Edits to post #25263483 by Profanity
Edited at 2014-10-13 23:42:42
Ugh. No.
At 10/13/14 11:00 PM, Freaki-boy92 wrote: except he didn't, many many people reached america before him
The UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that Scandinavians had a long history of trade and travel throughout the Americas doesn't count as The Two Halves of the World Finally Acknowledge the Existence of Each Other. That's why the Columbus Voyages were significant. It doesn't matter that tribes told tales of white men or whatever. It doesn't matter that Scandinavians told tales of a vast North. There wasn't a sudden massive shift in international trade which resulted from anything prior to 1492.
a viking named leif eriksson reached america 400 years before
And he did absolutely nothing with the knowledge of the tiny slivers of land discovered beyond the vast cold North.
famously, amerigo vespucci reached america before columbus
Mainland America, you mean. Columbus was still the first successful European to voyage across the Atlantic.
less famously (unfortunately) there was a welshman named john americk who also reached america before columbus- little known fact, america was not named after vespucci, as conventions of the time dictated that if a nation was named after you, it'd be your surname- obviously it's america and not vespuccia. your country is not named after an italian, it's named after a welshman.
Ugh, no. This entire paragraph is wrong. The main points of contention in understanding the origin of the name America yields the roots as being either one of two mapmakers, Amerigo Vespucci or John of Americk (a town in Wales), or a native Central American word meaning "Golden Hills" which roughly equates to 'americ'.
so all that we can attribute to columbus was starting the long-standing american tradition of taking credit for someone else's work...
Or the modern American tradition of pretending to be intellectual in order to rewrite history as an apologist? "Sorry, Your Futureship! We'll reach Japan and bring you a gold history asap!"
oh and also genocide, can't forget the genocide.
And the interbreeding which saved the gene pools which are often said to have been eradicated. Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts (an Algonquin word for the people living by the large hill of Boston), is part native. Many Americans who pass as "white" in society are actually a half, quarter, sixteenth, thirty-second, sixty-forth Native.
And the reparative land laws, which have made many tribes into the wealthiest casino owners and land rights holders in their respective states, while still enabling them to live within the protective limits of the United States.
so yeah, there is literally no reason to celebrate columbus.
Except, ya know, to give people 24 hours each year to sit down and learn about the origins and complexities of their country.
Ugh. No.
At 10/13/14 11:00 PM, Freaki-boy92 wrote: except he didn't, many many people reached america before him
The UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that Scandinavians had a long history of trade and travel throughout the Americas doesn't count as The Two Halves of the World Finally Acknowledge the Existence of Each Other. That's why the Columbus Voyages were significant. It doesn't matter that tribes told tales of white men or whatever. It doesn't matter that Scandinavians told tales of a vast North. There wasn't a sudden massive shift in international trade which resulted from anything prior to 1492.
a viking named leif eriksson reached america 400 years before
And he did absolutely nothing with the knowledge of the tiny slivers of land discovered beyond the vast cold North.
famously, amerigo vespucci reached america before columbus
Mainland America, you mean. Columbus was still the first successful European to voyage across the Atlantic.
less famously (unfortunately) there was a welshman named john americk who also reached america before columbus- little known fact, america was not named after vespucci, as conventions of the time dictated that if a nation was named after you, it'd be your surname- obviously it's america and not vespuccia. your country is not named after an italian, it's named after a welshman.
Ugh, no. This entire paragraph is wrong. The main points of contention in understanding the origin of the name America yields the roots as being either one of two mapmakers, Amerigo Vespucci or John of Americk (a town in Wales), or a native Central American word meaning "Golden Hills" which roughly equates to 'americ'.
edit: Amerrique Theory
TLDR: Name comes from the Mayans, Mapmakers Amerigo Vespucci and John of Americk become fascinated with the discovery because it seems providential that the new world would share their names. Nominative determinants yadda yadda.
so all that we can attribute to columbus was starting the long-standing american tradition of taking credit for someone else's work...
Or the modern American tradition of pretending to be intellectual in order to rewrite history as an apologist? "Sorry, Your Futureship! We'll reach Japan and bring you a gold history asap!"
oh and also genocide, can't forget the genocide.
And the interbreeding which saved the gene pools which are often said to have been eradicated. Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts (an Algonquin word for the people living by the large hill of Boston), is part native. Many Americans who pass as "white" in society are actually a half, quarter, sixteenth, thirty-second, sixty-forth Native.
And the reparative land laws, which have made many tribes into the wealthiest casino owners and land rights holders in their respective states, while still enabling them to live within the protective limits of the United States.
so yeah, there is literally no reason to celebrate columbus.
Except, ya know, to give people 24 hours each year to sit down and learn about the origins and complexities of their country.
Edited at 2014-10-13 23:29:37
Ugh. No.
At 10/13/14 11:00 PM, Freaki-boy92 wrote: except he didn't, many many people reached america before him
The UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that Scandinavians had a long history of trade and travel throughout the Americas doesn't count as The Two Halves of the World Finally Acknowledge the Existence of Each Other. That's why the Columbus Voyages were significant. It doesn't matter that tribes told tales of white men or whatever. It doesn't matter that Scandinavians told tales of a vast North. There wasn't a sudden massive shift in international trade which resulted from anything prior to 1492.
a viking named leif eriksson reached america 400 years before
And he did absolutely nothing with the knowledge of the tiny slivers of land discovered beyond the vast cold North.
famously, amerigo vespucci reached america before columbus
Mainland America, you mean. Columbus was still the first successful European voyage across the Atlantic.
less famously (unfortunately) there was a welshman named john americk who also reached america before columbus- little known fact, america was not named after vespucci, as conventions of the time dictated that if a nation was named after you, it'd be your surname- obviously it's america and not vespuccia. your country is not named after an italian, it's named after a welshman.
Ugh, no. This entire paragraph is wrong. The main points of contention in understanding the origin of the name America yields the roots as being either one of two mapmakers, Amerigo Vespucci or John of Americk (a town in Wales), or a native Central American word meaning "Golden Hills" which roughly equates to 'americ'.
so all that we can attribute to columbus was starting the long-standing american tradition of taking credit for someone else's work...
Or the modern American tradition of pretending to be intellectual in order to rewrite history as an apologist? "Sorry, Your Futureship! We'll reach Japan and bring you a gold history asap!"
oh and also genocide, can't forget the genocide.
And the interbreeding which saved the gene pools which are often said to have been eradicated. Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts (an Algonquin word for the people living by the large hill of Boston), is part native. Many Americans who pass as "white" in society are actually a half, quarter, sixteenth, thirty-second, sixty-forth Native.
And the reparative land laws, which have made many tribes into the wealthiest casino owners and land rights holders in their respective states, while still enabling them to live within the protective limits of the United States.
so yeah, there is literally no reason to celebrate columbus.
Except, ya know, to give people 24 hours each year to sit down and learn about the origins and complexities of their country.
Ugh. No.
At 10/13/14 11:00 PM, Freaki-boy92 wrote: except he didn't, many many people reached america before him
The UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMORS that Scandinavians had a long history of trade and travel throughout the Americas doesn't count as The Two Halves of the World Finally Acknowledge the Existence of Each Other. That's why the Columbus Voyages were significant. It doesn't matter that tribes told tales of white men or whatever. It doesn't matter that Scandinavians told tales of a vast North. There wasn't a sudden massive shift in international trade which resulted from anything prior to 1492.
a viking named leif eriksson reached america 400 years before
And he did absolutely nothing with the knowledge of the tiny slivers of land discovered beyond the vast cold North.
famously, amerigo vespucci reached america before columbus
Mainland America, you mean. Columbus was still the first successful European to voyage across the Atlantic.
less famously (unfortunately) there was a welshman named john americk who also reached america before columbus- little known fact, america was not named after vespucci, as conventions of the time dictated that if a nation was named after you, it'd be your surname- obviously it's america and not vespuccia. your country is not named after an italian, it's named after a welshman.
Ugh, no. This entire paragraph is wrong. The main points of contention in understanding the origin of the name America yields the roots as being either one of two mapmakers, Amerigo Vespucci or John of Americk (a town in Wales), or a native Central American word meaning "Golden Hills" which roughly equates to 'americ'.
so all that we can attribute to columbus was starting the long-standing american tradition of taking credit for someone else's work...
Or the modern American tradition of pretending to be intellectual in order to rewrite history as an apologist? "Sorry, Your Futureship! We'll reach Japan and bring you a gold history asap!"
oh and also genocide, can't forget the genocide.
And the interbreeding which saved the gene pools which are often said to have been eradicated. Elizabeth Warren, senator from Massachusetts (an Algonquin word for the people living by the large hill of Boston), is part native. Many Americans who pass as "white" in society are actually a half, quarter, sixteenth, thirty-second, sixty-forth Native.
And the reparative land laws, which have made many tribes into the wealthiest casino owners and land rights holders in their respective states, while still enabling them to live within the protective limits of the United States.
so yeah, there is literally no reason to celebrate columbus.
Except, ya know, to give people 24 hours each year to sit down and learn about the origins and complexities of their country.
