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At 7/15/13 09:36 PM, Lumber-Jax12 wrote: How, it's night and the kid is wearing a hoodie, any person without Night vision goggles or cat eyes would have some degree of difficulty identifying the race of such an individual in that environment.

It doesn't matter that he only confirms race later on. Facts hurt the race case.

Really? Because he specifically stated he was unsure after being asked, and gave a guess. Attacking me doesn't change that. I want you to prove what the FBI did not find to be true.

You exaggerate with many, many adjectives, and my details are literally perfect. How is it not racial? He called in a suspicious character "on drugs or something" who was walking around a safe neighborhood talking on a headset. That would not have happened if he were white.

He said that before he knew the race of the individual. Now prove to me how it is racial.

At 7/15/13 06:23 PM, HolidayJester wrote: Im rooting for Nintendo.

Spoiler alert Playstation won.

*remake

I was referring to X and X-2 Remastery's to upgrade to HD.

And I was referring to how "remastery" isn't a word and you need to stop using it.

Would remaster make you happy? Since it isn't a remake.

At 7/15/13 08:45 PM, Profanity wrote:

At 7/15/13 08:03 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Why don't you give YOUR Facts on why it was racial? Or do you think he planned right from the point he called the non emergency number to lie and kill TM.

It was racial because he called the police on a pedestrian in a gated community without ever talking to the pedestrian. If the pedestrian were a young white girl, he wouldn't have batted an eyelash after stealing a look.

The facts that he called "them assholes" and disregarded the responder's instructions, then deviated from his grocery store trip to follow the pedestrian, exited his vehicle to chase him on foot, and got into a physical confrontation take the cake.

You make many assumptions, and many details are incorrect. Now tell me how it was racial? Zimmerman didn't even know TM's race at first and reported it only when asked.

Why don't you give YOUR Facts on why it was racial? Or do you think he planned right from the point he called the non emergency number to lie and kill TM.

At 7/15/13 05:41 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/15/13 01:24 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Legally stalking is not what Zimmerman did, according to their definition of stalking.

It may not be the legal definition, but it definitely fits the dictionary definition.

I like how you are so selective, why not just admit you are wrong?

I love RPGs, but mass effect. I wonder if the 2nd is alot better, but I won't play it until I can force myself to finish the first.

In short, Zimmerman went WELL BEYOND his duties as a neighborhood watchman (and unofficial one at that) and because of his intense drive to target every black kid out for a stroll at night, he got BOTH Martin and Zimmerman into a position where nothing good was going to happen.

But it wasn't racial. Why are you making it sound like it was? The FBI said it wasn't, and Zimmerman didn't even know TM's race initially.

At 7/15/13 12:48 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/15/13 12:26 PM, Korriken wrote: following someone isn't the same as stalking.

Stop trying to defend ZImmerman. He WAS stalking the kid at night. That alone is a threatening act thus HIGHLY likely to elicit a defensive response.

Legally stalking is not what Zimmerman did, according to their definition of stalking.

At 7/15/13 07:08 AM, Jackotrades wrote: Overall, the entire debacle was a series of unfortunate circumstances.

George Zimmerman did act in a manner well within his rights to do so, and the entire trial ended in a manner legally viable and I am willing to accept it.

But...

There will always be that little annoyance about there being a lack of evidence that I never find quite appealing. And since no man or woman would ever incrimidate his or herself, we have to rely on what the defendant's picture of the scene was compared to witnesses. Few witnesses, even fewer with reliable testimony on certain instances during the chain of events...

While it is true ONLY George Zimmerman knows the entire story, that is still the entire point of finding him "Not Guilty." People can't be certain what happened so he cannot be forced to spend the rest of his life in prison. But we are aware of some facts.
Mr. Good said the figure on top was pummeling the one on the bottom.

TM only had 3 small abrasions on his left knuckles. (testified during the trial)

The guy who literally wrote the book on gunshots/ballistics places Zimmerman on the bottom during the shot which was close enough that it had contact with his clothing, but not his chest.

According to expert testimony Zimmerman suffered at least 4 frontal blows.

and the requirement for using self defense is fear of great bodily harm.

The only one who knows how things really went down will be Zimmerman at this point and so on, and I cannot for the life of me really see himself being entirely innocent in all of this. But as long as he can live with it, its all fair now.

Moving on, I rather hope people aren't going to take this case too seriously and actually try to emulate the series of events to get away with murder.

It's okay Camar is just upset that the legal system disagreed with him.

At 7/14/13 12:56 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: still can't comprehend how people think the same media narrative that the world was force fed was relevant in the court room.

CAUSE FEELINGS!!!!

So Oakland went to hell http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/crime-law/zimmerman-protests-t urn-violent-oakland/nYqFL/

At 7/13/13 10:44 PM, Feoric wrote: Don't look now but there's a massive race riot on Twitter right now. Will the internet be safe?

Can we agree we hope it stays on the internet? Cause I'd rather not see Blacks destroy their own communities further.

At 7/13/13 10:22 PM, Light wrote:

At 7/13/13 10:17 PM, RacistBassist wrote: All I have to say to all of those who argued with me several pages back is come at me bro

I didn't really take either side on this issue, but the Zimmerman opponents in this thread have made some pretty good arguments.

So for the sake of debate, I do hope they come at you, bro. :P

Really? cause their good arguments would need to remove reasonable doubt from the equation...

Inb4 criticism of the jury..

Not Guilty!

At 7/12/13 08:41 PM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Famous Gun Control Lobbyists Butt hurt for Zombie targets with they're likeness.

LOL I'm buying the Obeezy and Gabby Giffords one.

I find that kinda funny honestly..

At 7/12/13 06:03 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 7/12/13 05:22 PM, Feoric wrote:

If there wasn't much then they wouldn't be asking for an inventory list of it all.

Might be to make sure they have everything before them before they deliberate.

anyone know if deliberations happen over the weekend or will they have the weekend off?

recess until 9:00 am? does that mean 9:00 am saturday

At 7/12/13 05:22 PM, Feoric wrote:

At 7/12/13 04:46 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Jury asked for an inventory of the evidence I guess, not that there is much...

If there wasn't much then they wouldn't be asking for an inventory list of it all.

DId you pay attention to how much was allowed, and it said right on the CNN article the judge ALLOWED man slaughter, either contact them and other outlets getting that wrong or you are missing something.

At 7/12/13 04:59 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 7/12/13 04:53 PM, Korriken wrote: deliberations shouldn't last beyond 2 days, In my opinion. this wasn't exactly a long trial.

It could very well last a week. The verdict isn't an easy call here.

So you believe that there is not reasonable doubt? because if there is it isn't a tough call.

At 7/12/13 03:27 PM, Korriken wrote: and now.... we wait.

Jury asked for an inventory of the evidence I guess, not that there is much...

Um gangs don't have hideouts? They don't say live in special buildings they're just a group of people who live in normal housing. You also have to convict them of something or else you're just going around killing people arbitrarily.......

Crack houses// dens
You ever hear of the projects? That is basically a giant gang "hide out" in areas with alot of gang violence.

At 7/12/13 02:30 PM, Entice wrote:

At 7/12/13 02:16 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Chicago has very tough gun laws and is the what.. second highest gang population? I'd say knowing the legal citizens the pray on (Smash and grab, robberies etc) were also armed would force them to at least focus even more heavily on eachother.

Oh I agree, I just don't think it will solve the problem by itself.

Oh then we agree on that entirely, but I don't like the idea of the national guard being deployed to get shot at by bangers who are high out of their mind.

I'll get it, because I've been waiting and the game had one of the best FF endings in the series.

At 7/12/13 12:29 PM, Entice wrote:

At 7/12/13 10:02 AM, Korriken wrote: once the gang problem is handled, the crime rate will drops considerably. identify gangs and bring them down.

I agree. Though I believe that civilians should have the right to defend themselves it won't solve the violence problem. Carrying a handgun is not going to deter violent criminals that murder other violent criminals. I'd also imagine that most of the crimes are committed against other gang members willing to illegally carry weapons so changing concealed carry laws will do very little, if anything to address this specific problem.

Chicago has very tough gun laws and is the what.. second highest gang population? I'd say knowing the legal citizens the pray on (Smash and grab, robberies etc) were also armed would force them to at least focus even more heavily on eachother.

At 7/12/13 12:21 PM, Entice wrote:

At 7/12/13 12:04 PM, Ceratisa wrote: Not true and the ME disagrees with your expert opinion.

Expert opinion.

"1.5 nanograms of THC were found as well as 7.3 nanograms of THC-COOH, a metabolite of THC that can stay in the system for weeks after cannabis has been smoked."

Not proof that he was high at the time.

Infact Marijuana has been proven to sometimes produce an unreasonable paranoia.
The ME disagrees with your claim that it didn't have an effect on him to be a bit clearer.

Of course it has an effect, but I completely disagree that marijuana produces violent behavior. Paranoia doesn't necessarily manifest itself as violence. I do agree that it could affect his judgement and if he was predisposed to violence it could have been a factor but there's not enough evidence to support that.

I know it doesn't often produce violent behaviour but we also know people with existing mental conditions (Just as an example) can react very poorly to marijuana. I'm saying he was predisposed to violence because of his history of fighting.

For the record, I do not think that Zimmerman was guilty. I disagree with many of the arguments that his supporters make which rely too much on attacking Trayvon's character.

The expert opinion of the person who performed the autopsy revised his statement on Marijuana levels and if he believed it had an effect. He must have had a reason to change his opinion on that.

At 7/12/13 07:51 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Concealed Carry now in Illinois! the last State to enact Concealed Carry!

NRA WIN! and maybe now it might be a little safer to go to chicago!

Can the city itself still have different rules?