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Made in around 8 hours for the NGADM round 2! i was trying to not go orchestral this time. guess it diddnt work as i planned! haha. so i eneded up with a orchestral trance hybrid, picturing climbing tall ice mountains to reach a goal.




Rated 3.5 / 5 stars

This sounded more like a dance song to me, but with orchestral elements throw into the mix for good effect.
I supposed it could be used in a video game though.

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Rated 4 / 5 stars

This is an NGADM Round 2 Review.


You've got an awesome habit of making these really long and good songs with a tonne of energy in them. And 8 hours? Damn, something like this'd take me at least 20!

What I liked in this track would be that you've actually got some really good ideas here, both melodic and structural. You communicate them very very well with the fantastically skilful production one can expect from you as well, and the cool sounds you've used are just icing to the cake. You've just developed your own unique style so much that I seriously think one of the genres in the genre listings should be 'Waterflame'. I can't really throw this into any genre (except maybe Video Game) because you throw in many different elements, and best of all, these actually fit with each other.

Never have I heard orchestral elements fitting so well with such clear trance-like elements. Your orchestral sounds weren't out of this world in terms of realism but you've got good enough mixing for me to let that slide. The strings sounded great (although perhaps a bit too heavy in the lower mids which sounds quite clear at parts like 2:42) and I like your use of orchestral cymbals in particular. You used them like crazy but they didn't get annoying. Your flute could've sounded better if it was a bit brighter and breathier, though. By the way, I love your breakbeat.

That said, this song has some issues scattering about that really lower your score. For starters, despite being original and going for a trance/orchestral hybrid like this (which I admit you did very well) you've got some compositional ideas that are very unoriginal. I'm saying this mainly because you use an incredibly overused chord progression which makes all of the trance melodies you have sound cheesy and like I've heard them before.

On top of that... this sounds kinda rushed. I'm not saying that because you said it only took eight hours but I honestly think it sounds rushed. The mix here just doesn't seem as polished as it was in your Round 1 submission. I mean it's still better than average, but in a lot of parts it sounds pretty unclear (especially when the orchestral samples are playing). The woodwind especially is underpowered and drowned out. Also, the ending is very abrupt and unfitting. It was a good approach but executed poorly.

Overall, this is a very energetic and enjoyable track. It feels pretty rushed and not as polished and intricate as your Round 1 submission but nevertheless it's a considerably badass piece of work!



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Waterflame responds:

Thank you for all the kind words and the constructive criticim! this really helps me get a prespective over the song, and i see the errors bright as day. i feel im learning so fast this year :D and ill definatly take this advice seriously. thank you for the great review!


Rated 5 / 5 stars

Waterflame you continue to amaze me. well done, I love the beat.

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Waterflame responds:

Thank you!


Rated 3.5 / 5 stars

Here is your personal review for round 2 of the NGADM! Keep in mind, this review will be harsher than the round 1 review! I will be poking at songs more in each consecutive round, because it will naturally be more difficult to advance.

The Good:
-This is a nice blend of trance and orchestral, it works overall.
-For what I believe is the first time I've heard from you, you actually went back to the initial theme at the end. This is a good thing!
-More melodic development in this song! Good.
-Mixing's good.

The Not-So-Good:
-First of all, there's not really anything 'new' in this track. Yeah, it's a trance/orchestral hybrid, and that's cool, it's not something done all the time. ...only thing is - you do it all the time and the way this was done wasn't overly original in concept, and especially not in execution.
-The middle section kind of falls apart in feel. It has a good change from the cheesy chord progression of the first section. Unfortunately, it's also a fairly repetitive section. I noticed that it's essentially repeating the same 8-measure chunk, adding something else each time. Most people would call this not-repetitive because it changes slightly each time. However, I think it would have been much better if you added multiple things at once or took out something as well, rather than just adding a ride cymbal and slightly changing the tune - this sounds like it was done to simply lengthen the piece rather than really add anything that made the piece better.
-The transition at 3:13 is a little bit awkward. Even with the slight change in chords immediately beforehand, the transition is a bit too quick. It would have been better if you just changed one thing - made the chords flow into the next section rather than going back to what they would have been... except not actually doing that.
-Ending sounded extremely rushed - the only warning was my glance at the length of the piece and how long it had been playing. A bit more buildup would have been much appreciated.

Overall: This is a well-mixed, bouncy, fairly generic "Waterflame" track. You didn't really branch out to too much, and to tell the truth, a lot of it sounded rushed - though the ending shows it the most clearly. You may want to consider spending a bit more time on transitions and particularly the repetition of your music - remember, having the same 8 measures repeat 5 times in a row is *not* a good thing. I will give this a 7/10 - I think your round 1 song was slightly better if only due to the more interesting distractions from the holes in composition.

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Waterflame responds:

Thank you for the well written review! this helps me so much! and i totally see what you mean. having no school experience of music at all, i have to learn everything myself. and i feel like im fumbling in the dark at times. this is exactly the pointers i need, and ill take your advice seriously!


Rated 5 / 5 stars

Dear Newgrounds,

The max amount of stars you can give is 5, please fix this.

Thank you.

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