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At 11/23/14 03:00 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but what is the Canadian position on drilling and fracking?

Based on the tar sands, I'm pretty sure they're all for it.

At 11/23/14 01:39 PM, Korriken wrote: Last time I checked, they Endorsed Obama, and I doubt Mama June would have let that happen if she were Republican.

This response would get you a massive F in English class. My comment was about looking stupid and foolish, not about Mama June voting republican.

And my point still stands. Benghazi is a fail if not a turn off issue with swing voters. So, keep pressing GOP. You're merely digging the grave you have made for yourself deeper.

NO! I want the GOP to keep flailing on Benghazi. It has zero political value among the independent swing voters and makes the GOP look... well GOPish (i.e. foolish and stupid, ala Mama June)

And they didn't say sohrry? I'm not sure I believe this. It can't be true.

At 11/21/14 08:05 AM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: Secure the border. That's any government's only legitimate role in the first place.

Short of significantly raising taxes, or defunding all other programs, the government cannot afford do this. The borders are just too damn long. Don;t we have a total of 8-9 thousand miles of border, most of it in extremely rural areas?

At 11/21/14 11:27 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Why are you even bothering to post ?

To put you back on topic, the legality of bounties and similar verbal/written acts of terror.

I don't see the priority problem. It's simply a need and usage problem.

A toilet can easily serve numerous people as it only requires short sporadic usage. A phone on the other hand, especially in today's world, is used for frequent, and long usage This means it is logical that there are more phones than toilets.

It also has a lot to do with transactional costs. All a phone requires is service (which can be done cheaply, or even by satelite) and electricity. A toilet requires plumbing and a connection to a sewer system (which can include single building sewer units, like spetic tanks). In parts of the world where the infrastructure is weak, power and a phone signal are much easier to find and set up than a sewer system.

At 11/21/14 05:58 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: man those gamergate people sure are a bunch of hateful misogynists

That picture represents everything wrong with gamergate. It's quite funny. They're so deluded they don't understand. They try to act like evry single attack on them make everything they say right and everything said against them wrong.

At 11/20/14 06:26 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Due to the nature of the "Free Market" Government Cops will naturally gravitate to the private sector due to massive increases in pay and higher quality of equipment and training that can potentially save their lives and others. The ones that stay working for the Government will be the slow the scared and the not to bright so basically you will have all the best people working for the private sector and lining their pockets and living like rock stars and the dunces working where it's safe ... In an office filing papers for the Government. Soon the Government Policing sector would no longer exist because the best Cops would no longer be there.

Why? You act as if police officers aren't already well equipped and well paid.

I also wonder why exactly police officers would get better equipment under the regime that seeks to make th emost money at the least cost? I think it's more like you would see that the profit driven police force would be gien worse equipment and worse pay in an attempt to increase profit.

At 11/20/14 01:37 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Did they target an individual?

No, but the base standard still stands. The line between fiery rhetoric and inciting criminal action is determined by intent to make other follow through, not by the objective nature of the words spoken (or written).

No you fucking idiot, you said it is a "white hate group' when its not a white hate group and its not a group at all. Learn to read.

It is a group, and it is a hate group. It is largely dominated by white males, as why I made that distinction.

"It's motivated by sexual frustration and anger against women."
right, and feminism is motivated by feeling ugly and hatred for men.

You aren't exactly the best person to be making these claims, being a rampant racist and sexist yourself. Anyway, the basis of feminism is a different topic (there are a few on the BBS already).

Whatever feminism may be does not change the fact that Gamergate has let itself become a hate group. Sure, maybe most of the members have not actively attcked women, but their complacency (and the wekness of their original message) has been at the very least willful blindness. Also, if you look at the groups accomplishments, and attemoted acts it's like 100-1 in favor of hate to ethics. That's definitely hate group material.

Who said anything about doxxing?

You did. It's a form of a bounty. It may not offer money, but it gives addresses of people for the implied (key word: implied) purpose that someone will use the information to harass the person who was doxxed.

At 11/19/14 10:29 PM, LordJaric wrote: You are "forced" to pay for a reason. You get a ticket means you did something wrong and there are consequences for that.

He's talking about taxes. But yeah, if he wants better security, he can hire private security.

At 11/19/14 10:20 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: Nope, I think both sides are going to need to grow up, be adults, and work together on these issues.

I hate this CNN type thinking, as if the right spot always lands in the middle. Look at Obama's accomplishments: the ACA, increased action against terrorists, significantly reduced defecits, a dirth of tax increases, supporting firearm background checks as regulation and so on. It reads like a 1990's GOP wishlist.

So, when one party has pretty much gone out of their way to give the other what they want, you cannot say both parties are being bad when the other party obstructs it calling it too liberal.

The truth is this is darn near all the Republicans fault. They were given a cookie, milk, and a straw and now are comlaining that they have not recieved a mirror, nail scissors, and a broom, saying that the Democrats are beng selfish for not them giving them the broom, whent the Democrats have recieved nothing.

At 11/19/14 08:51 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: If the KKK made a publicized bounty against a well-known figure, such as one involved in a major criminal investigation, the justice department would be on their asses before you could say 'ray-cyst'.

The case on point here was made by the KKK and called for violence against the government. They were deemed to be well within their protected rights.

it's not motivated by racial hatred considering virtually all the people they're opposed to are white too, and they're not a group at all any more than 'feminism' is a group.

It's not motivated by racial hatred. It's motivated by sexual frustration and anger against women. You can cry all you want about a legit purpose, but the KKK claims a legit purpose too and that don't change the fact that the vast majority of its actions and the loudest of its member do little but promote hate.

These people are mostly anonymous and since they're not an actual group there's no one for the police to shut down.

No they're not. Doxxers can be doxxed just as well by the police.

At 11/19/14 07:56 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: It's pretty cheap to use PMC's. The taxpayers would like it. I might draw the line at national military, but just keeping the peace on the streets can be done.

Peace for the highest bidder, you mean.

At 11/19/14 07:14 PM, TheKlown wrote: Racist black groups are allowed to put bounties on peoples heads without it being considered a threat. That is just how the law works in America.

The KKK and Gamergate, both white hate groups are able to do it too.

At 11/19/14 05:12 PM, leanlifter1 wrote: Who's to say that we will not keep Federal police even State/Provincial and Municipal police ?

If the government police will still remain, what's the purpose of having a private force? On top of that if there's a governmental force why would a private police force ever take up shop in the area?

I wouldn't necessarily say that they think we're stupid. I think it is better phrased as they know how to manipulate the mob.

The Men in Black quot best sums it up: "A person is smart. People are dumb." Meaning that they may not believe everyone is stupid, they know that when people come together, they start to lose a great deal of their individual intelligence and widsom as part of a group. Politicians, by their very nature, know how to prod at the pressure points to galvanive people into these groups, and then they know how to create a frenzy in which the group gets riled up and loses even more of their ability to think properly.

Though, in the end, I wouldn't put it past politicians to think the people to be a worthless and irrelveant lesser type of human, evidenced by Romney's 47% comment (the irony there was super juicy too.)

Certains things should not be governed by profit. The police force is definitely one of those things.

At 11/18/14 02:00 PM, Korriken wrote: I'm pretty sure first amendment rights end when you begin destroying and stealing other peoples' property and threatening to kill people.

They do when you start comitting other crimes. However, merely threatening people is legal almost everywhere. Threatening someone with something else added to it can quickly become a crime.

I'm all for peaceful protests, but burning down and looting homes and businesses is anything but a peaceful protest.

That's true. But I am not talking about that. I'm talking about the wanted posters, and bounties, and doxxing. These are all speech based acts that are in the fuzzy parts of the first amendment, and depending on the intent and circumstances can fall on either side of legality.

At 11/17/14 11:20 PM, Korriken wrote: People have been thrown in prison for less.

The system isn't perfect (youd be surprised how many people are in prison for things that technically are not illegal. They just cannot afford to appeal, or they waive their right to.

I still questio the amount of people in prison for first amendment related offenses.

Saying you're offering $10,000 for the capture or death of someone is pretty straightforward in your intent. If a regular person placed wanted posters with Dead or Alive with pretty much anyone else's face on it, they would be thrown in prison immediately. People have done such in the past and found themselves charged with solicitation of murder/abduction.

It's very different if a single person does it than if a political group does it. When a single person says "I was just making a point" they have very little grounds to be believed. However, when a group who specializes in making provactive points, and making poits through provactive speech, does so, they have a very stong base to show that their claim of mere provocative speech is sincere. Mind you, the standard for this is entirely subjective, meaning it rest entirely on whether they believed it and whether this belief is sincere.

Maybe I'm overlooking something, but it seems like those in charge of law enforcement are scared to enforce the law when it comes to dealing with large groups of people.

Scared for two reasons. Scared becuase these groups are dangerous. Also, scared for getting reprimanded and sued for violating people's first and therefore 4th amendment rights.

At 11/17/14 12:58 PM, AxTekk wrote: So, did it happen?

My gut says no, or at least it didn't happen the way they claim it did.

Chances are this is either an exaggeration (possibly even a flat out lie) or the guy was genuiney assaulted, but assaulted having nothing to do with gamergate. The gamergate movement is too full of naivete, narcissism, and Cartman-esque truth bending for me to trust much if any of what they say, especially when it comes with a clear goal.

At 11/17/14 02:53 PM, LordJaric wrote: Something like this should be a chargeable offence.

It's very difficult. The protections provided by the First Amendment are afforded a very wide berth. In order for any of these actions to be considered criminal, they would have to show that the speech was made with the specific intent of inciting others to commit a crime. Anciallary intent, or the high likelihood that someone will commit a crime are not enough.

All these groups have to do is say that thier wanted posters and calls for information were merely a show of how angered and frustrated they were with the system. If this can be shown to be sincere (pretty darn easy) they will have a good chance of dodging any criminal liability for the acts.

At 11/16/14 08:09 PM, X-Gary-Gigax-X wrote: Let's be reasonable here, if you wanted to protest perceived grievances to the Vatican, there are proper channels to do it.

What if you have a topic the Vatican doesn't care about and you're not just looking to protest but to be acknowledged as well.

The proper channels, in many/most case I presume, are just a ticket to nothing. No result, no response, just silence. So if yu have a sincere greivance why would you go through the proper channels just to be ignored? These ladies may have been crude, rude, uncouth, disruptive, but guess what? We're at least talking about them.

Now, I do caution the use of such actions as they can strongly backfire. As seen by the fake "men R pigs, amirite ladies?" videos that have come out. Sure, the first couple made a good point and did so relatively germanely. However, the followup ones have done so much to destroy the credibility of these videos that they are now a subject of laughter instead of serious dicsussion as they once were.

I mean look at Pussy Riot in Russia. They once were a beacon of attetion to the plight of freedom in Russia. Now they're just a dumb sideshow to be scoffed at.

At 11/16/14 06:20 AM, InsectGadget wrote: No, you are for supporting sexist extremism.

Loudly trying to calm people down is not supporting extremism. Saying that someone should be "Publicly. Brutally. Killed." Is the very definition of extremism.

Anyway, I know you're not a mysogynist extremist. You're just concerned about ethics is protesting, right? #protestergate

At 11/15/14 11:35 PM, Korriken wrote: Pretty much. Of course, there is also this video. Is it fake? *shrug* Possible.
Even royalty from other universes aren't safe from people bothering them as they walk through NYC.

Dammit! Wrong video. The videos you showed are parodies of a different video than OP is talking about!

At 11/15/14 11:30 PM, Korriken wrote: Dude, it's leanlifter. The only reason anyone talks to him is... hmm. I have no idea why anyone talks to him.

To his credit, he does set up very good counter arguments. If you can handle the crazy, you can make some pretty good tip in responses off his nonsense.

At 11/15/14 05:41 PM, RydiaLockheart wrote: I need to stay occupied. I felt bad being reduced to sitting on the couch watching "The Price is Right." (My husband, meanwhile, wishes he could.) I would make a terrible welfare recipient.

It comes and goes in waves. You may feel restless now, but in a couple days you may actually feel good just lounging. It's really odd.

At 11/15/14 11:30 AM, Ericho wrote: most of the harassment happened in Harlem

Wrong video. This one takes place in Hollywood and has been confirmed as fake.

No. It's a video troupe who aren't very good so they resort to controversy in order to get views.

That's not to say there aren't many people who jumped on the video's bandwagon for the purpose of promoting feminism.

At 11/13/14 12:34 PM, TheKlown wrote: Democrats are going to cause another Civil War in this Country and this time will make sure that all the Democrat Politicians are gone. The REAL UNION Army will win again.

When you can't do things right, threaten those who do with violence.