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Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 27th, 2014 in General

I would strongly urge all the folks claiming that we shouldn't consider this an act of gendered violence because of one forum post the guy made and the fact that he ended up killing more men than women to please read this blog piece, which I think does a good job of illustrating why that argument is misguided and inaccurate, and hopefully helps to clarify some of the points I've tried to make in this thread.

@Zachary, I hope that in reading that piece you realize that it's more than a little bit silly of you to be accusing me of cherry-picking details here. The broad, constant overriding message in his online activities, his explicitly stated motivations, and even his intended actions are clearly, and overwhelmingly, primarily misogynist in nature. Meanwhile, you've brought up a single forum post and a single detail about his actions, both devoid of context (when putting them in their proper context - as the linked article does - plainly illustrates that his problems with other men were just a subordinate piece of his problems with women), and concluded from that alone that this can't be considered an act of violence against women. I'm sorry, but that's cherry-picking.

At 5/27/14 07:37 AM, MrPercie wrote: but it feels almost as if you're taking quite a massive topic about society and parting the blame entirely on this group.

I've specifically placed the group within that larger context and specifically said I'm not trying to assign blame. Multiple times. I don't know what else to tell you.

They are part of the problem but they're just part of an even bigger problem thats been there a while.

This is literally the entire point I have explicitly been making in every single one of my posts in this thread.

Well, if were REALLY going to have this discussion, go ahead, I just dislike the thought that all this can be solved if we just delete the MRA forums and then all misogyny in the world just disappears, its still there, just deleting some blogs and forums won't solve the issue.

Again, nobody said that just getting rid of the MRAs would immediately solve all cultural misogyny, that's obviously fucking absurd. Yes, changing deep-seated cultural attitudes is obviously a long, complex, messy, and difficult process. But weeding out the most obviously toxic products of those attitudes is a necessary part of that process, and a comparatively easy one at that. I'm not saying we should have manosphere sites deleted or anything like that, just that we need to stop legitimizing them with bullshit nebulous phrases like "not all" and "I'm sure there's" and "but some of their points are" that have only proven to be baseless and empty.

We should be regarding "manospherians" the same way we regard white supremacists and neo-Nazis and WBC members. They are hate groups, plain and simple, and like those other hate groups they too ought to be publicly shamed into irrelevancy wherever they rear their heads.

That'd be a good start I think.

At 5/27/14 03:46 PM, kazumazkan wrote: no matter what you do criminals will ways get guns rather from stealing or the black market doesn't matter what laws are implemented they would only hurt law abiding citizens

I have a hard time believing that considering our gun-related murder rate is around 20 times higher than the average for other developed countries, most of which have far stricter gun laws than we do.

i mean sure they need have stricter rules but out right banning guns is not going to do anything if thats what you're trying to say.

That is obviously not what I'm trying to say (I mean, honestly that's what I would personally prefer, but I know it's not realistic and I'm not going to argue for it). Just like you said, I just want there to be stricter rules.

Response to: my book of eat puddin Posted May 27th, 2014 in Writing

Dude this is incredible. Gotta love some nicely prepared stripy desk meat.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 26th, 2014 in General

At 5/26/14 11:47 PM, 24901miles wrote: Where is the common sense?

Ugh, yeah. Amid all the other stuff let's not forget that this is also yet another example of our country's atrocious gun laws at work. This is getting insane.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 26th, 2014 in General

At 5/26/14 10:51 PM, Zachary wrote: I have a question, why would you say this is an instance of a man enacting violence against women?

Because of the killer's explicitly stated motivation.

Also because of the comments of countless women in the past couple days talking about how these events affected them and reflected a lot of the fears they have and the shit they have to deal with. In reading about all this did you find yourself fearing for your own safety, the way lots of women have described? I know I didn't. Doesn't that difference in response probably mean something?

but it seems to me from what I have heard about him that he actually hated men for having women (saying things like he wish he could wipe out every other male so women have no choice but to be with him)

Yeah, I read about that one post too. Honestly I'm not really interested in dissecting the minutiae of the rants of an idiot murderer. I think the broader attitudes and messages are quite clear.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 26th, 2014 in General

At 5/26/14 07:48 AM, MrPercie wrote: Im only going on your word here, but you seem convinced he went on those kinds of sites.

You don't have to go on my word, it's all over the news reports and blog posts and he wrote about it himself in his manifesto. Not to mention that a lot of the shit he said in his rants was pretty much typical "manosphere" boilerplate.

I don't care about MRA, its just another dumb group to me, but you feel as if their partly responsible for this for perpetuating this mindset.

Lemme put it this way: our entire culture has some deeply fucked-up attitudes towards sex, in which we teach boys that their worth as men is determined by their ability to attain sex from girls at any cost and as much as possible, an environment in which men often develop a perceived sense of entitlement to sex and in which women are objectified and otherized. "Manosphere"-types (of which MRAs are a major component) are an extreme outgrowth of that attitude, where that otherization of women turns into resentment and hatred. People like this killer are an extreme outgrowth of that extreme outgrowth, where that hatred boils over into actual violence.

Again, I'd encourage you all to read Chapter 8 of this Film Crit Hulk piece from last year. He's much better at explaining all this stuff than I am.

Anyway, the reason why I keep harping on this point, @NeonSpider, is because it's been very frustrating to see the media (and many in this thread) largely frame this as the work of a lone aberrant psychopath acting outside our values with no discernible logic to his behavior, when in reality it's quite the opposite: horrible shit like this is the inevitable logical conclusion of our present values.

This is hardly the first instance of a man enacting violence against women over sex. Look at what happened elsewhere in California just hours after the shooting. Or about a month ago when a Connecticut boy stabbed a girl to death after she refused his prom invitation. Or how nearly 1 out of every 5 American women in this survey report having been the victim of rape or attempted rape, or how 1 out of every 3 women worldwide are the victims of physical or sexual violence.

This kind of behavior isn't aberrant, it's downright commonplace. And I don't think you can separate the implications of the killer's actions from those of all these rape/DV stats because they all so clearly stem from the same attitudes. And again, in their reactions to these events women have clearly identified this connection as well. So obviously within this event there's something more fundamental that is deeply, deeply wrong here, a fact that women are acutely aware of and trying to speak out about all over Twitter and the blogosphere and forums like this one and in real fucking life, but that men have largely failed to recognize because we refuse to listen.

I wan't to know how true that is, whether this guy really was converted into believing into that stuff which in turn would cause this crime or whether were just using this as an excuse to hate a group we dislike.

I'm not saying he was "converted" or trying to assign blame for what happened or anything stupid like that. Obviously he was already deeply troubled and starting to hold his misogynist views long before he ever joined those groups. But in joining them he found those views validated and bolstered. Had he found a place that could actually help him rather than one that simply fed his growing resentments, then maybe all those people would still be alive. That's all.

My point is that our present cultural attitude towards sex is not only misguided and sexist in nature but outright dangerous for women, that the "manosphere" groups to which this killer belonged are emblematic of that culture, and that horrible events like this are not going to stop until we're willing to seriously reevaluate and change these things. If this isn't the proper time and place to talk about it then I don't know what is.

At 5/26/14 06:20 PM, Manly-Chicken wrote: So, that means if a mentally unstable feminist goes around and massacres men because she believes all men are sexist assholes, women's rights are therefore evil?

It's not comparable. I already addressed this in my response to Spooky a few pages back and the Prospect piece I linked to. Hatred, resentment, and violent sentiments towards women make up the primary activity of even the most mainstream and popular MRA spaces. You can't say the same of feminism at all.

There are certainly societal issues that uniquely effect men, but they're actually one and the same with feminist issues. The problems that effect men are caused by the same patriarchal system that causes problems for women (for example: the disproportionate treatment of men and women in divorce settlements and child custody hearings - something MRAs bring up a lot - has nothing to do with feminism and everything to do with traditional patriarchal notions that only women can care for children and only men can be financial providers). And as you can see mentioned in the Prospect article, there are actually plenty of feminist organizations devoted to helping resolve those problems (like support networks for male victims of rape).

The "men's rights movement," on the other hand, does nothing to resolve these issues, they just exploit them in order to antagonize women. You guys keep talking about some theoretical reasonable mainstream of the men's rights movement that these extreme outliers divert from, but it's nowhere to be found.

Response to: Cinema Club Posted May 26th, 2014 in Clubs & Crews

@Vnzi go ahead and pick this week's film! Remember: different genre, decade, and country from last week's, tell us a little bit about the film, @ mention everyone, yada yada yada.

I don't think I've had to use the Randomzier in like a month, if not longer. Ruh-roh.

Response to: Shooting in Myrtle Beach. 3 dead. Posted May 26th, 2014 in General

At 5/26/14 08:38 AM, Satan wrote: This sort of shit hardly ever happens outside of America it seems.

Other countries have much stricter gun laws.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 26th, 2014 in General

At 5/25/14 08:51 PM, NeonSpider wrote: Why are we even discussing men's rights activists in a thread that's about some crazy guy who killed a bunch of people? What does that have to do with men's rights? I don't think any sane person would argue he had any right to do what he did.

Because this was not "some crazy guy." It was a guy who was explicitly motivated by hatred of women, who was actively and publicly involved in "manosphere" sites long before he committed this crime, who in his manifesto used language and expressed attitudes virtually indistinguishable from those frequently used and expressed by people within those groups, whose beliefs and attitudes never raised any serious red flags before now because our culture more or less accepts the root of that behavior as normal.

I am hardly the first person to suggest that we ought to look at what happened primarily as an act of gendered violence. Again, I'll link to #YesAllWomen, which is still going strong on Twitter. Obviously these events have struck a particular chord with women. Why do you suppose that is? Should we just ignore that? Dismiss all these countless women's concerns as irrelevant? Shrug and say it was all just "some crazy guy?" Because it seems to me that what happened is clearly a particularly extreme illustration of the fears women have to deal with all the goddamn time, and of the poisonous cultural attitudes about sex that make those fears necessary.

I think Chapter 8 of this Film Crit Hulk article from last year does an excellent job of explaining what I'm trying to get at here, a far better job than I could ever do (Chapter 8 is the most relevant section here but the entire thing is an important, eye-opening read). Please read it.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

At 5/25/14 06:52 PM, Spooky wrote: Believe me, I'm not an advocate of MRA groups. I recognise the issues they identify as legitimate, but unfortunately there are a good amount of misogynists within the movement and they tend to direct a lot of hate towards feminists as the 'enemy', rather than actually being activists for social equality.

Nope, this is not a moderate mainstream vs. radical fringe thing. The sites mentioned in the article are among the most popular and mainstream MRA spaces. If that's what those places are like, then what do you think you'd find on the fringes of the movement? Where can I find these allegedly good and reasonable MRAs who are apparently being given a bad name? For all intents and purposes it's the movement itself that's misogynist.

And it doesn't matter how legitimate the issues they identify are because these groups don't actually do anything to resolve those issues, they just mention them in a cursory fashion to help breed hostility against women. In fact the article mentions several other organizations (often feminist ones) that either specifically exist to deal with these issues or specifically include helping male victims in the work they do. So the entire concept of a "men's rights movement" is wholly unnecessary at best, outright destructive as it's been implemented.

I think it is a shame and I'm sure other reasonable people within the movement feel it is a shame as well.

I've yet to encounter any instance of a single self-described MRA expressing such a thought, let alone enough organized people to make the sort of quorum of "reasonable" MRAs you're talking about.

Honestly I don't get why you're wasting your time and energy defending these people. 7 innocent people are now dead, and it's at least in some part because a desperate, lonely, disturbed person turned to these sites for support instead of somebody else who could actually help him.

The deeply fucked-up culture that clearly played a major role in shaping that asshole's worldview is never going to change if we keep lending undue legitimacy to its most extreme and vocal proponents.

Response to: Foods You Hate That People Like Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

At 5/25/14 05:50 PM, SCTE3 wrote: Almost forgot how little I like lasagna. Something about it just doesn't taste good to me.

Do you also love Mondays?

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

At 5/25/14 06:12 PM, Spooky wrote: Careful now. Unless he explicitly identified himself as one somewhere, that would be just speculation.

If I'm not mistaken he was an active member of MRA forums and subscribed to several MRA YouTube channels. Even then, I guess you're right that a more generalized term like "misogynist" would probably be more appropriate, I just have very little sympathy for those people.

It also gives the impression that the MRA community is filled with mentally unstable potential murderers. While you may not be a fan of them, they're not nearly that bad.

This article from last year is a good primer on how yes, yes they are "nearly that bad."

Response to: Foods You Hate That People Like Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

Most condiments like ketchup and mustard, really.

Also, I wouldn't say I hate them but I'm way too neurotic about getting my hands dirty to ever eat wings or ribs.

At 5/25/14 04:40 PM, exudaz wrote: Red wine mixed with doctor pepper tastes like heaven.

That is beyond fucking disgusting.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

At 5/25/14 01:14 AM, VigorousJammer wrote: Ugh... As somebody who had much experience in the past with expressing these misguided notions (mostly back during my high school days), I definitely share your views on how fucked up it can be.
The worst part is, it wasn't even really my own opinion, it's something I picked up from my peers, from the media, from movies, shows, everything. I ended up getting introduced to these opinions and it was reinforced throughout my entire teenage life.

Yup. These fucked-up ideas about sex are so deeply entrenched in our culture that it's essentially impossible to avoid them. All young men grow up surrounded by and pressured into these terrible values and I'm sure we all have our own now-mortifying experiences of unconsciously reinforcing them as adolescents (I know I do). The only thing we can do now is try to make sure other guys grow out of it the same way we did.

The good part is, at least I was able to eventually grow out of it and re-assess my opinion on everything using logic instead of emotion.

Cool, though at the same time I might be a little wary of phrasing it quite like that because I see so many mouth-breathing dweebs on the Internet who try to use that language of "logic instead of emotion" to justify their shitty views, discrediting the real experiences women are trying to tell them about and insisting that they'll only believe misogyny in our culture is real if they see some impossible standard of "statistical proof." Blech.

The problem is most people tend not to do this, and tend to take everything at face value and inadvertently end up becoming slaves to what they see on their little rectangular picture box.

This is why it's so important to call these people out on their bullshit at every turn. I truly believe that most people are fundamentally good and can change their behavior once they're really made aware of how destructive it is. I've seen it happen lots of times. And the more we do it the better each successive generation of men will be.

At 5/25/14 09:29 AM, Vnzi wrote: Yeah, don't care what you said about the radical feminists, but at least understand what this means for a lot of women. This man killed people because women didn't have sex with him, so some women are now terrified of even going out anymore. I'm a bit scared, since one of my (soon to be ex) co-workers acted just like him one day, and I'm paranoid as shit over that.

Exactly. Ugh, that's horrible. And obviously you're far from the only one.

@GrizzlyOne I think that link is required reading for you.

At 5/25/14 11:01 AM, Jester wrote: I chose the title carefully; I felt like his motives to do what he did were vile and depraved enough that it's only fair he be remembered for them explicitly. Some would call me immature and they'd be correct.

I get what you were going for, but at the same time I worry that your thread title and OP might just be reinforcing the killer's worldview, suggesting that his virginity was the all-important defining thing about him and that it was somehow his lack of sex that caused him to do what he did, not his poisonous attitudes.

What about "MRA Shoots..." or "Misogynist Shoots..."? Not only would that have been more productive and accurate, but it also would have been an even better "fuck you" to the killer and people like him because instead of legitimizing his worldview by lending it the same level of importance, you'd be exposing it for the hateful, pathetic bullshit it really is. If that makes sense.

Too late now of course, so whatever, but just something to think about.

At 5/25/14 12:36 PM, assassin1337 wrote: I may be exaggerating, but is there this obsession of infamy in American high schoolers and college students?

Among people like these shooters at least, yes, and the media do not help matters by constantly obsessing over the killers, plastering their names and faces everywhere, giving airtime to their garbled and misguided manifestos, and morbidly tallying up and comparing their kill counts.

This Charlie Brooker segment from 2009 perfectly encapsulates the problem, but in the mad dash for sensationalist ratings bonanzas the media continue to utterly fail to heed its clear warnings.

Response to: Virgin shoots up Santa Barbara Posted May 25th, 2014 in General

Still too sad/furious about the whole thing to coherently go into detail right now, but in short:

Yes, the guy was clearly a singular lunatic, but the views he expressed are obviously, deeply informed by misogynist notions of entitlement to sex that are incredibly prevalent in and constantly abetted or even encouraged by our culture.

Even long before he posted that video he was regularly expressing similar sentiments in posts elsewhere on the Internet, but nobody raised an eyebrow then because there are guys spreading shit like that all the goddamn time on the Internet and we just accept it like it's perfectly normal, legitimate behavior. When women express their fears about the harassment and threats and hostility they're subjected to online, shit like this is precisely what they're afraid of, and more often than not we do nothing but ignore or trivialize their concerns.

Even on this site I constantly see posts that aren't too far removed from the worldview expressed by this killer, people just spewing all sorts of bile and resentment towards women, and all sorts of nasty attitudes about masculinity and self-worth being defined by the perceived need to attain sex from women (attitudes that are unfortunately being reflected in this very thread). These attitudes aren't just misguided or pathetic, they're dangerous, every bit as dangerous as any other toxic ideology.

The difference between this guy and any other MRA/"nice guy"/"friendzone" dickbag is one of degree, not of kind. If we want to help prevent horrible shit like this from happening in the future, then we need to stop allowing bullshit attitudes like these to propagate and legitimize themselves so easily.

At 5/24/14 09:40 PM, Vnzi wrote: I mean, look at the comments on the youtube video, it smells like axe and men's rights.

Jesus fucking christ. See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

Response to: Cinema Club Posted May 24th, 2014 in Clubs & Crews

Watched The Man From Nowhere earlier tonight. The best adjective I can use to describe it is "efficient," but I really do mean that as a compliment. The motivations and stakes of the conflict are simple, neatly established, and remain clear and present throughout; we even get a constant little visual reminder through the protagonist's adorably painted nail. I also appreciated the film's initial patience, both in the establishment of those stakes (the film spends a pretty decent chunk of time just fleshing out the protagonist and the girl's relationship before the plot really gets rolling) and in the slow-burn reveal of the protagonist's badass action hero bonafides, at first showing us only the aftermath of a fight and then glimpses through security camera footage, which makes it all the more satisfying when the shit finally hits the fan.

Unfortunately, though, said shit hitting the fan is marred by spotty execution. As @Vnzi also pointed out, the film's action sequences are often cleverly devised and well-choreographed, but poorly shot, with Lee far too often resorting to hyperactive cutting between '00s Hollywood-style shaky handheld close-ups. Good action scenes require solidly established geography and a clear chain of cause and effect (some longer takes and wider shots can often be immensely helpful in this regard). These sequences may well have had that in the planning stages, but it's all obscured by the chaotic camerawork. I mean, don't get me wrong, Lee's work here isn't anywhere near as bad as someone like Michael Bay's, and there are a handful of moments and scenes that actually work quite well (the great tracking shot of that leap out the window for one...), but overall it's just really inconsistent.

I also could have done without all the melodramatics the film frequently devolves into. The movie is at its best during more down-to-earth moments like the earlier character work, or when it embraces its inherent silliness like the scene with the wheelchair guy. Not so much when it's stumbling for gravitas that plainly just isn't there.

So yeah, not a bad film by any means but I have to say this is the first MotW pick that hasn't really clicked with me at all.

At 5/23/14 04:28 PM, CiviLies wrote: So I was wondering, what are some foreign movies (preferably on Netflix) that you'd recommend to me?

Lots! First of all our Movie of the Week discussions here can be a pretty great way to check out some great foreign films you might not have sought out otherwise, since one of the guidelines is that each pick should be from a different country than the last one. Half of our MotW picks so far have been from countries other than the US and UK and they're all worth checking out (I made a Letterboxd list keeping track of all the films we've picked so far). Of those The 400 Blows and Wings of Desire are all-time classics and personal favorites of mine, and they're both still available for free streaming on Hulu for the next couple days.

As far as Asian action movies go I'm not really well-versed but I did really like the Indonesian martial arts film The Raid and its recent sequel.

I heard Iran and Nigeria have produced booming movie industries, lately, so I'm interested in knowing if there are any movies from these countries in particular that any of you liked!

I dunno about Nigeria, but as for Iran earlier this month I watched Abbas Kiarostami's Close-Up for the first time and I was totally blown away by it. A head-spinning mixture of reality and fiction in a deceptively spare, low-key package.

There's really too much other great stuff to choose right now. I'll try to post a small list sometime tomorrow, but for now I'll just say definitely check out the French director Leos Carax's batshit masterpiece Holy Motors, which is available on Netflix streaming. Its genre is literally "all of them." It's got an all-accordion blues jam musical interlude, people in full-body motion-capture suits simulating sex, a mobster assassinating and impersonating himself, and a naked, feral sewer-dweller munching on the hair of a burqa-wearing Eva Mendes. I could not make this stuff up if I tried.

At 5/23/14 05:53 PM, TheMaster wrote: Probably the best film of the decade so far.

Wait but you spelled "Holy Motors" wrong.

Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives, a gloriously insane film from Thailand that tackles grand, supernatural concepts while remaining remarkably human and touching. Plays with the medium itself by changing cinematic styles from reel to reel, but crucially never loses sight of it's human element which so many more experimental films do.

I really have to watch this soon, it seems like just my kind of thing. Would definitely make for a great future MotW.

Aguirre, The Wrath of God is a German film about a bunch of conquistadors searching for El Dorado and going insane, and it's the best film ever made.

Yup pretty much.

At 5/23/14 06:34 PM, SG3 wrote: Edgar Wright has been kicked off the Ant-Man movie and I'm totally crushed.

Yeah I made a thread about it on General earlier today. Just fucking awful, a real slug to the gut. That was one of my most highly anticipated movies for years and now who gives a shit. Not to mention how much of Wright's valuable time was wasted preparing for it all those years that could have been spent on other projects. Ugh.

Response to: Edgar Wright Not Directing Ant-man Posted May 23rd, 2014 in General

At 5/23/14 05:01 PM, SithCorduroy wrote: What they did with the Mandarin wasn't interesting or unique?

Sure, for an otherwise bog-standard Hollywood blockbuster.

But Wright is legitimately one of the best and most idiosyncratic talents in modern filmmaking. It would have been a whole different ballgame.

Edgar Wright Not Directing Ant-man Posted May 23rd, 2014 in General

Marvel announced today that the Cornetto trilogy and Scott Pilgrim director will no longer be directing the upcoming Ant-Man movie to which he'd been attached since 2006, citing "differences in their vision of the film."

Well, fuck, that's incredibly disappointing news. Great job Marvel, god forbid you ever actually do something interesting or unique for once.

Response to: Best season of The Simpsons Posted May 23rd, 2014 in General

At 5/23/14 02:36 AM, NuScarab wrote: I usually maintain that my favourite all-time episode is 'Homer Goes to College'

Your bra bomb better work, Nerdlinger!

Response to: How do I deal with bitches? Posted May 23rd, 2014 in General

At 5/22/14 08:47 PM, CresIsis wrote: A lot of kids do what they do in a effort to create an effect, and the bigger the effect the create the better they feel about themselves and their ability to create effects. If you sit there and ignore them, which should be easy as long as they don't physically harm you, you're breaking down their ability to create an effect on you, which in turn will invalidate their overall ability to create effects, and will most likely cause them to find another target who is more susceptible to their bullying.

This. Though from personal experience it's worth stressing the fact that you have to really look like you don't care or you run the risk of potentially making things even worse. Don't dwell or stew over what they're saying, don't even try to be passive-aggressive. Be straight-up passive-passive. You don't have to pretend they're not there or whatever but you do have to ultimately just shrug and move on with your life.

Or alternately you could just be like me at (I assume) your age and buffer yourself against any potential bullying through constant, vocal self-deprecation, though maybe that doesn't end up being the healthiest attitude to have....

At 5/22/14 08:35 PM, ManDeep wrote: Get ripped.

While listening to DMX.

Response to: Senpai... Posted May 22nd, 2014 in General

I know how you feel man...

Response to: Books you have but never Read.. Posted May 22nd, 2014 in General

I've never bought a book just to fill out a shelf with no intention of actually reading it, but I do have a couple of things I bought but haven't read yet, chief among them being Michael Chabon's Telegraph Avenue, William Goldman's Adventures In the Screen Trade, and Stephen King's On Writing.

I also have some shit on my Kindle I haven't gotten around to yet, like Chabon's Gentlemen of the Road and Lawrence Wright's book about Scientology.

Response to: Cinema Club Posted May 21st, 2014 in Clubs & Crews

At 5/21/14 05:50 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Dark City

One of three credited screenwriters.

Batman Begins

Meh.

the Dark Knight

Only has a "story by" credit.

Blade
Blade 2
Batman: Gotham Knight (in Darkness Dwells segment)

Never saw them so can't comment, but either way point is the guy's not exactly Charlie Kaufman.

Response to: Cinema Club Posted May 21st, 2014 in Clubs & Crews

At 5/21/14 03:51 PM, SithCorduroy wrote: LOL David Goyer

Wow what a total jackass. Good thing everything he writes is garbage I have no interest in seeing anyway.

Response to: Best season of The Simpsons Posted May 21st, 2014 in General

Oof, this is not easy. I guess season 4 is the obvious choice, though 6 and 8 are close.

At 5/21/14 04:32 PM, Jackho wrote: I never heard of it being banned though. You can easily find it online anyway.

It's not "banned" but they never show it in syndication. I can't imagine it'll be left out of FXX's upcoming full series marathon though.

Response to: Post music, rate the one above! Posted May 20th, 2014 in General

At 5/20/14 02:16 PM, Viper wrote: Frank Zappa & The Mothers of Invention - King Kong

Heh, nice. Gotta love Zappa. 8/10

At 5/20/14 02:41 PM, VGmasters wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=687KQYYS7lo

Nah. 3/10

The Monks - I Hate You

Response to: Cinema Club Posted May 20th, 2014 in Clubs & Crews

I'm totally gonna watch Bad Lieutenant sometime this week. But anyway, @Sense-Offender go ahead and pick us a winner!

In other, sadder news, Gordon Willis died yesterday at 82. One of the greatest and most influential cinematographers of all time, Willis is responsible for some of the most strikingly beautiful images in 1970s American cinema, having shot films like Annie Hall, Manhattan, All the President's Men, The Parallax View, and most famously, the Godfather films. He was never even nominated for an Oscar for any of these films, which is as good an indication as any that the Oscars are total bullshit. But Oscar or no Willis will still be justly remembered and praised as long as people are still talking about movies. R.I.P. Prince of Darkness.

At 5/14/14 08:58 PM, SG3 wrote: The Devil And Daniel Johnston - A fascinating documentary on mental illness and it's effect on the artistic.

I haven't seen the film but I'm a huge fan of Daniel Johnston's music. If you liked that you might also want to check out the documentary You're Gonna Miss Me, about the great Roky Erickson. It's got similar subject matter.

Not a blockbuster, but Richard Linklater's Boyhood is probably my most anticipated movie of the year.

Seriously. I cannot wait for this movie.

At 5/18/14 11:58 PM, SithCorduroy wrote: At least we got that sweet movie out of it.

Or a movie in any event.

As great as it is to spend a little more time with those characters, I don't really like Serenity much. It's got plot superseding character all over the place, the revelation about the Reavers is pointless overexplanation, the Western genre trappings are largely ditched in favor of more generic sci-fi stuff, and worst of all, the tone is almost relentlessly cold and grim, far removed from the warm, funny show we all fell in love with. It certainly has its moments, but overall it just doesn't really feel like Firefly.

At 5/19/14 11:33 PM, Natick wrote: btw, i also saw wings of desire last night, turns out it had been my queue for years and it just showed up. beautiful film and i can see why you recommended it, @Dr-Worm.

Awesome, I'm glad you liked it. On the one hand, yeah, it can get pretty lofty and poetic (though it helps that the monologues are incredibly well-written and moving), but on the other hand it's got a badass Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds concert and kids on the street calling Peter Falk "Columbo."

Btw for anyone who missed them and wants to catch up Wings of Desire andThe 400 Blows are both available for free streaming on Hulu this week. They're both in my all-time top five so I'd highly recommend checking them out if you haven't already.

Response to: Post music, rate the one above! Posted May 20th, 2014 in General

At 5/20/14 04:12 AM, Vnzi wrote: Sulek - Swamp Song

Awesome, I've loved Sulek ever since I first heard their music in Seed of Destruction here on NG. This is a pretty great one but I think my favorites of theirs are "Oscar," "Fishin'," "Planes, Trains, and Hurricanes" and "Fall." 9/10

Neung Phak - Kawp Koon Kawp Koon

I just listened to the song you linked to in your sig and it reminded me a little of this great self-described "Western-tilted SE Asian tribute group."

Response to: Post music, rate the one above! Posted May 20th, 2014 in General

At 5/19/14 08:47 PM, Me-Patch wrote: The Number Twelve Looks Like You - An Aptly Fictional Description

I could never get into the really screamy stuff like this. That post-rock-ish last section kinda rallies though. 6/10

Cap'n Jazz - Oh Messy Life

Response to: "Schools" not feeding kids Posted May 20th, 2014 in General

Geez, some of you guys seem awfully comfortable with letting children starve on principle...

At 5/19/14 09:52 PM, Sensationalism wrote: A child isn't going to starve from missing a meal or two but even so usually schools give them something like a peanut butter sandwich and that's it for free. FOR FREE.

You really do not understand how nutrition works do you.

Response to: Post music, rate the one above! Posted May 19th, 2014 in General

At 5/19/14 04:14 PM, VGmasters wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNnRbxcYu8I

Whøa. 7/10

Mazzy Star - Look On Down From the Bridge