Edits to post #25265151 by RaptorJesus

Edited at 2014-10-16 00:23:56

At 10/15/14 11:19 PM, coderchick94 wrote:
At 10/15/14 10:52 PM, RaptorJesus wrote: Ok, I had words here but I really gotta start here. I forgot liberals like this one can't read what I said about what Redskins actually means and just wants to jump on the bandwagon of misinformation. This you below:
OOoookk, so that's like what 1 name out of how many? I'm not saying any in particular i'm just saying in general. It's not like Redskins is the only word that's a team name. Even if that's not offensive others might be.. or their mascots or something.

You seriously can't be this dense to think I only meant 1 thing when there are other examples like OP posted above.

And I can give less than 2 fricks about whether YOU don't find it offensive or some people you spoke to don't find it offensive, the point is that since a good majority of that group finds it offensive (or at least enough) mabybe something should be done about it, if the so called problem upsets people too much.

I mainly just posted because even if the viewpoint isn't agreed with, there is no excuse for someone being so ill-informed that they can't possibly think of a reason why it may be offensive. That's just idiotic.

You don't have to agree with it, but you should at least understand it...

Valid points, I don't think I was trying to say they are 100% solid for keeping it just that ones against it are in the minority opinion previously a couple times I think.

But, let me spit this real quick, (sorry no gif, I will try though to express myself more that way)

Hear me out, why can't we keep the Redskins name but change it to the original way it was said in the native language it came from?

In all honesty I think changing it at all is stupid, but at least I could live with it if they did that I guess..
Seems like a reasonable (though totally unnecessary and pandering to a minority) compromise since that's where it came from, how it was originally used to describe themselves between one another before white man even set foot here and now in modern days tries to attach a racist meaning to it that it never had.

I think maybe originally in 1937 they thought they did us a favor by translating it to English (for use of the team name, remember the word comes from before Whites even existed here in America) but now that more young natives are not educated by their elders what it meant, or what it should mean and whites/non-natives don't know any better and automatically try to attach a racist meaning to it.

I'll even say that I thought it was racist before elder natives explained it to me what it meant and the history behind the word. That's how the question first came up when I was a kid, then 5 minutes later their elders told me the story and that was the end of it until now years later.

In this day and age it might be better if it's a word from a native language so people don't get confused, or so liberals don't go on a campaign to misinform and change it to something stupid.

Wikipedia even has citations on where this stuff I've been saying comes from (the cites are from somewhat liberal sources but take it for what you will, this is what real natives have said all along to me anyways):

A study by Ives Goddard of the Smithsonian Institution found "the actual origin of the word is entirely benign and reflects more positive aspects of relations between Indians and whites."
http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_team_s_name_incorrectly.html

At 10/15/14 11:19 PM, coderchick94 wrote:
At 10/15/14 10:52 PM, RaptorJesus wrote: Ok, I had words here but I really gotta start here. I forgot liberals like this one can't read what I said about what Redskins actually means and just wants to jump on the bandwagon of misinformation. This you below:
OOoookk, so that's like what 1 name out of how many? I'm not saying any in particular i'm just saying in general. It's not like Redskins is the only word that's a team name. Even if that's not offensive others might be.. or their mascots or something.

You seriously can't be this dense to think I only meant 1 thing when there are other examples like OP posted above.

And I can give less than 2 fricks about whether YOU don't find it offensive or some people you spoke to don't find it offensive, the point is that since a good majority of that group finds it offensive (or at least enough) mabybe something should be done about it, if the so called problem upsets people too much.

I mainly just posted because even if the viewpoint isn't agreed with, there is no excuse for someone being so ill-informed that they can't possibly think of a reason why it may be offensive. That's just idiotic.

You don't have to agree with it, but you should at least understand it...

Valid points, I don't think I was trying to say they are 100% solid for keeping it just that ones against it are in the minority opinion previously a couple times I think.

But, let me spit this real quick, (sorry no gif, I will try though to express myself more that way)

Hear me out, why can't we keep the Redskins name but change it to the original way it was said in the native language it came from?

In all honesty I think changing it at all is stupid, but at least I could live with it if they did that I guess..
Seems like a reasonable (though totally unnecessary and pandering to a minority) compromise since that's where it came from, how it was originally used to describe themselves between one another before white man even set foot here and now in modern days tries to attach a racist meaning to it that it never had.

I think maybe originally in 1937 they thought they did us a favor by translating it to English (for use of the team name, remember the word comes from before Whites even existed here in America) but now that more young natives are not educated by their elders what it meant, or what it should mean and whites/non-natives don't know any better and automatically try to attach a racist meaning to it.

I'll even say that I thought it was racist before elder natives explained it to me what it meant and the history behind the word. That's how the question first came up when I was a kid, then 5 minutes later their elders told me the story and that was the end of it until now years later.

In this day and age it might be better if it's a word from a native language so people don't get confused, or so liberals don't go on a campaign to misinform and change it to something stupid.

Wikipedia even has citations on where this stuff I've been saying comes from (the cites are from somewhat liberal sources but take it for what you will, this is what real natives have said all along to me anyways, slate being a REALLY liberal source, but a broken clock is right twice a day I guess):

A study by Ives Goddard of the Smithsonian Institution found "the actual origin of the word is entirely benign and reflects more positive aspects of relations between Indians and whites."
http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf
http://www.slate.com/blogs/lexicon_valley/2013/12/18/redskins_the_debate_over_the_washington_football_team_s_name_incorrectly.html

Edited at 2014-10-16 00:22:54

At 10/15/14 11:19 PM, coderchick94 wrote:
At 10/15/14 10:52 PM, RaptorJesus wrote: Ok, I had words here but I really gotta start here. I forgot liberals like this one can't read what I said about what Redskins actually means and just wants to jump on the bandwagon of misinformation. This you below:
OOoookk, so that's like what 1 name out of how many? I'm not saying any in particular i'm just saying in general. It's not like Redskins is the only word that's a team name. Even if that's not offensive others might be.. or their mascots or something.

You seriously can't be this dense to think I only meant 1 thing when there are other examples like OP posted above.

And I can give less than 2 fricks about whether YOU don't find it offensive or some people you spoke to don't find it offensive, the point is that since a good majority of that group finds it offensive (or at least enough) mabybe something should be done about it, if the so called problem upsets people too much.

I mainly just posted because even if the viewpoint isn't agreed with, there is no excuse for someone being so ill-informed that they can't possibly think of a reason why it may be offensive. That's just idiotic.

You don't have to agree with it, but you should at least understand it...

Valid points, I don't think I was trying to say they are 100% solid for keeping it just that ones against it are in the minority opinion previously a couple times I think.

But, let me spit this real quick, (sorry no gif, I will try though to express myself more that way)

Hear me out, why can't we keep the Redskins name but change it to the original way it was said in the native language it came from?

In all honesty I think changing it at all is stupid, but at least I could live with it if they did that I guess..
Seems like a reasonable (though totally unnecessary and pandering to a minority) compromise since that's where it came from, how it was originally used to describe themselves between one another before white man even set foot here and now in modern days tries to attach a racist meaning to it that it never had.

I think maybe originally in 1937 they thought they did us a favor by translating it to English (for use of the team name, remember the word comes from before Whites even existed here in America) but now that more young natives are not educated by their elders what it meant, or what it should mean and whites/non-natives don't know any better and automatically try to attach a racist meaning to it.

I'll even say that I thought it was racist before elder natives explained it to me what it meant and the history behind the word. That's how the question first came up when I was a kid, then 5 minutes later their elders told me the story and that was the end of it until now years later.

If they DO somehow get it changed, changing it to Redskins but translate to one of the native languages it came from (was used by multiple tribes to describe natives with red skin or red pigments they used)