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At 7/12/13 11:52 AM, Entice wrote:

At 7/12/13 03:11 AM, Ceratisa wrote: We do have proof that he illegally acquired a gun

I don't know why you didn't bring this up the first place since it's much more damning than anything else he did.

I'm not going to argue this point anymore, but I'll say that I'm inclined to agree with aviewaskewed here. Neither Trayvon's nor Zimmerman's character change what transpired between the two that night.

Your right, but it does heavily effect who is more likely to have done what. Everyone who knew Zimmerman did not think of him as the kind of person who would go into a conflict willingly. And he opted out of getting his own little wanna be cop uniform and little car with yellow lights etc. He didn't want that, if he was this wanna be cop why wouldn't he take it?

By the way bandwagon doesn't make pot any less illegal.

That wasn't my point at all. I brought it up because:
A. There's no way of knowing if Trayvon was under the influence of marijuana at the time he encountered Zimmerman.
B. If he was under the influence of marijuana it wouldn't predispose him to violence, making it irrelevant.

Not true and the ME disagrees with your expert opinion. Infact Marijuana has been proven to sometimes produce an unreasonable paranoia.
The ME disagrees with your claim that it didn't have an effect on him to be a bit clearer.

i happen to live in florida and there are a lot of black kids in the suburbs or shit projects as people like to call it. we also have a lot of hispanics. i find it interesting that out of all the racism cases that happen to reach national acclaim, it's between the two most popular minorities in florida.

It is because Zimmerman is perceived as white.

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the answer is yes.

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I pushed the god damn button of course...

At 7/12/13 01:05 AM, Entice wrote:

At 7/12/13 01:03 AM, Ceratisa wrote:

Because saying 'I have to change out my blood soaked tampon' doesn't sound as polite.

But that isn't calling peeing.....

Do you seriously not get it?

Of course I don't, fucking idiot.

Don't fly the wrong flag in L.A., I'd rather you didn't get shot...

Entice, since you haven't been paying attention to the case read up on it or shooooooooo.

We do have proof that he illegally acquired a gun, and was a street fighter. He was a criminal with multiple offenses. By the way bandwagon doesn't make pot any less illegal.

Because saying 'I have to change out my blood soaked tampon' doesn't sound as polite.

But that isn't calling peeing.....

I like french toast...

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At 7/11/13 10:55 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/11/13 10:16 PM, Ceratisa wrote: So if the black community feels it is wronged it is wronged?

Isn't that how it works with every community?

Well then I guess they would have made that distinction?

So if the black community feels it is wronged it is wronged?

If you want to comment why not give your run down of events?

This latest thing isn't partisan so much as it's just plain incompetence. I mean, unless we find out this was only done to one party affiliated group, then we can pretty easily say it's just a case of an agency that is clearly not being run or operated by competent folks

I see free of partisan politics but still professional.
So professional as well.

At 7/11/13 03:42 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 7/11/13 03:08 PM, Korriken wrote: I knew she would be granting the prosecution's request to tack on the lesser charges. Luckily only 1 could stick, that was Manslaughter. the rest were just too absurd even for the judge.

That's included de facto since lesser crimes are included as per Florida law. I believe the state wanted to change the jury instructions to remind them of that. Manslaughter wasn't added in, it was always there.

No the jury was always going to be instructed about man slaughter they did move to add the child abuse and 3rd degree specifically.
Based on what the judge said.

legit purchase of iced tea and skittles for LEAN.. what?

At 7/11/13 02:27 PM, Ceratisa wrote: This closing statement is entirely emotional and they NEVER gave a break down of the actual events.

Closing arguments during murder trials can go on for days, so it's odd you would critique the state's closing when it's only been going on for such a short period of time.

It's odd you continue to support the state regardless of witness testimony

At 7/11/13 01:43 PM, Korriken wrote: closing arguments have begun.

This closing statement is entirely emotional and they NEVER gave a break down of the actual events.

At 7/11/13 01:04 PM, Korriken wrote: this just in, 3rd degree murder has been tossed out.

Wasn't the child abuse also tossed out?

At 7/11/13 02:13 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:

At 7/10/13 12:59 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Now can we get rid of the IRS?

Somebody has to collect the taxes, but if this isn't proof that the agency needs the biggest enema in government agency history (like perhaps just burnt to the ground and started over again) I don't know what will.

It needs someone free of partisan politics but is still professional at all levels of management. I don't know of those people exist in sufficient quantity, but changes need to be done regardless.

At 7/10/13 10:31 PM, Korriken wrote: you know she is. the state wants to get him with something, anything they can to put him away. Hopefully the jury sees through that move and acquits him on all charges.

Is this what Limbaugh is saying or did you come up with this conspiracy theory on your own?

I'm sorry is this about Casey case?
Because other search engine results that were found later revealed much more damning evidence. And she still didn't report her child missing for OVER A MONTH.

Same circular arguments indeed, considering you nor the prosecution ever gave their version.

He didn't seek him out after he started running he said he didn't know where he was. You seem confused about the time line still

PLEASE give your version of events in detail.

At 7/10/13 09:34 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 7/10/13 09:31 PM, Ceratisa wrote: pursuit=/= assault, sorry.

You don't have to apologize:

"The basic assault charge in Florida is classified as a second degree misdemeanor and carries a potential sentence of 60 days in jail and fines reaching $500.

You may be facing this charge if you are accused of intentionally threatening someone (by word or action) with physical harm. Whether or not you follow through on the threat, it must be possible and put the victim in fear that it is about to happen."

Yes, following someone can absolutely be considered assault in Florida. That is the law.

A member of the neighborhood following a suspicious person isn't assault. It is NOT illegal to follow someone. If you have prove Zimmerman said something or was truly aggressive in some fashion you should probably be on the stand.

TM had gotten away from Zimmerman, unless you think he openly lied about that during the time of the phone call to the non-emergency number.

I would really appreciate it if you gave your break down of what happened right up to the shooting that fits with expert testimony.

Bao and Miao both confirmed different facts about the gunshot.

Zimmerman sustained multiple blows, the experts testified that it was unlikely that the lacerations on the back of his head both came from the same impact.

Zimmerman had a broken nose and two black eyes.

Mr Good the only witness to part of the altercation (Who could actually see) puts Trayvon Martin on top with Zimmerman on the bottom crying for help. IF you doubt this why didn't TM have injuries since he saw the figure on top striking the one on the bottom.

The use of marijuana likely did have a result on TM's mental state according to the ME.

TM according to Jeantel and Zimmerman's phone call had safety eluded Zimmerman.

TM was on top which isn't even denied by prosecution at this point.

TM actively participated in fights and considered himself to be a gang banger from his own social networking posts and text messages.

Zimmerman's altercation with a civilian dressed officer which was completely dropped was eight years ago.

Zimmerman was at the time borderline obese.

The autopsy report as mentioned showed 3 abrasions on TM's knuckles. The report says these markings could have INFACT have occurred during the altercation.

Please tell me your break down of the events that happened,in particular your theory on how exactly the physical altercation took place.

The fact that he shot TM does not change anything, no one is arguing this point.

Because none of the self defense claims matter if the state can make the argument that Zimmerman assaulted Martin by pursuing him.

pursuit=/= assault, sorry.

Why don't you give your break down of events?

If the judge comes back tomorrow and rules in favor of the prosecution w/r/t the jury being allowed to consider lesser charges (aggravated assault, possibly aggravated stalking) then him leaving the car is a big deal. I think the state knows they aren't getting murder 2 since they weren't able to prove Zimmerman assaulted Martin beyond a reasonable doubt so they're going to focus on him intentionally seeking Martin after he started running.

How is it a big deal, it wasn't illegal and he wasn't told not to or even advised not to by the time he had left his vehicle. He was relaying information back to a non-emergency operator.
The judge will rule in favor of the prosecution, like they have consistently.

At 7/10/13 05:47 PM, LittleWashu wrote: Ok and we care why?

Cause he pissed in a mop bucket... I guess those employees are paid well enough to have people do things like this all the time.

For TM supporters why are they obsessed with him leaving his truck? That action wasn't illegal
And I would like them to present their theory on the EXACT break down of the situation that matches expert testimony including gunshot range, and injuries sustained. As well goes along with Mr. Good's eye witness testimony. (TM was on top Zimmerman on the bottom yelling for help)

But that wasn't the only time either.

Like?

Bringing up Zimmerman's classes
and once again those charges were dropped as defense noted is very rarely done.

At 7/10/13 05:15 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 7/10/13 05:05 PM, Ceratisa wrote: if prosecutors start bringing up Zimmerman's past

If. They didn't.

They did actually, and most recently they have moved to present a rebuttal witness. But that wasn't the only time either.