At 6/7/08 08:06 PM, Dante-Son-Of-Sparda wrote:
how about you stay in General and let the adults talk a 14 year old 9th grade student wouldn't understand what we are talking about
Humor is 14 also. Just because I have different beliefs than you doesn't make me not understand something. If all 14 year olds don't know anything, than you should say the same to Humor.
At 6/7/08 08:01 PM, homor wrote:
Okay, first of all, it helps in debate to keep a cool head. Again, we're not on The Factor, so there is no need for slander and ad hominem. Let's discuss this issue rationally and not call each other names
because thats no longer our goal, were trying to fight of the militas.
If we wanted to fight militias and protect civilians we should be in Afghanistan.
IT WAS NEVER ABOUT OIL YOU MIS-INFORMED IDIOT, WE GET ALL THE OIL WE NEED FROM OTHER MUSLIMS COUNTRYS, THE REASON IT COSTS SO MUCH IS BECAUSE ITS RUNNING OUT AND THOSE MUSLIM COUNTRYS ARE BEING DICKS.
I never said that we were responsible for the high oil prices. I'm saying that when it takes up 27% of our budget, maybe we are overstepping the military budget. We could use a trillion dollars a year for more important things like education, health care, and for the benefit of our veterans.
we aren't out to make it a democracy, were out to help the goverment there get on its feet and get rid of the miltitas, and we're suceeding at that.
We're succeeding in building an Iraqi government? There is no government at all! This statement is rather ridiculous and you know this.
Even if we somehow magically created a self-reliant democracy over there, it would be obliterated the moment we left.
we're trying to get them to hhave more security, and we're trying to get rid of their biggest current threats, then we'll leave.
Security? Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, and you know that. If you really wanted security, you'd want us to go to Afghanistan. Iraq is NOT a threat to us.
no, all we're doing is protecting innocent iraqi civialians from radical rulership, and trying to help them learn to protect themselfs, we have to stay until it gets on its feet, and the militas are defeated.
Again, all that we're doing is temporarily putting a halt to a Sunni-Shiite war. The moment we leave, the extreme muslims will resume their war. As Bill Maher put it, "Do you wonder why daddy stops punching mommy in the face when the police are at the door?"
and it never did, the militas aren't terrorists.
You sir, just contradicted yourself.
but they're still a threat, and they could still threaten the people of iraq.
Read everything I've written above.
we are in there, and we just took a city from them, the last one they had control of.
If we had to stop the real terrorist, we'd have more soldiers there. The majority of our military is in Iraq.
PROTECTING AMERICA IS WASTING MONEY, IT'D BE CHEAPER TO JUST LET THEM BLOW SHIT UP.
No, being there is what is making them (as in terrorists) "blow us up". Iraq however, did not have to do with 9/11.
the only people we kill are the people who kill our troops.
Then how do you account for the 150,000+ Iraqi civilian deaths?
yeah, thats is why the civialians sell out where the milita leaders hiding places and betray them because of their cruel and radicial leadership.
Are you denying the ten years before 9/11 that we bombed the living hell out of many Arab countries?
you mean the terrorist who had a hand in killing a bunch of people, the people who are in federal jails and not getting tortured at all, or the leaders who already died?
Your question here reads harder than my own statement. However, let me clarify: We are brutally torturing (water boarding / starvation / sleep deprevation / etc.) in Guantanamo Bay. This is not only against the Geneva Convention, it should sicken you that the most powerful nation in the world would resort to this.
you incredibly stupid fucking idiot.
the terrorists used to be our allie during the cold war, but THEY betrayed US, and threatened attacked US first, we only fought back.
to even SUGGEST something that awful, idiotic, and hatful is just...i'm fucking speechless, its just so fucking awful.
First, tone down the slander. The hundreds of thousands of Arab civilians that we have caused the death to can never equal the amount of "threat" that we felt from these people.