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At 11/26/09 09:40 PM, Korriken wrote: don't forget what happens when too much government is involved. Just think USSR, or North Korea, or Nazi Germany, maybe even Zimbabwe. things tends to not work out very well.

Right, just think to those examples the bourgeoisie feed us of what is bad. USSR=bad, Communism=bad, Fascism=bad. All other definitions are for nothing once i use one of these action packed words to describe big government.

An important question is what is even meant by 'big' and 'government'? Government of and for who?

In a sense during much of the USSR's history it had a relatively small government. But if you mean power wise, it was not all bad. Although it used it's power to eliminate those who it saw as a danger to the revolution, it had great success in industrializing, and don't forget, defeating Fascism.

At 11/26/09 01:46 AM, dudewithashotgun29 wrote: What do you Believe? Do you think we should have a limited government, as so people can have more individual freedom, or more government, so there can be more protection for peoples freedom. I'm Not going to weigh in on any side. this is mearily a topic to state what you believe, and debate with others about what you think.

The issue is not more or less government. But government for which class? As we know it, the governments of today are largely for the bourgeoisie and often of the bourgeoisie. Obviously, as a worker, I would like the state to be seized and turned in my classes favour. Oppress the bourgeoisie and make a government of the worker.

As for the graphic above, I feel it is completely inadequate, the liberal-conservative dichotomy is lacking, I am neither. I am by far not a conservative, and I despise Liberalism.

At 11/25/09 06:49 AM, gumOnShoe wrote: I did it to piss off conservatives. Its worked wonders. ^_^

That's probably one of the most productive reasons to vote in the American system. I mean really this is one of the strongest arguments I've ever heard for voting for anyone.

At 11/25/09 03:21 AM, Psycho-Medic wrote:

Surprise, politicians are stupid!

Surprisingly many people analyzing them are too!

At 11/18/09 07:28 PM, Stoicish wrote: I am furious at what Obama did in China!

For those who don't know our illustrious "president" has decided to make us look weaker to the rest of the world yet again by going up and bowing to the Emperor of China! CHINA!

Aside from the country being a Communist one its like a stab in a back to all American citizens. It's like our leader told us that we must bow to the Chinese now. I, for one, refuse to do so, but Obama seems the need to do so because of some stupid liberal sense of appeasement. Why do we have to appease them? Everything would be okay if we just came up and acted strong like we have at all times.

I stated this to a few people and they kept telling me there was no Emperor in China. Well, I showed them Fox and Friends and they said China the whole time. Then they told me that bowing is just a sign of respect.

Okay, I get it kinda. Obama is trying act nice and all, but a proper handshake would be just fine. Instead he shakes hands and then bows!

Let's pretend I'm even okay with this bullshit! He didn't have to bow so low. It was almost 90 degrees! It reminded me of old days when slaves would bow to their masters!

Oh and doing point racism at me because you all know exactly how it looks.

Whatever they had to talk about is irrelevant because of this simple act that he had the gall to do. I'm just getting embarrassed more and more by this president every day and look for ward to voting for Palin in 2012!

Because showing respect is a horrible thing to do, leaders should never show each other respect, this is how politics works! Regardless, Obama is a tool, like all other presidents. Republican/Democrat, it really doesn't matter.

And calling modern day China communist is like calling the DPRK democratic, it's an abuse of the term. Just because a 'communist' party is in control does not make the socio-economic system communist. Unfortunately, China has slipped from its communistic traits and is now, and ever more so, privatizing and becoming capitalistic.

Shaking hands is an American way to show respect, and bowing is a Chinese way, it's that simple. There are other cultures that can be observed. The greater the bow, the greater the respect.