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At 9/10/04 07:03 PM, straight1 wrote: i wont be baited.

my question is, what would world politics look like if we were all imortal??

It would suck. Why? Because we would care less of the consequences because "we're all going to die anyway" good sir.
Then again, what if people were more careful because this is the only chance you get at life? Eh... I'm hungry, that's all for now.

At 8/28/04 12:25 PM, antiklaus wrote: As I began to get my faith crushed, I tried to find some scrap of truth to cling to, and the more I read, and the more education I got, the more I realized that the liberals were not the evil people that the conservatives had made them out to be.

I can relate, most people can't. The whole "patriotism" thing is the Conservative's way of making the liberals out to be "evil" or overstepping their boundaries of freedom. The more I read (now that I'm in college) the more I grow distant from the pretty patriotic pictures painted in my mind by elementary and secondary schoolbooks and begin to see the truth that... there's a lot of nasty shit that went down in the past and still goes on today, of course, those of you who don't research, won't know.

That still doesn't imply that Kerry is a bigger idiot than Bush, or that he never makes mistakes. But for good ol' Bushy it's a daily routine to do stupid things. If Bush were a NG artist, he would have been blammed more than those people who submit cheesy outdated Matrix and clock clock stuff.

At 9/9/04 08:57 PM, insane-ias wrote: i have to agree with everyone hes dumb but HAHAHAHA IM A LOLLYPOP!

You're all nuts.

At 9/8/04 12:21 AM, BlueMax wrote:

:: The fact is that the USA is stuck as the world policeman.

Yes and George W. Bush is doing an awesome job as chief of police isn't he? Yep about as good as Rampart... (for those of you whom live in Los Angeles and heard about the Rampart scandal years ago). There's obvious sarcasm in this statement if you don't get the point.

You heard me. If the USA did not take the lead, there will be a war to determine who would the world leader.

Well who knows but as far as I'm concerned, the U.S. is already trying to push it's self away from the rest of the world, look at our lovely and "patriotic" president Bush's plans of "Homeland Security" and "Patriot Act" that really just violate our freedoms as American citizens. In case you don't know, Bush is making the U.S. look very annoying in the eyes of the rest of the world, contrary to being verly loved as it used to be back in the good ol' days when they used to fight with PROOF and a good REASON instead of attacking 3rd world countries and selling them overpriced weapons and military arms that pale in comparisson to the arsenal the U.S. keeps for it's self.

The U.S. sells fighter jets such as the F-16 to central-american countries when the U.S. already has B-22 blackbirds and predator unmanned reconaissance aircraft to beat the other countries at what they just sold them. What kind of deal is that? If the other countries found out how screwed over they are they would be pretty outraged now wouldn't they? There's a bunch of sneaky underhanded shit the U.S. does that would push them away from the rest of the world, I just don't want to make this post THAT long.

And... Topic closes.

At 9/3/04 11:12 PM, BeFell wrote: You're bitching about Wal Mart killing small businesses and exploiting people but you still shop there? Thats just about the most hypocritical thing I have ever seen anybody admit too. If you don't like what they do don's support them, you have no right to speak out against their business practices if you take advantage of them.

It's not that anyone's taking advantage of them, it's that they're taking advantage of everyone. Shut your pro-Bush/Cheney capitalist ass up and sit down and educate yourself for a second. The reason people purchase shit at Wal Mart is because their prices are cheap, ok no problem with that, but the reason their prices are so cheap is because they can fire their employees whenever the hell they see fit, remember they're a non-union corporation, they don't need reason to kick any employee out, nobody has their employee's backs, in other words, their employees are fucked. I for one, do not shop at walmart, never have, never will, fuck them, and fuck you.

I am a capitalist and for globalization all the way, but I'm not a Republican, I'm a democrat, and I'm not a Bush supporter, I'm a Kerry supporter, and I am definately not for exploitation like some corporate entities are. I'm willing to strive so that the company I am in makes great profits but not at the costs of other people's benefits or lives, that would be crossing the line, apparently you don't see the line or care much for it.

At 9/3/04 07:39 AM, ZeroAsALimit wrote: The old playing god argument is silly, as whenever we make decisions or non-decisions, we ARE playing god.

That's called freedom of choice not Deus Ex Homosapien (God outside of man).

At 5/30/04 01:12 PM, JackOfShadow wrote:

As for me I don't believe in god and I think relegion started as a way for primitive people to explain the natural phenomenons around them and turned into a way to control people. After all look at Muhamad, he started as another penilles tailor and ended up the ruler of the arabian tribes. Or why do you think the catholic church declared that all protestants are heretics and should be killed? Because the property of these protestants went to the church!

I don't mean to sound stupid, making a reference to a videogame or anything but... if you've played Xenogears you'll know what I'm talking about. What if the current human perception of God is really just... man-made, and the real God is nothing more than just existance... the ability of things to exist.. to move and to be put into motion.

Thomas Jefferson and many of the U.S.'s forefathers were called "Deists" because they believed God created life and then left us alone to be the masters of our own destinies. The fact is that there are many probable answers out there, no doubt about it. One can even argue that God is the entire universe living, in a flux of expansion and contraction (big bang, big crunch). Let's say the whole universe is just one terrapulse (trillion) that expands as the big bang, and then once it reaches a certain astronomically finite size it contracts, like a massive pulse beyond human comprehension, some would argue that God is that pulse.

Truth be told, the primitive people thought of a God (or gods) to explain the unexplainable (fire, earthquakes, thunder), but that doesn't stop us from still thinking of a greater force that keeps the universe in a perpetual motion or that is behind certain events or coincidences that unfold in our lives.

Whether he exists or not is virtually up to you, but that still should not suggest that you should be a "bad" person just because there is no God to punish you, people can still give you a swift kick in the ass you know?

Yes but memories reside in the neural paths of the mind, and my friend, science will never be that advanced, not to the point where you can copy human memory, how in the world would you explain such a process?

At 9/1/04 01:43 PM, The_Deadly_Spoon wrote:

:: THOSE ARE NOT THE THINGS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO INFLUENCE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS!!!

The thing is... Bush led the country to war... blindly... he even admitted that he didn't have good enough evidence... and we didn't find shit, all we did was kill Saddam's two sons and capture Saddam... where the hell is Bin Laden? Still at large, thanks a lot Bush...

As for Kerry, what happened over in 'nam was none of my business, I wasn't even born at the time, what is my business is that the man WAS ACTUALLY THERE whereas Bush has close to NOTHING on his military record, and if he does have something tangible it was more than likely fabricated by his good ol' friends.

Schwarzenegger is nuts...

My guess is they'd be treated human. As to who would want to be cloned, well there's that one guy.. superman... um... >.< Christopher Reeve. But just because a clone is identical, it is obviously not going to be raised the exact same way as the other and have all the same exact experiences and lessons taught to it that the original person did.

that, my friend was going to be my next post topic for another week :/ you killed it damnit! Lol just kidding, well so long as we're at it, what of cloning and Stem Cell research?

And what of the psychological effects it will have on the clone once he finds out that he had an original person before him?

You're all nuts.

And why? Is it a sin? Should we believe hollywood? Give your thoughts, evidence, facts, and (smart) opinions on cloning.

At 9/2/04 01:58 AM, BarferPro wrote: I think that the current system, although fine with the government built of the people, doesn't work out for the country as well.
Bad people like Bush can get into office and do bad shit to the country. Although, good people like Clinton can get in too, and do good shit.

What kinda good shit? Monica Lewinsky good shit? Or foreign diplomacy and making friends with other countries good shit?

The position of President should be removed, I think.

The system should just work like, represenatives around the country come together and discuss the issues. They vote upon what's best for the people, and the world, and then carry it out. They'd meat every month, at least.

Or, like, have a council... or something...

You mean king of like parliament? All the queen is in England is a figurehead, the power resides in Parliament, that's why people talk about Prime Minister Tony Blair all the time. In a perfect world, people would be able to govern themselves, responsibly and respectfully, but then again, no one is perfect... except for Beyonce she sure comes close to it...

At 9/2/04 12:32 AM, spanishfli wrote: Not to mention a man holding illegally holding a position according the California State Constitution...

Alas Spanishfli muchas gracias se lo agradesco, thanks for agreeing with me, and yes Zeppelin Man ZEPPPELIN ALL THE WAY BABY GO JIMMY PAIGE GO! I mean... Go kerry :)

Is there something wrong with wanting a candidate that does not want war? Rather than want a candidate that decided to go to war regardless of what the people said... this is supposed to be a country of the people, not of Bush, and he doesn't even count as a person... he's like... one quarter person... three quarters jackass.

At 9/2/04 12:46 AM, theburningliberal wrote:

At 9/2/04 12:41 AM, John_Kerry wrote:

At 9/2/04 12:34 AM, theburningliberal wrote: But does anything justify the revocation of our civil liberties?

I would post the Ben Franklin quote, but I think we all know what it is.

You mean the one that is no longer legitimate.

He spoke in a time that was free from islamic terrorism, suicide bombers, chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. The quote is outdated, and I'm sure he would change it if he were alive today.

The problem is, liberals arent smart enough to understand that.

So the words of the founding fathers mean nothing?

That would explain a lot. Like why the Republicans feel the need to distort the intent of the constitution and why they feel the need to violate said intent.

I think you need to go examine your history, TS. Whoops. I mean J_K.

You remember that little slip-up when John Kerry's mic was on and he said "I swear, these republicans are some of the crooked-est, cheating people you will ever meet" he said that for a reason. The fact of the matter is that we can't alter our own "inalienable" rights like freedom of speech, choice and the pursuit of happiness just because of terrorrists, otherwise they've won by scaring us shitless, hence why the whole national security thing seems to be the Republican party's obsession. What about education? What about medical issues? Damnit we need to pay attention to the matters at hand NOW not what COULD happen, you can't live your life thinking "what if."

Well that's a smarted reply than others lol. Careful with them hurricanes, hope it doesn't turn out to be a bitch like Mitch. You're right though, the FBI and CIA have caught "some" suspects attempting terrorist acts, however, where's Bin Laden? Why didn't we do anything about Korea? We could have undergone some political talks with Kim Jong IL (or whatever his name is) and people still keep slipping by airport security like a lubricated condom (and believe me I live by LAX we hear about that shit all the time on the news), the current administration needs to seriously work some bugs out or get the hell out if they can't get it done right (without making us look like a bunch of girly paranoid people in the eyes of the rest of the world).

To tell you the truth TruthSpeak my noob friend... Arnold Shwarzenegger said that? The same man that said he wouldn't take money from schools when elected to be the governor of California? The same man who did just that and has raised college and university tuition prices higher than ever? NEVER have I seen someone turn around on their word so fucking quick, and if Bush loses and Kerry wins, Arnold is gonna be RIGHT THERE kissing ass to Kerry. You're posting a quote made by a man who tries to get a state out of bankruptcy by borrowing more money? WHAT THE FUCK KIND OF IDEA IS THAT?! He's gonna have to pay it back either way, now we're even more in debt, and more fucked-over than when we stated, which is why most of the scholars I speak to didn't even vote for his hooked on phonics ass. Dude don't post shit by Schwarzenegger, you should be ashamed of thinking him and Bush are smart, if Bush hadn't gone to war he wouldn't be getting "stones" thrown at him for it and he wouldn't have to be hearing it from the emotional parents of the soldiers that have died in Iraq. You know how many families Bush has ruined since the fucking Iraq war started? You fucking disgust me, Schwarzenegger disgusts me (as a politician not an actor) and Bush disgusts me as a leader, go back to school and do your homework before trying to sound smart again.

I noticed while accessing the Politics forum that it says "got an opinion? post it here" (somewhere along those lines anyway). Well this seems to be a bit more than an opinion.. more like a fact. I was reading through the main MSN page on Dick Cheney's statements during today's Republican convention, they said: “On the question of America’s role in the world, the differences between Senator Kerry and President Bush are the sharpest, and the stakes for the country are the highest,” Cheney said. “History has shown that a strong and purposeful America is vital to preserving freedom and keeping us safe, yet time and again, Senator Kerry has made the wrong call on national security.” Now we know that all countries have to have some sort of form of defense for all sorts of purposes (tyrants, idiots, Richard Simmons, etc...) but it seems that all Dick Cheney and George W. Bush have had on their minds since that dark day on September 11th is "national security."

Now, does anyone else find it funny that this great country of the U.S. feels like it should protect its self on every front? I've heard people say that this is the price you pay when you're the biggest superpower in the world; wouldn't you think that the way Cheney and Bush manage the national security actually isolates the U.S. from the rest of the world rather than bring it together?

A while back (can't recall the exact date) president Bush signed a little something called the lovely "Patriot Act." Sounds patriotic right? Yeah... patriotism seems to be the republican party's way of making actual GOOD Americans feel that what the current administration is doing is right, just like Toby Keith's song makes it sound that putting a boot up someone's ass should be the American way of doing things, but that carries a possibility that other countries might not exactly find it friendly to get a boot in their ass even if it is "the American way" (Toby Keith). But anyway, the "patriotic" Patriot Act actually allows the government to arrest you, try you in court (of their choice, either federal or military) and sentence you without much tangible (solid) evidence. This would make it seem that the government is doing something a tad bit unconstitutional with that Patriot Act there like... violating your rights to privacy. So, now not only is the government isolating the U.S. from other countries with their patriotic "homeland security" but it also seems to be aiming to put it's own American citizens in a ditch with the Patriot Act.

What are your thoughts on the government's administration of national security? Are they doing a good job, or are they trying too hard to make you feel safe?

It's all really a situation of "He said, she said!" where Kerry and Bush are pointing fingers at each other. whom would you believe in this case? Kerry? Or Bush? A guy who actually served? Or a guy whom never even showed up for service? It's your decision in the end, make it wisely.

we can't ignore the truth, America certainly has a dirty past.. and a very swift way of cleaning up it's dirty past, with "patriotism" but the lecture still remains the same: if we were to have books that teach us every nook and cranny and bad thing in american history (the bad would obviously outweigh the good like in most cases) we would have some history books as obese as the current population... fat with information and heavy with facts. That's why we go to Universities, to learn all the dirty info you never hear about when you're young, to learn about all that shit that makes you want to cry when you salute the flag because you know our nation has been whored out many times before by corrupt idiots who still do it to this day.

At 8/26/04 02:55 PM, Quanze13 wrote: i think prosecute. but really, i think it is unconstitutional, "unwarrented search and seisure?

It is most definately unconstitutional. That is the purpose of the court, to dedide whether it is constitutional or not. According to what I've heard here, the courts have decided that it is not unconstitutional, therefore, what Asscroft is doing is very much unconstitutional, therefore, do something about it and get his ass out of the government. You can email the guy, or call his office, I'm sure he has public access like the president, governors of the states, senators and representatives do, so go out there and tell his ass what he's doing is uncontitutional.

Well, you could try debating with your teacher. Rather than punish you in any academic way(s) for your views, she could actually admire your intelligence especially if you put up a good academic discourse. I had plenty of teachers that were very outspoken when it came to politics. From democrats, to republicans, radicals, to conservatives and passifists every kind of them was outspoken about it, the fun part was debating with them and figuring out their motives behind their reasoning. In the pursuit of finding why that is the "right thing" or the "truth" they may find an alternate truth, or you may find an alternate political view.

if you're punished in any way for your view(s) or ideology(ies) that really just makes you a political prisoner. People have no right to make you a political prisoner.

Awesome, and done in a very timely manner to.