 06:39 PM, Commander-K25 wrote: An interesting document is the Gospel of Thomas. It contains many sayings and utterances of Jesus, some quite enigmatic. This book was discovered in 1945 at Naj 'Hammádì at the Jabal al-Tárif mountain. It is not part of the accepted bible and is linked with Gnosticism which is considered heretical by the church.

I believe, actually, that the Gospel of Thomas was the inspiration of the movie "Stigmata".

Of course it's considered heresy. If it wasn't, it would topple the church as the world knows it. In fact, it's very close to a passage found in the bible. Acts 7:8 "the Most High does not dwell in houses made with hands."

I was so moved by the idea in that movie that I memorized what verse they kept repeating: ""The Kingdom of God is inside you and all about you, not in buildings of wood and stone. Split a piece of wood and I am there, lift a stone and you will find me."

That saying, while not 'biblical', helped me build my ideas of doctrines all over the world, and the motivation behind them. I do not need a church, or people of a church, to tell me what I believe.

Yes, of course it's heresy. Vatican City would be a ghost town!

At 5/31/03 04:53 PM, Ozcar wrote: That was because all his life he was at Galilea working with his father and learning the job of a carpenter (Remember that in those days the father teached to the sons the job of the family) and when Jose (or Joe) his adoptive father died, (around when Jesus was 24 years old)he worked as a carpenter...

Very true. :)

Actually, that's a point they covered in the book. Sorta.

See, Biff's dad worked with rocks. He sorta scoffed at Jesus for wanting to work with Joseph, because, and I quote...

"Look around, Josh! Do you SEE many trees? Rocks are where it's at."

Then Biff started working with Jesus and Joseph. LOL

Anyway, what I -really- wanted to say was this. It's likely that Jesus worked as a carpenter until the time was right to proclaim himself as the Messiah. But it's also possible that he travelled, knowing what his mother had told him, that he was to be the saviour of man-kind, learning all the life-lessons he needed to know to be so wise.

Who knows? No one for sure. :)

At 5/31/03 05:22 PM, House_Of_Leaves wrote: But those who believe in Christ...they will no matter what.

Uh...I'm full of typos today.

They will be SAVED no matter what. Not go to hell.

I'm also particularly long-winded. I'm sorry about that. :)

At 5/31/03 04:41 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: You know, I've always wondered why Jesus didn't cast the stone. Or why one of the crowd didn't lob a rock at the cocky SOB that was preaching to them. I know I would have.

I can't claim to know why, but I think it's because He preached love, and wanted people to understand that no sin was greater than the other. Also, I don't think it would have worked well for His cause to go around killing whores. ;)

To clarify, does that mean that sinners go to heaven (murderers, paedophiles) if they are truly sorry for what they have done. Also, does it mean homosexuals go to hell, because they see no wrong in what they have done (weather it is a sin or not.)

Okay, I was wondering when this was going to be asked. This is one of the reasons why so many people hate Christianity. I'll try to explain it in a way that doesn't sound too...I dunno. LOL

No matter what all the doctrines say, you don't get saved on merit badges. Good deeds to NOT get you into heaven. While it's a plus, it's not required.

One of the most profound things I was ever told was: "When you get to heaven, you'll be surprised at who's there...and even more surprised at who isn't." I believe that there is no unforgivable sin. Those who die in their sin, yes, will go to hell. But those who believe in Christ...they will no matter what.

It's hard to comprehend it all, because we're human. -I- don't even comprehend it. But...well. Christ can see into a person's heart. He can tell if they're accepting Him with honesty, or just using Him as an excuse to sin. That doesn't just go for criminals or people that we, as humans, have a hard time forgiving and accepting. It means the pious christians that aren't really christians at all, it means the people that use God as a social status while not really believing.

Now...when it comes to being sorry for what you've done in order to get to heaven...this...is harder to explain. I guess. I'll use myself as an example.

I've committed the 'sin' of homosexuality. I don't think it's wrong to love someone, regardless of gender. I can't be sure that it's a sin or not. So...well. I guess the only way to do this is share with you what I pray often. Obviously it's not as...I dunno...contrived when I pray it, and I'm paraphrasing. It's just the gist. An example.

Here goes nuthin'.

"Lord, thank you for everything you've done for me, the strength and the hope you've given me. I know that I'm not perfect, and more importantly, I know YOU know that. I sometimes forget myself, and do thing that I might not think are wrong, but if they are? And they hurt you? I'm sorry. I'm so sorry, and I'm sorry for everything I'll do in the future. I'll continue to ask forgiveness til the day I see Your face."

Hope that helps. :) No, not trying to convert anyone. I'll keep saying that, just in case I sound evangelical. I'm not trying to. I'm just sayin' what I feel! *grin*

At 5/31/03 04:36 PM, bumcheekycity wrote: House, that is a brilliant post. It didn't inspire conversation, but it made me laugh.

*lmao* Thank you BCC.

I can't tell you how much I laughed when I first read that in the book. My stomach hurt so much...

Jesus saying 'dumbfuck' just got to me...

At 5/31/03 04:20 PM, antiqkk wrote: Lots of stuff that I can't quote entirely.

Well...I can only assume you're being funny, because that made me giggle, and I also want to add that this is a FICTION book we're talking about.

Jesus does, however, get drunk in this book. Water into wine...that kicks his ass.