Edits to post #25276271 by SentForMe
Edited at 2014-10-28 01:10:55
At 10/28/14 12:06 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Clerical note: your link that says it is a list of countries by net migration is rather a list of countries by Gross Domestic Product.
I would definitely clarify the whole freedom of movement and migration thing. They are not the same Freedom of movement doesn't necessairly mean that people move in and out of the country. That doesn't really correlate to wealth. I would actually render a hypothesis that movement within a country is a better sign of wealth. It means that there are jobs and, most importantly the people have the resources to uproot from their community, family, and support structure.
Thanks for pointing that out. Here's the link I meant to post under list of countries by net migration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
As for Freedom of Movement in the EU, it explains it all at that link. Other nations of course define it differently. The EU is a special case, as a political and economic union, and these policies reflect that. In some ways the EU acts like a sort of super state, as you can see in its expansive definitions of Freedom of movement for citizens of its member states. As for non EU states, they have a whole different set of guidelines they have to follow for immigrating to the EU.
This likely accounts for the high levels of non-EU to EU immigration for countries that border non-EU nations, like Greece. They are a sort of gateway for migrants that want to get into the EU in order to get into the EU system. Once a potential migrant from a non-EU country gets some sort of citizenship or residency status within the EU they then become part of the system and fall under the Freedom of Movement clause listed at that link.
So yes, migration and freedom of movement are not the same. Freedom of movement also has different definitions depending on which country we're talking about and Freedom of movement in the EU is really different from say a country like Japan. Some countries don't even have any codified laws concerning freedom of movement, even within their own borders. I suspect North Korea is such a nation. There are also millions of other confounding factors that make a true apples to apples comparison impossible.
Still migration is or is becoming a very important political issue in many nations. People on both sides of the issue use these sorts of statistics to back up their own side, so its worth considering even if coming up with a good answer is extremely difficult.
At 10/28/14 12:06 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Clerical note: your link that says it is a list of countries by net migration is rather a list of countries by Gross Domestic Product.
I would definitely clarify the whole freedom of movement and migration thing. They are not the same Freedom of movement doesn't necessairly mean that people move in and out of the country. That doesn't really correlate to wealth. I would actually render a hypothesis that movement within a country is a better sign of wealth. It means that there are jobs and, most importantly the people have the resources to uproot from their community, family, and support structure.
Thanks for pointing that out. Here's the link I meant to post under list of countries by net migration: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_net_migration_rate
As for Freedom of Movement in the EU, it explains it all at that link. Other nations of course define it differently. The EU is a special case, as a political and economic union, and these policies reflect that. In some ways the EU acts like a sort of super state, as you can see in its expansive definitions of Freedom of movement for citizens of its member states. As for non EU states, they have a whole different set of guidelines they have to follow for immigrating to the EU.
This likely accounts for the high levels of non-EU to EU immigration for countries that border non-EU nations, like Greece. The same can be said of EU nations with sea borders, like Spain and Italy. They are a sort of gateway for migrants that want to get into the EU in order to get into the EU system. Once a potential migrant from a non-EU country gets some sort of citizenship or residency status within the EU they then become part of the system and fall under the Freedom of Movement clause listed at that link. Of course, they are also plenty of migrants that enter in this manner and do not retain legal residency, which is a no less serious matter.
So yes, migration and freedom of movement are not the same. Freedom of movement also has different definitions depending on which country we're talking about and Freedom of movement in the EU is really different from say a country like Japan. Some countries don't even have any codified laws concerning freedom of movement, even within their own borders. I suspect North Korea is such a nation. There are also millions of other confounding factors that make a true apples to apples comparison impossible.
Still migration is or is becoming a very important political issue in many nations. People on both sides of the issue use these sorts of statistics to back up their own side, so its worth considering even if coming up with a good answer is extremely difficult.
