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The institutions of organized religion are just trying to survive.. You may as well see it as spiritual capitalism.. that's all it is. Propaganda and hidden agendas.

At 4/7/07 11:56 PM, Elfer wrote: So how abouts this shits: Would your answer change if he was something like a genetic researcher working to cure some disease that's super shitty to the max?

Yep. 'Cause I'm a hypocrite like that.

At 4/7/07 11:49 PM, Grammer wrote: The only good reason I could think of to punish the man is to bring comfort the the family who lost the loved one, really.

My sentiments exactly.

At 4/7/07 11:19 PM, Sigma-Lambda wrote:

The purpose of punishing someone is to stop them from doing whatever they did again. Punishment is simply a way to bring about rehabilitation.

Kudos for being the optimist here. I honestly wonder though if that's a sound way of dealing with the potentially horrendous nature of certain crimes.

At 4/7/07 11:24 PM, Korriken wrote:

Too late, it's already been done.

Asexual for now.. the fine line os bound to be crossed though sooner or later.

At 4/7/07 11:01 PM, poxpower wrote:

Which he actually uses to bake fancy pastries for his friend's upcoming birthday party. There will be Shiraz and ice Cider for everyone who brings a scrapbook highlighting the best moments of 90's boy bands.

Step by step! Ooo babeh!!

Lmao..

At 4/7/07 11:09 PM, vic000 wrote: Everyone brings up good/freaky points; but doesnt Newton prove freewill doesnt exist? Is it possible to make a choice? Is it my choice to write this? In the future will it be possible to predict the future?

If one could actually come up with that massively complex equation and take into consideration the massive influx of all types of outside/ environmental stimuli.. then I don't see why not.

At 4/7/07 10:46 PM, fahrenheit wrote: How do you know your choices are your choices? Just because you believe their your choice doesnt make it so, what if someone controlled your free will so that you thought it was your will, but it wasnt?

O_o

Freaky..

At 4/7/07 10:44 PM, poxpower wrote:

At 4/7/07 10:35 PM, Der-Ubermensch wrote: Careful kid.. the angry emo phase is more often than not a prelude to coming out.

Right now he's probably trying to think of ways to stop thinking about bodybuilding magazines. And it's making him ANGRY >:O

That and scraping through his allowance savings to buy a tub of coconut oil.

All human actions are dictated by distinctive, innumerable variables. If will is seen purely as being contingent on raw chemical and biological function, I suppose it isn't truly free at all.

At 4/7/07 10:28 PM, dooseyboy wrote: that is the gayest thing ive ever heard....*ahem....read in my life
i'll bet your looking forward to gay life being normal then you might be able to live happilly beside normal people

Careful kid.. the angry emo phase is more often than not a prelude to coming out.

Hmm..

We need to trash that goddamn "Senate" too. Bunch of old ass-liking refuse.. the lot of them

Hah.. Perpetual retardation of the species, nice.

Skeletor and Beastman sex scenes.. Cobra Commander and Destro's wedding outtakes.. 'Nuff said.

Canadians are even less involved in politics than our American cousins.. which is rather sad in itself. We'd rather all sit back and whine like the most oblivious of retarded shits while we're being assraped by those corrupt clowns in parliament. Hopefully, when we've had our fill.. we'll wake up.

At 4/7/07 09:06 PM, Elfer wrote:

It should be more like "Hey man." You know?

Should be.. in the prettiest corners of joy-joy land. I doubt it is, at the core.

At 4/7/07 07:50 PM, Korriken wrote:

Revenge isn't even the issue.

Wow.. We've all suddenly evolved beyond emotion. Go humanity.

At 4/7/07 04:12 PM, Elfer wrote:

But is retribution alone justification enough for punishment? If so, why?

To sate our vindictive thirst for vengeance.

So long as we treat medicine as just another commodity, I don't see any significant changes coming about. Our mentality, as a collective, has to evolve. Capitalists aren't intrinsically generous folk.

America might face a more significant competition for the status itself.. but I highly doubt it'll lose it outright.

The "why" seems insignificant at this point in time. We should be focusing on bracing ourselves for it.

At 4/7/07 01:17 AM, Politics wrote: Well, I'd imagine the point of this thought experiment is just that: discussion of the reasoning behind punishment. I'd only be repeating myself if I reiterated my view that politics should favour positive consequences, and not just appeal to human emotions and urges, so there's not much else for me to say.

I definitely see where you're coming from, but not many people in this day in age are worthy of that much consideration.

Punishment as a form of rehabilitation? How about punishment for the sake of punishment? transgression against moral or judicial codes of conduct? Human beings are far too stupid to be granted so much leeway and credit.

Dura Lex, Sed Lex. Let the bastard hang.

Wouldn't it be great if justice was purely black or white? Since the justice system isn't at all based on lex talionis, I find it impossible to pass judgment in a situation devoid of so many essential details.

Colin freakin' Powell. The only man MADE for leadership, ironically the only one smart enough to refuse the position.

To think that such a limited being as man could comprehend the depths and intricacies of existence. What a farce. There is no need to be a bible thumping zealot to know and understand God. The force that animates our beings, that unknown energy that calls for us to push our boundaries and evolve beyond the pettiness of this world.. such is God. I for one am a believer who despises the man made institution of church, governed and frequented of too many hypocrites, and too few purists.

Atheists automatically label faith in the unknown a crutch to compensate for weakness.. Are you people not human beings? Can you so honestly and easily forsake your souls? I am not saying we shouldn't endeavor, as a species, to tap into what useful knowledge we can.. but to expect we can decode even the fundamentals of this existential reality is foolish. Let us achieve a rise to power humbly, with good intentions. Arrogance can be deadly.

The only productive and civilized part of Africa, gone. It's a wonder it prospered for so long in the first place. The correlation is evident, not even worth mentioning.

Well, one could judge a religion by how much good is accomplished through it.

I'd be willing to bet that Catholicism, despite it's limited ability to harbor change, is infinitely more altruistic in nature than the Muslim faith.

It would be a grave error for them to re-awaken the slumbering religious zeal of Europe's children.

For every one of US they'd so coldly murder, we would slaughter one thousand.

Good luck Osama. -Thumbs up-