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Posted: 3/30/03 12:24 PM

At 3/30/03 06:04 AM, Slizor wrote:

This is true, but even if you decided you wanted to work what is there to force anyone to take difficult and demanding jobs, that are draining and still far from intellectually satisfying or exciting?

Like....say cleaning sewers? Well I've had a range of ideas on this, ranging from it being part of National Service, to shorter hours. However, these would only be relatively short-term as we would strive for automisation (machines!)

Cleaning sewers was part of what I was thinking, but I was also reffering to demanding jobs that are rather thankless and recquire a great deal of training. Like an engineer (like Dilbert) for example, they are vital to the economy. They work very hard at boring, unsatisfying jobs and get little thanks for their efforts.

To be practical, we cannot just totally depends on others to get support and encouragement for us to move on.

to be realistic, we have to be flexible enough to change our mindset in order to like that very work or genre.

side note:-
anyway, for me. Money is always the important. but that doesn't means that it's the urgent motivation for me to write my screenplay.

the most urgent question as i write my script is always practical thoughts.

whether the movie i write is it "expensive" and cannot be achieved by local production?

and the most important whether the audience will "buy the logic" of my story at the very first place?

if i can write a story that satisfied those above conditions, i will feel a sense of achievement.

Practical and likeable by majority audiences will be my first objective to do my work.

the amount of Money as the result because the producer like it and buy it will be my second priority in my work.

i think all ppl in this world should be flexible as much as possible. unless the person's actions are corrupted and evil, then he or she should deserved isolation and deserve punishment. otherwise, please don't do that.

when comes to discussion, laying judgement, work or business, we will just how's the person's knowledge, opinion, performance and his efforts respectively. that's the main objective.

however, when comes to making close relationship between one and another or that very person is your selected role model, then it will be the time we will judge the person's character and personality. whether you like the person or feel the person is a threat to you.

everyone in this world is not born perfect as Jesus. so everyone have to be tolerated and understand and also forgive that person's wrong action or his weird behaviour.

Anyway, an old saying, it's better to make friends than foes.

and also don't make sterotypical judgement or generalisation and eventually jump to the conclusion. Cause it eventually won't lead you anywhere but just make you more stubborn and ignorant.

However, Human being are always wants to try to build a perfect system. to make the entire world a better place. a more efficient place.

for example machines, we made. computers and the speed of our transportation.

and also the ruling system. from monarchy to democracy.

Posted: 3/29/03 10:13 PM

At 3/27/03 12:00 PM, Slizor wrote:

Money is the greatest motivating factor. if I didn't need money I wouldn't work.

Then you're very rare indeed. Most people, even in countries which provide for their unemployed feel depressed and impotent when they don't work.

This is true, but even if you decided you wanted to work what is there to force anyone to take difficult and demanding jobs, that are draining and still far from intellectually satisfying or exciting?

yah, very true. it's the money that truly drives us to move on in commitment to finish any project beside fear of losing the job.

like an old saying, Money is the only universal language.

without money, you can't survive.

that is what the world truly wants an unbiased, reliable, experienced cable news channel that is in charged by a few wise intellectuals chosen by the UN who is responsible for any political and world news.

i only dislike the action that the human did but not the entire person, himself.

he maybe needing some big time to realise it so that he can change. like how Saul become Paul.

i will totally hate the person unless he did something that is not worth tolerate anymore.

Posted: 3/30/03 02:35 AM

At 3/23/03 12:44 PM, NEMESiSZ wrote: Look, 9/11 is the fault of Canada's indifference to anything outside their own borders, and anyone who disputes that is a fool.

Canada sucks, they're a meaningless scarecrow state, case closed.

IT'S BETTER NOT TO MAKE THAT KIND OF STEROTYPICAL TYPE OF JUDGEMENT and comes to the conclusion.

example of Sterotypical false generalisation:-

Women simply cannot keep secrets.
Women are emotional crying babies.
Blacks are total ignorants.
old man are stubborn goats.
being fat is sign of villiancy and hypocrisy.
politics are a sly game.
Whites are supremacy.
worst type; YOU ARE DUMB, I"M SMART and U SUCKS (that kind of comment)

All of these mentioned are false. and i don't support it.

Posted: 3/28/03 03:41 PM

I can't stress this enough.

WE DON'T WANT TO LOOK AS BARBARIC AS WE HAVE TO!!!

With the vast majority of the planet against us, it would be in our best interests (and everyone else) for us to look as sympathetic and apologetic as possible. Now, I'm not saying that Bush and everyone who is fighting this war with us are faking it, I'm saying that we need to show the world that disapproves of us that we are not the violent and threatening nation that everyone is making us out to be. It's as simple as that.

Kazuo Kiriyama

True, America is doing this war at a very difficult and a hard time.

"it's very easy to make someone dislike you but it's ten times more difficult to build a trust between you and him."

Funny, this is said by the Evil Adolf Hitler, himself. he's smart to realise that. this is why he can wins the hearts of the majority, by building trust.

it's better to make friends rather to make foes.

anyway, by praising someone's good deed will make that person to keep up and continue his good job.

Yeah, but stealing from the thieves isn't really stealing. example: I'm tired of paying 16-20 bucks for a CD that cost a tiny fraction of that to produce and put out - by record companies that band together to set prices and screw people over. Fuck 'em, I'm getting my money back.

for that what you say, it is the corporate business fault. it's them who wants to make more money so they can retired at the age of 50. they don't give a F on the music and the Art. to them, as long it makes money. That's it.

Posted: 3/28/03 02:38 AM

your arguement is sound. but there are other things to keep in mind.

for instance, for those who are against the war and choose to exercise their right to assemble, behold.

in just about every single major city in the US has had numerous anti-war protests. and in every city the entire police force in that city will be on duty for crowd control. that on top of their already stenuous duty of patrolling and protecting their city from terrorist attack. millions of dollars are being spent on police overtime alone. that comes straight out of the taxpayers dollars. and we all pay taxes. not only will assembling directly effect our pockets but also our security.

i agree that not all anti-war advocates are anti- American. i am anti-war as well. but with US interests in mind i think twice before i join in any kind of rally. i'm not about to compromise our security or my paycheck to protest a war already underway.

looks like doing the wrong stuff will lead to retribution. :+) so ppl should stop and think before doing anything. Do something that is constructive to the public. this at least give the public some respect of you for your righteous cause.

it's their EXTREME ISLAMIC corrupted mullahs who spread the wrong idea to the public a few hundreds years ago. and that idea is to hate foreigners in taking or invading their lands and spreading their religion around. and this trend of hating Israel or jews and later on are Americans has gone for decades.

this thing can be stopping if bush overthrow the Saudi extreme islamic regime where a Christian who spread his faith there will be executed or stone to death. goodness.

and that also means if Americans really have the strength or money to overthrow Saudi corrupted regime in which there is little or no human rights which is exactly the same as the Talibans.

Do US has the ambition to overthrown Iran's corrupted regime too? Iran is simply no respect for the Americans.

they sold carpets with American flag or Bush's head on it and some of them even have vulgars on them. i come across one of the issues of Iran in Time magazine.

will US leave Afghanistan and stop assisting them since there's no more American interest left, terrorism regime is gone except for Mullah Omar?

Any opinions?

AP - Sat Mar 29, 9:02 PM ET
Cambodian police raided a notorious brothel district Saturday and rescued at least 36 Vietnamese girls — some younger than 10 years old — who were forced into prostitution.

this is what the recent news report. i guess everyone including male or female should totally against this sort of unenthical business.

anyway, religion shouldn't be mixed with politics. it's like oil mixed with water. it just won't dissolve. My advice:- don't become an Islamic pious extremists.
however, religion should determine or change a person's character and his personality and his motives.

Posted: 3/29/03 08:22 PM

At 3/28/03 07:48 PM, Mr_Y wrote: I just want to add to that... to answer mysecondstar's question. I understand it, even though I'm not part of the crew. Obviously, the money sign is a symbol of greed (dark and evil), and the peace sign is a symbol of the opposite, well, not exactly the opposite, you can be a peaceful and greedy country, but peace is a symbol of light and good. Yeah, the members of the politics crew use it for intelligence posts, mostly in this forum.

Money is just an object. it cannot stand on either the pure or the evil sides. but human can do it.

Greed isn't bad. it is just netural personality.
Greed can spurt a person to work harder and produce better and more results.

and it's the human actions that reveal whether his action is good or evil. whether his action is enthical and constructive. or evil and destructive.

and this ppl should be stop immediately with quick and constructive methods. before it ruins everyone.

Yah, but it's kind of no respect to ppl that helps you to build a safe, healthy, enthical and efficient environment for you to live with.

i don't think lyrics or freedom of speech should not only deal with sarcastism and insults.

how about thinking of ideas or speech that provokes ppl to think more into another issue or another level?

or how about praising someone who deserve to be respected?

gee... that kind of reply is what i called detailed, unbiased debating and judgement.
Good.

i think individual ppl like us should retrieve information and knowledge from reliable and unbiased source and not totally depended on gov't and media for our knowledge.

that kind of retrieving information is plain spoonfeeding. and it's kind of dumb.

i guess i can say everyone hates drugs and not forgetting the blood-sucking drug pusher who earns money from these unenthical business who feed on the ignorant ppl's addiction.

but how about sex exploitation? Organised pimps kidnaps gals from third world countries to help them spin money from those sex crazed developed countries like Japan, US and Western Europe.

i hates guys who harms helpless and innocent lady and just want them for sex.

assassinating a president will just lead the country to disunity? and worst of all it's unethical too.

and everyone should remember the lesson we learn from the World War 1.

totally agree with Kazuo.

because of too many rudeness from many angry peace protestors. i come to realisation. is it ok to scold vulgar like FUCK U, BUSH? this kind of vulgar to some authority which 50% of US citizens voted in favour of him? even though in the end, he's anointed by the selected few.

in Eminem records, the Eminem Show. White America. he scolds an anthority. "FUCK you Ms Cheney! Fuck you Tippee Gore! FUCK you with the freest of speech this divided states of embarassment will allow me to have, Fuck You"

i guess this kind of song is simply too much to take. it's kind of treason. it's should be banned.

using vulgar to scold an anthority in public, or poke fun of him or her. it's simply rude and the person should be in jail.

Clean gov't deserve some respect.

you can disapprove what he or she is doing but showing your reasons which is appropriate and not out of point.

but not insulting or make fun of him or her.

but do you think using SEX, VIOLENCE, FANTASY and DRUGS indulgation from the public to make money, is it enthical or not.

to me, what they do is like killing the ART and Music industries. and they are doing no effort in doing something constructive but just being manipulative.

Note:- the Art, i mean here is movies, not paintings. And i also dislike movies that only display gore and violence without any constructive theme in it. like the DAWN of the living DEAD and The DAY OF THE LIVING DEAD. however, ppl may like it because it feed their hatred in their heart.

don't u think that because of the ignorance and the stubborness from the people. it leads to the world lots of disorder.

example of ignorance:- some of the "peace" protestors in the West are doing protesting that is simply superficial and worst of all stupid.

example of stubborness:- because of refusing to take another media's perspective like the CNN and the FOX news, those Arab people are far more being conned by their own media. setting up furious and violent protesting. thus, leading to even building even thick walls between US and the Arab nation.

thanks for that reply. but how's about recognise the secret societies as the biggest threat in all around the world especially where in countries where the police is inefficient like China?

Beside, war, corrupt leaders; ex:- Saddam in politics controlling the country and insurgency armies in the Phillipines and all around the world. what can be the biggest threat to the society?

how about secret societies?
secret societies in Central America, Entire Europe and South America are spinning billions of money out of drugs and human trafficking and not forgetting pornogaphy or worst child porno.

they are the sickest ppl in this world. spinning money out of unenthical business like drug, human, weapons and pirated CDS and DVDs trafficking and also not forgetting making money out of helpless prositiutes which they kidnapped in those poor Eastern Europe and Indo-china.

Note:- i once read an Article in Time magazine 2 years ago. about a Chinese illegal immigrant coming to US. and it cost him US $20000. just one only, it costs US $20000. how about a truckload of illegal immigrants?

some of the brillant secret societies even make money from counterfeit money.

next, they even invade into "legalised" business. like setting pubs, cigarette, alcholic factory and setting casino and "betting online" business to help them spinning more money out of people addiction of all of these.

some of those powerful secret societies in HongKong and Japan even make money by setting up records company, making money from curvaceous female singers who does not have powerful voices. but all they have to do is wear less and making sexy antics, quotes and dance attracting male customers to buy their records.

in Taiwan, some powerful secret societies even invade into politics. rig election. making money as a mayor who make more relaxed laws which helps them to set up more casino and brothels.

this caused a lot of trouble to the clean gov't who cannot do much to these suspected gangsters who tarnished their countries' reputation and making the society not safe to live.

how to against all these gangsters from making money out of those unethical business which just feed on human deadliest temptation and indulgation or addiction.

to me, my ans is gov't showing no mercy on them. arrested them without any arrest warrant. like now, what's happening in Thailand where the police arrest those drug pusher and kills them once they retaliate.

strict laws like Singapore. kidnapping, and heavy drug trafficking; more than 200 grams leads to death sentences. raping means caning. no casino and strict laws to those pubs owners.

lastly, ppl should give up their addiction and wake up. don't feed them with money anymore.

how's everyone's comments?

i don't think any Iraqi like their president.

it is their president who set up secret police force that liquidifying his "opponents" brutally. and not forgetting innocent ppl are also being killed. one of my friends told me as he read his weekly newsweek.

add to that, the Saddam even forced his citizens to fight wars that they don't want. example:- the eight long years with Iran 1980-1988 and the more than six months war with Kuwait and US.

in fact, the Iraqi citizens just want to fight US is because they invade their country and hurting the innocent ppl.

As for democracy as their ruling system, i think it's good. it's democracy that truly respect the human rights and the minority.

No big offence here.

you mean evolution. nonsense. human are created.

I guess that statement i wrote is a bit off topic.

but still the entire thread is still referring to that very statement i 'm debating with.

anyway, from what you say just now. by saying your faith is weak. i think you simply can't judge a person's faith totally by merely his statement but by his actions and his motive.

then you should put words like "just kidding or joking" at the end of the thread.

cuz i thought this is a political forum. and politics is serious and dark.