Edits to post #25295868 by Zachary
Edited at 2014-11-14 14:46:15
At 11/14/14 02:36 PM, Evark wrote: Ok, let's consider this scenario:
- Would there be a problem if he was wearing a shirt with scantily clad men on it? (yes)
(you have no evidence to back this up and are just assuming)
- Why did nobody suggest it wasn't a good idea that he wear a shirt like that while working in an official capacity for such an important mission/organization?
Right, and nobody did. So clearly it was not an issue until a glorified hipster blogger (see: the verge) wrote an article about his shirt.
The answer is that there is a double-standard that is entrenched in our culture that provides for women and their visage as merely clothing to be worn. That nobody is thinking about the message it sends when a male-dominated field (engineering and science), so dominated because of those double-standards, feels comfortable putting out a spokesman wearing a shirt that completely alienates an entire group of people. I mean... do you see women wearing shirts of scantily-clad women? No.
Do you honestly think that a shirt would scare women out of a field? If someone loves science, someone wearing a shirt will not let them ruin it.
It's unfortunate that the guy has gone through so much anguish when he seems so genuinely remorseful. Most of that is from a lack of clarity in the way the conversation has been brought up (illustrated by all of you having ire towards 'feminism' for having suggested this needs to be talked about), but the point still remains: that shirt and the wearing thereof in an official capacity when broadcast to the world is a problem that should be addressed.
Really? Have you used the internet for the past few months at all? This is a common trend with third-wave feminists attacking people instead of actually helping women. I think you need to brush up on what you are talking about. There is a reason people have a sour taste in their mouth when the word feminism comes up, and it is not because they do not think women should be equal to men. It is because of some extreme feminists using the word to beat down/hate on men.
At 11/14/14 02:36 PM, Evark wrote: Ok, let's consider this scenario:
- Would there be a problem if he was wearing a shirt with scantily clad men on it? (yes)
(you have no evidence to back this up and are just assuming)
- Why did nobody suggest it wasn't a good idea that he wear a shirt like that while working in an official capacity for such an important mission/organization?
Right, and nobody did. So clearly it was not an issue until a glorified hipster blogger (see: the verge) wrote an article about his shirt.
The answer is that there is a double-standard that is entrenched in our culture that provides for women and their visage as merely clothing to be worn. That nobody is thinking about the message it sends when a male-dominated field (engineering and science), so dominated because of those double-standards, feels comfortable putting out a spokesman wearing a shirt that completely alienates an entire group of people. I mean... do you see women wearing shirts of scantily-clad women? No.
Do you honestly think that a shirt would scare women out of a field? If someone loves science, someone wearing a shirt will not let them ruin it.
It's unfortunate that the guy has gone through so much anguish when he seems so genuinely remorseful. Most of that is from a lack of clarity in the way the conversation has been brought up (illustrated by all of you having ire towards 'feminism' for having suggested this needs to be talked about), but the point still remains: that shirt and the wearing thereof in an official capacity when broadcast to the world is a problem that should be addressed.
Really? Have you used the internet for the past few months at all? This is a common trend with third-wave feminists attacking people instead of actually helping women. I think you need to brush up on what you are talking about. There is a reason people have a sour taste in their mouth when the word feminism comes up, and it is not because they do not think women should be equal to men. It is because of some extreme feminists using the word to beat down/hate on men.
edit: Also, the shirt might be inappropriate, sure I can agree with that, but it certainly is not sexist in any capacity.
