At 12/23/06 12:59 AM, theDeity wrote:

At 12/23/06 12:28 AM, EZ3 wrote: On every pack of cigarettes a large portion of the price is tax. This is the money used for medical treatment for smokers. So the smokers pay for themselves. We should do the same for pot. Problem solved.

I wouldn't say smokers pay for themselves. "Smokers cost Canadian society $15-billion -- $4,000 each -- annually in expenses related to health care, absenteeism, insurance, fires, worker's compensation, disability and premature death. As Dr. Lowe states: "There is a good return-on-investment of smoking-cessation programs for employers and for society."

http://www.sk.lung.ca/content.cfm?edit_realwo rd=xtra23

Oh, and ciggarettes are much worse for your health than marijuana. High taxation on marijuana would not be justified.

Those statistics are irrelevant. $15 billion of the economy, not of tax money, there's a huge difference. As long as cigarettes are taxed enough to pay for the medical care they nessecitate then there is nothing wrong. Also pot is as harmful as cigarettes if smoked in the same amount, so the tax is justified.

At 12/22/06 11:55 PM, theDeity wrote: Agreed. In Canada, the governments pays out the ass for people who rot in hospitals because they decided to start smoking and now have had a stroke/lung cancer etc. Society shouldn't have to pay such a high price for the consequences smokers knew were going to hit them, yet did it anyways.

On every pack of cigarettes a large portion of the price is tax. This is the money used for medical treatment for smokers. So the smokers pay for themselves. We should do the same for pot. Problem solved.

Anarcho-Communism.

-Keep in mind you can have multiple forms of anarchism coexisting, (ei. anarcho-capitlism, anarcho-primitivism, etc.). This makes us free from majority oppression (law we don't agree with).

-Communism is the most helpful to the greatest number of people.

Simple enough.

They had leaderless communism during the spanish civil war, read about it.

And I don't neccessarily think a leader implies social inequality. As long as the leader doesn't indulge in more luxury then the common people, then isn't that class equality?

At 11/18/06 11:36 AM, Elfer wrote: blah blah blah blah

I don't mean that all athiests gamble, do drugs, have abortions, etc.

What I mean is their rights to do these things have been taken away by religious authorities.

Sorry for the confusion.

On the arguement about what could marching do for public opinion, i'd say look at the effect of gay marches.

Is it neccessary yet? (Or maybe a secular pride march)

Examples of religious opressions:
-All drug laws
-God appearing on money, in the court, etc.
-Public opinion suggesting that athiests are the least trusted minority
-The risk of world destruction from religious nuts
-Gambling laws
-Abortion
-Stem Cell Research (and all advances in medical technology that have been thwarted by religion)
-Political Lobbying of Religious Groups

...and probably hundreds more

Finally. I think USA owes that country money.

Communism wins.

The government gives you your rights, allows you to own property, and allows you to live here.

This sentence is absurd.

You cannot be given any more rights then those you have been given naturally. All Governments reduce rights, by definition.

Naturally (in a world without gov.) noone owns anything (or everyone owns everything, same thing). Government tells you what you can't use (what you don't own). Property is theft.

By allowing you to live here, you are given no more then in a world with no government.

In truth, Government takes rights, takes your property, and can stop you from living here.

his fanatic anti-communism could have destroyed the world.

plus he's a fucking homophobe.

too bad he wasn't assasinated.

This topic is absurd. Athiesm is the most believable, because it requires no believe.

The obvious solution is to legalize and tax all drugs. More freedom and better economy. You'd have to be an idiot to disagree.

[ Intelligent people of all races can figure out that the more "diverse" a state is, the less efficiently it operates. ]

I hate you.

At 4/17/06 08:21 PM, losiglow wrote:

:and probably won't ever be practiced again in the near future unless God tells us to which is unlikely as I can tell.

Thats why everyone hates mormons. Fucking mormons.

It makes no difference what happens. US military has been the same for decades. His replacement will be the same as him, a psycho.

Anarcho-communism worked in Spain 1936. It just a matter of time before that happens again.

How about...

We let everyone freely go to any country of the world no matter what language they speak or job skills they have.

Did ever occur to anyone that immigration laws are made to force poor people in foreign countries to stay in the shit hole that is their life.

Can't you see the insanity in asking a starving third world child who can barely afford to eat, to learn english and get job skillssob he/she can move to America.

In the words of Todd from Propagandhi:

Alot of what I know is from recent immigrants to Canada. Some people have to stay and fight for survival in the country they live in while others have to leave to survive. Corporations cross international borders all the time in search of people to exploit for profit and no one stops them. They call it globalization. On the other hand, the victims of corporate domination are told that they can't cross borders in search of better lives, and are forced to stay and deal with the social, economic and environmental messes the companies leave behind when they inevitably move their operations to places with even more "favourable business climates” (re: lower wages, lax environmental laws, tax breaks). Looks like capitalism and human-rights don't mix.

As long as we support afganistan or haiti it makes no difference. We provide relief for american soilders in those two countries so they can go fight in iraq.

We should have dropped all support for USA military as soon as they invaded iraq.

Now we are part of iraq. Regardless of weather our troops are physically there or not.

source:

http://www.shac.net/HLS/useless.html

Over 12,000 animals died in testing labs for splenda the sugar replacement.

Splenda was made so we could look more attractive by redusing fat and calories.

So anyone want to stop buying this shit with me. Boycott!

Why does this keep repeating?

Religion is false. All of them. If you believe them literally then you're wrong.

scattered responses:

Fast food can live. Serve veggie burgers and other fake meats.

Morality isn't defined by religion always. Its wrong because the chicken is innocent.

Killing letuce and killing a chicken is different because a chicken has a mind and lettuce does not.

The Bible is stupid. It has killed more PEOPLE then any other book.

Domestic animals will live better in the wild then in slaughter houses.

A vegan world would need the same number of food jobs.

Cracker and N!gger aren't eqivalent.

Free speech exists for all. You are allowed to be a racist.

I'm not arguing that you should ALL BE VEGANS. I'm just saying killing chickens is wrong and you know it, even if its for food.

And if the meat industry died, then other food industries would expand and more jobs would be created. So veganism doesn't take away jobs.

The thing is, your ignorance to the struggle of black people is actually the reason this kind of show needs to exist.

N!gger is a word use to dehumanize black people as slaves or lesser people.

Cracker is a word for a racist ignorant white person.

Thats why.

by "this forum", i meant the politics forum.

People don't need to eat chickens, you moron.

You can live off a vegan diet.

If the nazis ate the jews, that wouldn't make it right now would it?
Never talk again.

I don't know how anyone else feels, but everytime I come to this forum I look at the topics and arguements, die a little inside, and then leave saying nothing. Anyone else feel this way? That this place is filled with fucking idiots?

This forum takes some portion of newground's resources, and since it's fucking useless I would like to see it closed.

Obviously this won't happen, however I was just wandering if anyone else felt this way?
So reply if you do.

If you don't please don't reply, this topic isn't meant as a debate, just a way to see if people feel this way.

Reagan.

At 2/7/06 06:13 PM, Amata wrote: No, in some respects people need religion. It keeps them going, makes them feel better to know some Entity is there, watching out for them,

And thats the whole point of it. To keep them going... to keep them producing, working, and making money. Its the hope of heaven that makes living a worthless life possible. I imagine that if religion dissappeared, millions of people would react to their misery and take back economic equality.

I asked for good remarks only please. So befor someone gose and replys negitivaly i well interviean and say, They are saying good things, If people like America better then that is there choice same as Canada. I think we should all say the good here cause there are to many "HATE" topics about us (Canada+USA)

this is a fucking politics board. you are suppose to express opinions. Not fucking make threads and expect only responses that agree with you. The fucking morons on this board need to hear that their country is shit. I'll also be the first to admit that canadas forreign policy is shit, and that our new PM is an ass.