At 8/11/02 10:54 PM, TomFulp wrote: I won't name any names (mainly because I don't care to promote their site - so please don't respond with any URL guesses), but there is a new site that has been built with the same format to Newgrounds - an automated system where users submit and vote on Flash games and movies, yada yada yada, etc. etc. etc...

There have been numerous sites like this in the past, and we have always been very welcoming... But I have issues with this site, for several reasons.

First off, they purposely avoid any mention of Newgrounds on their site. They try pretty hard to keep it off there, and never mention it as an inspiration. This didn't bother me too much, it is expected.

HOWEVER... When you submit something to NG, there is a good chance you will get a form letter from them asking you to submit it to their site... But the best part is they are telling people that we don't want our logo appearing on other sites - so in order to not piss US off, they should remove the NG logos from their flash submissions.

WE LOVE IT WHEN YOU PUT THE NG LOGO IN YOUR GAMES AND MOVIES. You are more than welcome to put our logo anywhere you want on the web. They tell people this because they don't want the NG LOGO appearing on THEIR SITE. They are the ones with a problem, not us (this is really what pissed me off). There is an off-chance they were worried about legal issues, but whatever - I think they don't want their users knowing NG exists.

Usually, sites like these are created by Flash fanatics - people like myself who make their own Flash. As far as I can tell, the people who run this site don't make any of their own Flash, and are purely running it as a business scheme.

I'm a nice guy - I'm not trying to start any fights. I just want to say - if you like NG, and want to show your love, we would love to see a NEWGROUNDS TANK LOGO in your Flash creations! We don't have issue with our name & logo appearing on other sites! Thank you!

man those other wannabee sites tryin to copy ng..which is all fine and good except if they demote your site then it just sucks that there are idiots like them