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At 2/5/06 04:16 PM, seventy-one wrote: I think its quite the opposite, I think it was intended to incite the hatred of muslims all over the world.

But I agree violence is not the answer, protests sure, but when they become violent they're worse.

Yes, indeed, it is really sad that many muslims r reacting the wrong way. Im a muslim n im pissed as well, but i dont attend 2 use violence, cus im smart enough 2 show my anger on other ways. But not only muslims being too hardcore, there reuropean newspapers fucking this shit up mo by republishing the drawings all over, like theyre bullying us. N whole europe is now lookin at all muslims like theyre all dogshits rite now, using violence. Confusing all muslims wit others who use extreme actions 2 respond on the issues. The methods many muslims r now using, is against everything our dear prophet taught us about. *sigh* N everytime i wish 2 comment on these issues, i end up arguing wit assholes, who think of me as a sick extreme bastard witout knowing me. Both sides better put their feets down on the ground!

The whole europe still got their hundreds of years old hatred against muslims, 2 the present day. N now theyre demonstrating it, wit their publishing of the drawings, which later becomes a large scale of republishing. Now we all have 2 be cautious cus of this, even i. Being a muslim in the west aint easy, lifes so hard... it always had. How i kno? Well... ive been through lots of shit myself, n im sure that pretty many, as i, has done the same.

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At 2/1/06 07:51 AM, drah wrote:
nobody is telling you to, sometimes i even think islam makes more sense than christianity, and im thankfull for what it brought with it to europe, but i am not, have never been and will NEVER become a muslim, nor do i wish muslims to stop being muslims.

Why u think that u have 2 become a muslim 2 start respecting our beliefs? Whenever ppl talk about Islam, non-muslims get the picture of extremist n hypocritical ppl who stir up chaos. I get it how it feels when ppl down there r burning flags. I dont actually get it myself. But its our duty, as muslims, 2 fight 4 our right n defend our religion whenever its needed. Violence isnt neccesary, but often comes up. Times of supression n pillaging of our treasures n wealth, it has all been hard 4 muslims, n therefore, theres been a great anger among the middle eastern n other asian ppl. Thats why most of them living there, get easily ticked off n get 2 extreme measures.

some people, the racist, call you less worthy, and yes denmark is a very racist country on some points, i mean for fucks sake, we got a racist party (Dansk Folkeparti), but they get like 10-20% of the votes.
not alot of racists compared to normal people is it?

Maybe not so many racists, but concepts of policy can get racial, n most muslims have 2 go thru all the obstacles, cus its all political. Its not easy being the target. Anger is another problem among many muslims now these days, i think they should read mo befo acting extreme.

i am keeping on with my business, its you who want us to change it.

Funny. We're the one who get bombarded wit sanctions n looked at as terrorists wit evil schemes. Sometimes, muslims get assassinated on the street cus of being suspected as a terrorist. Racists n nazis attack us on the street cus of all the hype that is going on in the medias n they use it 2 get their right 2 beat the crap out of us. Perhaps, the only change that we want is that ppl started 2 look at us as being equally arranged in the society n support us as we struggle 2 keep on wit our faith, in peace. If ppl only knew how important it is 2 have respect 4 each other n do watever they can, 2 become closer friends. But instead, many ppl interfere n tell us that this isnt rite n that isnt rite etc.

lollerskates, bad comment.

there is, and appereantly most of the middle east have a great lack of that.

Im well aware of that thank u. Being under supressive hell can do wonders wit ppl, doesnt it? Still, i disagree wit their methods...

he/she is alive, and freedom of speech is all thats keeping us from becoming zombies who go "OMFG JIHAD CUS HE MADE A BAD DRAWING!" when theres a satire drawing of a prophet.

We got 2 stick 2 our religion n fight back against the offendings, cus we respect n love our faith so much, that we wont take any mockery. Criticism is okay, but insulting someone close 2 us, like our prophet, is no joke. Islam tells us 2 protect our faith at any costs. Thats wat we're doing... wit the exception of the extremists. The other ppl demonstrating wit burned flags r using wrong methods altho.

im not ignorant, you are.

Alrite, tell me wat ive missed?

they are caled racists, and they usualy go "OMG J00 SUCK ASS CUS J00 R MUSLIM"
but as you clearly demonstrated it goes the other way around mr muslim racist.
you heard me, not only whites can be racist.

Excuse me, but wat makes u think that im a racist? Is it that u think that im supporting those ppl who r burning flags? U feel like being treated unfair? Maybe im a little pissed, but thats all. I dont spit out any racist comments, if thats wat u feel like that im doing. Im putting up my point here, n im pissed as well, cus ppl say that "muslims r like this..." n "theyre extremist muslim bastards!", whenever i take a look at forums on the net. Whenever we're politically asskicked. But im NOT a racist. U kno the meaning of this word? A person who treats other ethnic/foreign cultural as less worthy or labelling other ppl wit different belief or culture as lowlifes. Racists dont think that other ppl deserve 2 have benefits etc. But i dont think like that. True, there r many muslims that r racists, obviously cus of lack of knowledge n tolerance. I condemn them too. Im open 4 all beliefs. If i dont understand, i will try 2 understand. Rite now im trying 2 understand why we cant achieve any respect from most of the ppl here who think that we all muslims r extremists.

and posting on the forums in bad writing.

Too bad u dont like my writing style. U better get used 2 it.

TV IS life.

Tch, yeah rite...

now, before you post again mr not-white racist, learn english.

In fact, i am good at english, my oral as well. English class was one of my fav, n i obtained a great influence from it. Who do u think u r, trying 2 correct me n mocking me by telling me 2 learn english. Im well aware of wat im talking about. This doesnt got anything 2 do wit that im a muslim rite? In fact, muslims r highly educated n hardworking ppl. Work it n there will be knowledge 4 women n men. I am NOT a racist thank u.

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we didnt ask you to, if you want to respect Jesus, fine, but that doesnt mean we haveto respect Mohammed, does it?

Fine, u dont care much about our prophet, but we're not telling u 2 convert. Is this some trick question? Am i sensing a little attempt of discrimination rite now?

yes, but Satire is the thing to be taking as the most unserius thing ever.
nobody should do anything but laugh at it.

Ure rite, we should maintain our tolerance, but there r certain things we have 2 react at.

yes it sucks that there isnt a law against mocking religion thats true, but really, as long as it isnt there, laugh at the drawings or say the drawer is a fag, dont boycot all danish wares.
that cartoonist isnt the population of denmark, we are over 5 million thinking it was stupid!

It is hard laughing at the drawings when theyre publically released cus the responsible ones havent been aware that drawings of our prophet is strictly prohibited. Its like making fun of our prophet, wit those caricatures. No matter wat, we wont accept this. N u all kno that this has gone too far. We've been picked on even since from the start, n now this too? We're not gonna lose touch wit our religion by letting disrespect against our faith float all over the world! The boycot came after when the Danish government first chose not 2 do anything wit the conflict, n they kept holding on 2 their excuses about the freedom of speech n stuff. I can c how great disappointment there were in middle east n other muslim countries. It isnt fair 2 drop the whole "punishment" on the whole nation. But the other muslim nations didnt have any other choice but running a political strategy, which is similiar 2 the use of sanctions, against Denmark by boycotting their goods. An xpression of disagreement n distrust.

you mean WITH people mocking your faith?
well thats simple, you make crappy drawings of Jesus in your papers.

Im sry, but i dont find such things very appealing. Making fun of other religions is completely immature 4 me.

as i've said, its YOUR book, meaning non-muslims do not have to follow its rules.
so shut up about christians, jews, and the rest of the world having to follow the laws of Islam, Islam isnt everybody's religion you know.

We're not pushing any big deal on u ppl, relax. We ask 4 some respect 4 our beliefs n a little understanding, so u wont accidentally step on our toes. No, Islam isnt everybodys religion, as u wish, we're not here 2 convert u all! We've just brought wit us our religion, n thats all. We dont want 2 be picked on in the western society, n thats why we want u 2 understand how important our faith is 4 us. Politicans always say that discrimination n racism is not acceptable in the society. Well, could we be friends? If that so, could u do us a small favour? If u want us welcomed, then try having some understanding about wat we preach. NOTE: U DONT HAVE 2 LITERALLY FOLLOW OUR RULES! Just stay passive/neutral 2 our religion n have respect. Thats all. If not, then we need 2 solve the problems as fast as possible, n reasonable.

i wouldnt dream of converting muslims to atheism, and i respect Islam more than the average person does i think, but that doesnt mean we have to "accept your beliefs" and become muslim to be proper people and be able to respect you.

Wat i meant wit accepting our beliefs, is that u accept that this is the way we live, n there will be no changes 2 wat we stand 4. N when we say that we dislike the drawings of our prophet, it seems like the most ppl just turn their faces away. Wheres the harmony? Why cant ppl just show some understanding about that we're feeling very low here? Maybe u could do that n have mo respect by standing up against this kind of discrimination? It is an equal society rite?

as you may have noticed, i correct alot over this in Hammi's writing, but im not doing that no more.

I admit that ive spelled a couple of sentences wrong, n i apoligize 4 that, but i was in a hurry n didnt have time 2 look thru my text n correct any misspelled words or sentences. But another thing: since ure complaining so much about the way i write, ill just have 2 spell it out 4 u. This is my STYLE of writing. Phrases like "woot", "wat", "cus", witout", "kno" etc. Instead of writing "are", i write a simple "r". The same wit "you", i put in instead "u". Duh, isnt that obvious, Mr. Perfect? Ure not so good urself u kno.

fair enough if you want to be a muslim, and act like one, but to respect and to act like muslims are two very different things.

Wat the hell do u mean by that? Its one of our priorities 2 have respect 4 ppl, cus all muslims r told by our book 2 have respect, tolerance, understanding n be wise. But u mustve seen those angry ppl in the muslim countries havent u? Ppl does get angry too if something close 2 their hearts comes under those circumstances where its being picked on, wronged n being made fun of. Many muslims does lose contro tool, n thats not excactly the best thing 2 do. Thats why many of us wish 2 be intergrated in ur society so we can get a better understanding of u n the same from us.

fucking LOL

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At 2/1/06 07:51 AM, drah wrote:

more than most people think i know.
the muslims in my class got REALLY surprised when i said something about it maybe being determined by the kind of muslim you are.
just because im not muslim doesnt mean i know nothing about islam at all.

My post was referring 2 punks who keep repeating themselves. If u kno something, even a little about Islam, thats good. Thats positive, but i wonder if ure willing 2 use ur knowledge 2 not just add fuel 2 the drawings conflict, but also show some understanding n come wit some suggestions. Which uve already have. Im only freaked out cus many r blindly believing everything that is said on television, theres bullshit coming from Bush, there r racist politicans talking about our religion as a some kind of pest n a military conquest etc.

some are, but most are not.
most people that say islam is bad are some idiots who are scared of the muslims.
and thats not the entire population of the western world.

Ure right here, ppl who r scared by hearing some phrase like "islamic law" r lame. Dunno wat theyre so scared of. N its not about the whole nation, no, i havent said that. I think only the Jyllands posten n other affiliated wit the whole chaos should apologize, which they have. But theres something 2 think about: did they give an apology, cus they realized that they insulted muslims worldwide? Or did they just do it cus things got complicated too much n that things started 2 heat up? Did they give an apology just 2 avoid being threatened? Or was it the pressure from the government? Maybe Jyllandsposten wanted 2 continue this just 2 get mo readers so they could make a bunch, n theyre disappointet that they couldnt be able 2 continue wit it. Who knos...

well, jews and christians alike have been stepped on for milenia, making us very tolerant to criticism in the later years, so if i see a drawing of jesus doing the robot, im gonna say "oMfG thats so funny" instead of doing a trade boycot against that nation.

I am tolerant at many occasions, but at the same time i have 2 warn about possible blasphemy, that i dont want that person 2 cross the line too far, even if its not my religion. Cus ive got respect 4 all religions n cultures. Its not like i get pissed if someones lip slips something that is not in Islams comfort :P But i am serious. If theres mockery on purpose, there will be no mercy... i mean in debating :S

i respect islam, but respect and following YOUR rules in YOUR book isnt the same.
since im not muslim, i could be sitting here making a drawing of the prophet, eating pork, and getting drunk at the same time.
all of those are UN-allowed if your muslim, meaning most muslims will go to hell, Allah or not, since they drink.

Ehm, wat do u mean by that respect n Islamic rules isnt the same? Wat an irrelevant conclusion, since respect IS 1 of the priorities in Islamic rules, its all in our book. I dont care wat u do at home, whether ure eating pork or getting drunk, or if ure going 2 try sketching our prophet, go ahead since its not concerning u, BUT im strongly against public releases of the drawings, that gives a different meaning. By telling the whole world about how our prophet could have looked like, is a worldwide mockery of our prophet. We feel insulted of the way the prophet is drawed, no matter how u draw it, cus no one does have any idea about how he looked like! N the drawings can be misused 4 much mo, his prophet status can be changed. We're only supposed 2 worship God, prophet Muhammad was only His messenger, nothing else specific we need 2 kno about.
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At 1/31/06 08:06 PM, BigBlueBalls wrote:
Be more sensitive? Fuck that, I'm in full support of these publications. It's satire, which is supposed to tear everyone and everything apart. I've seen pictures of Jesus being pissed on, mocked or whatever extreme you want to think of. For some reason though, as soon as you touch on the Muslim faith all the radicals go all freakidy fuck over in the mid-east. I think it's time we start mocking their faith more often just to make the point hit hard that we're not going to give up our right to free speech because some retards in the mid-east can't handle it.

Wat the fuck do u kno huh? Just because ur life is shit, it doesnt mean that u have 2 take it out on all the muslims faith. "I think it's time we start mocking their faith... blah blah blah" And just how u think its gonna solve the fucking problems? All we ask of u is just respect our beliefs. Dont be such a paranoid freak, we're not here 2 "occupy some country/ies with our Islamic laws", if thats wat u think. Btw, WE respect Jesus, as one of the most greatest prophets ever been sent by God. We r doing our best 2 defend his characteristic image from insults, believe me. We dont like hearing about Jesus being mocked, pissed on etc. Worshipping God is a serious thing! If u dont have any faith n u think that it gives u the right 2 mock others religion cus it doesnt concern u, then ure just a plain bastard. Many ppl use the freedom of speech etc 2 mock something that they dont like, n governments havent applied a law against mockery 2 beliefs. Even if they say that racism isnt allowed, wat about our beliefs? Ppl still say loads of bullshit about our beliefs. The discrimination problems havent been take care of yet... how can we ever live a life witout ppl mocking our faith? The drawings arent just touching the extremists as u think, When its said in our book that drawings arent allowed, is it that hard 2 fucking tolerate it? Geez, u guys r talking about how retarded we r cus we're touched by this, when its u who r so fucking immature that u cant accept our beliefs. If ure dreaming about changing our religion, just 2 live like u, DREAM ON!

It's free speech and yes it's worth starting an international incident over because they are trying to tell us what to do in our own countries. They want us to enact Islamic law in our own countries for fuck sakes. Already a standard has been set in the past by people too afraid to challenge these fucking assholes. It's time we break that standard.

That is not true. All we want 2 do is 2 follow the requirements 2 be a muslim. U got it all wrong, cus ure fucking braindead. It is true, we have 2 intergrate wit the society n live by the norms, but we're not planning of forsaking our religion. Just because we wish 2 hold on 2 our beliefs, does it makes us less worthy citizen in the society? U keep on wit ur business n we'll keep on wit our beliefs, dont fucking care id u dont. Practice wat u preach. Now leave us the fuck alone.

Actually I agree with Dranigus... apologize for what? They have no reason to apologize for expression their free speech. If I was the paper, I'd keep doing it and pressing the issue even if it started a war. Free speech is worth fighting for and if it takes pissing them off until a crisis starts, then do it. Make those fucking extremist Muslims explode. This is our countries and we have the right to say whatever we damn well please.

Theres something called respect between cultures n beliefs doesnt it? It doesnt mean that u can just stretch the line over, witout thinking about how others feel. U dont have a life, thats why u dont care about anything else than ur use of "freedom of speech". Lack of wisdom n tolerance turn u into an ignorant. Its not just extremist muslims who care about this, u will experience worldwide hate n isolation if ure not wise enough 2 show tolerance n make friends. If theres nothing reasonable uve got 2 say, dont open ur mouth, please. Ive heard this bullshit a thousands of times on forums by ppl who dont have any life, spending their time mocking others. Cus their life sux. Spending their time eating chips n watching loads of shits on TV. The TV is their life.

Nazi motherfuckerz! Wat makes them think that theyre better than other ppl? By the color? The hair? Bitchass nazis. I hate them! Racistass punks, immature fleshripping bastards. Wat is their fucking point, by threatning other jews, threatning 2 burn the Quran, discriminating other cultures etc. Its all pointless, all just because of little Adolfs childish game of wiping off other races of the world. All just because of little Adolfs whining about becoming powerful. We all r humans. Dont forget that.

My favourite nation would be Japan... errr, well... ive always wanted 2 go there. Maybe work there, even though it would be very intense. But i want 2 get 2 kno ppl there, n the culture, im fascinated wit their lifestyle. N not 2 forget how well u will live there wit all those special technology features n stuff :P Mainly, i just want 2 meet the ppl, ive heard that theyre warm individuals :) n many r racists as well cus they dont like foreigners ive heard... :s bah watever, i wanna go there, even though im a Paki, so i can meet my fellow Asians :P

N Canada, ive heard that its a great nation 2 live in. Ull get respect n understanding, less crime n stuff. Ive got some relatives there n theyre enjoying their life there. Wouldnt mind if i went there 4 a tour :)

Someone mentioned Sweden here? Not 2 step on anyones toes, but i think Sweden is kinda narrow place 2 live, in small cities n villages... i got it from a place i went 2, called Stromstad. Bah, i must be bullshittin, Sweden is a nice place 2 live, yeah ;)

At 1/1/06 10:59 AM, Slav_Troll wrote: Denmark has absolute freedom of press. Why the hell make an exception for some muslims?

Excuse me mr racistass fat biatch, but in a flash review, u werent just mocking me, but u made it clear that muslims r not wanted in Europe, "especialy in such a fine country as Norway". If u lived next 2 me, i would whoop ur sorryass 2 the next millenium, n dont u try turning this shit against me mindlessly saying "see, how muslims react and respond with deaththreats..." n all ur fucking bullshit. This says a mouthful about how fucking immature a pussy like u can get. Fucking punkass this is ur policy, this is ur fucking policy, u laidout nazi! When punkass phoneys in Denmark make statements about that theyre against racism n discrimination, u smurf fuckers yet turn ur pussyfaces away n spray loads of bullshit as much as ud like, while keep talking about democracy n justice. Fuck it! There r too many bitches like u coming wit that bullshit. Were not going in 4 that bullshit, cus all that talk is false! It doesnt concern us in ur eyes, n quite enough of ur threads proves that ure nothin but... a coldhearted racist, who got an ideology like a nazi. Ure a part of a sick fucking breed, which should be destroyed, as a respond 4 a statement made where it is said that muslims should be wiped out. NO, racism is the ONE that SHOULD be wiped out. Im in 4 that, but id like 2 adress 2 punks like u: go take ur brain medicines n dont miss it by shovelling it in ur ass, cus ure gonna get someones foot up there if u dont watch ur fucking mouth n show some respect n understanding. Not even Norwegians r so full of shit like cocksuckers in Denmark. Ur whole country is packed up wit loads of dickheads n shitsprayers, like u. Get off that seizure. I cant be tolerant anymo, when there r so many motherfuckers who treat us like dogs. We r humans too.
Now, about those Muhammad(Peace and blessings be upon him) drawings, it is wrong! Even though, there is freedom of speech n press, why cant ppl do some SIMPLE EXCEPTIONS n respect our values? Even though when almost everything is allowed 2 be expressed freely, why not show some understanding about how seriously we preach that command? Is it neccesary 2 make it complicated by not stepping in n showing us support 4 having respect 4 our beloved prophet, n by not doing so, create much hate n racism in the society? Even if its meant as a joke, we take it seriously. Portraying our holy prophets, as Muhammad, Jesus, Moses, Abraham or other prophets, in comics or sketches, is disrespectful. We want 2 keep our prophets on a stable profile, not 2 uplift them as godlike icons. If we did, we would rather worship THEM as gods than God himself. The prophets r extremely important that not even drawings of them r allowed. Thats why we want ppl 2 respect that n stop fucking around n ignorantly putting out pics of our prophets witout caring about wat were feeling about this. Respect this, n ull get respect back, isnt that obvious? Thats how u achieve respect n trust from other cultures n races, rather than Slav_Trolls fat ass showing up in the picture n messing it all up.