At 2/26/02 11:39 PM, Thorfalcon wrote:
Before I begin my ignorant spiel, I feel that I should really thank you, EO...
Thanks man, I really do like this topic :)
Okay, I have a question. If there ARE multiple universes, then what exists in the space between them?
That would be complete nothingness. It seems aparent to me that there has to be complete nothingness. If there wasn't some sort of nothingness, then the universe would be a giant block of solidity. Maybe I'm wrong, and maybe it's all dark matter...
It is interesting to say that there are mutliple universes. I suppose it would be possible that amidst all that vast nothingness that extends beyound our own universe could be another universe that exists irrelevant of ours. It seems that if it is relevant of ours that it would be part of our own universe. But, doesn't the Law of Gravity (whatever it's called, the one that says all objects have a gravitational force toward each other) assume that all particles are impacted by each other, no matter how far away (even though that force may be puny). Just an idea.
Look at the world around us. Everything is in a constant state of growing disarray. This is the law of entropy, and there is no proof against it! We are not evolving creatures! Yes, we've made medical advances that protect us from germs, but we're no higher a society than the Romans or say the Babylonians were. We fall to the same traps that they did... Anyway, that's taking a much to societal perspecive I suppose. Yet I knew that if I brought up entropy as a universal constant, then someone would argue, "But look at human evolution." So, that's where that came from.
Well, I agree with your conclusion, but not your theory to arrive at it. Actually, everything we experience in our life is actually tending away from entropy, but that most certainly does not disprove entropy at all. All systems tend toward entropy. When you look at life on earth getting more complex, you have to step back and look at the big picture. The energy from the sun is fueling our evolution. The entropic part is that there is way more energy lost than is used in running the earth. So, in the big equation, it is still breaking down.
You were right about the societal perspective. We may not be advancing morally, but complex structures don't necessarily have to have morals. Besides, morals are completely relative.
I guess at this point it might make sense to bring up an article I read not too long ago about entropy and the death of a spinning top or coin, and ask what you scientific minds think of it...
in fact, the closer it gets to the end, the faster it spins... its actually GAINING energy before it dies...
This is interesting. It doesn't seem to me that the coin is gaining energy... I think it only gains speed because of gravity and the lack of centrifical force.
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These are a lot of interesting points, but my main question for this topic is getting a little sidetracked. Let me reprase my question so that we may attack it directly.
Is it possible to have infinite time if our current universe ends by freezing (assuming there is only one universe)? When the universe ends, the particles would still exist, only not moving. Still, time would progress endlessly with no movement. The real question arises from the beginning of the universe.
Was there nothingness before this universe? If so, does time really exist if there is nothing?
If there wasn't nothingness, wouldn't whatever existed be another universe, therefore countering the idea that universes end by freezing (because if that one froze it wouldn't have had the capacity to create our current universe)?